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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -5| This is stupid, kayos90 sucks!

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mAcOdIn

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The reason they cheaped out on Penguindrum is probably because it wont sell to begin with.
How do you market it?

Really though how do you market most anime?

Especially with Sentai with such great releases such as "This Boy Can Fight Aliens?" Sentai just grabs what they can. Bless them for Vampire Princess Miyu (TV) and the Patlabor OVAs though.
 

Mature

Member
Not quite.
The Croisee set for example is really great even though its DVD.
Also IS is an awful show with good extras.
Oh? And here I thought the consensus was that nearly all Sentai releases were crap. I can't speak on a technical level of video quality, but I've never been impressed by a Sentai packaged product.
 

Jex

Member
[Mouryou no Hako] - 5

Yo, you people who are also backlogging this show, don't tell me you actually understand everything that's going on? Or even can keep up with the characters? I have two pages of notes here and I feel like I need a guidebook just to work out who's related to who and what's actually going on.

I'll try and summarise where we are at later.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Well he didn't even spare
buggy in the first place
Now that I remember he gave him a fate worse then death,
stole most of his body parts then hit him so hard he sent him to an uninhabited island to die/suffer only 1/4 of a man

I can't imagine you watching an action/superhero movie in where the protag doesn't out right kill the villain.
I did, back when I was a kid. I'm okay with cynical heroes and anti-heroes now though, because they are usually more interesting characters.

Even a crappy show like the new Hawaii 5-0 has one of the main characters, a cop no less, execute a villain out of hatred.

Question

Is it just an accepted trope that anytime the protagonist's idiot ally declares victory, the antagonist's side will get the upper hand?
Well, assuming you can still read GAF, but there is the standard action trope of the hero walking away from a downed villain, only to have the villain shoot the hero in the back. This situation has many outcomes, but typically the hero is prepared for the betrayal and shoots the villain... that way, he gets the satisfaction of killing the villain without any of the guilt of executing a helpless/unarmed person.

The first time that I watched the Arlong Park arc, I don't think that I would have felt any extra gratification had
Arlong actually died
. One Piece is too lighthearted and too forward-looking for blood atonement to work in its thematic framework, and I'm fine with that, especially considering that Oda is usually good about eventually depicting how shitty the villain's life is post-defeat.

Not only has Luffy's philosophy never really come back to hurt him, he'd actually be dead if he hadn't spared some of the villains he'd defeated. The Impel Down arc (which is essentially a gigantic prison infiltration/escape) is probably the best example of this as he has to release some of his former enemies just to survive, although it's strongly hinted that some of them will be future arc villains again.
Maybe it plays different on TV when the story has more room to breathe, but given how much they emphasized not only the assholery of Arlong, but the fact that he shoots Bellmere right in the heart, makes you wonder why someone doesn't fuck him up in some way. Given that the Marines are basically corrupt assholes that were colluding with him, handing him over to them doesn't seem like much of a punishment at all.

No idea about that part. At least three characters I noticed had that same shading this episode: Hibito, Mutta, and Buddy.
Yep. At first I assumed it was like a blood clot or something, because Hibito was running out of air, but now I have no idea. Are their eyes blushing or something? lol

I don't think it makes sense to call the 'non' serious episodes filler because they make up such a large percentage of the show. Non-serious comedy episodes are really the bread and butter of Gintama and the serious stuff is an unusual exception to the rest of the series. Now, of course, there is some very clear really filler as well which comes from the TV staff but that's a different matter entirely.
Well, I only call them "filler" because of how cosmic (seems to) feels about the show. Something like the Madao episodes technically have nothing to do with the main story, yet they are pretty amazing.

I haven't seen Episode of Nami yet, but I think the original version works quite well. It's not like there was a huge amount of filler in it. It's short enough that condensing it down to something of that length is still possible, but it also worked very well as a short story arc in the TV series.
I'd be curious to see someone compare the two in terms of what was cut and how the new adaptation handled the story... but I know I'm not going to be the one that watches the TV version of Arlong unfortunately.

Tamayura (OVA) 1-2

Not bad. Very much a feel-good show.
Now watch the sequel series, Tamayura ~hitotose~.

You mean feel-awareness-of-the-transience-of-things show.
:firehawk

From what I understand Sentai, who are putting it out, are just looking to acquire/dub/sub as many shows as possible to sell their catalogue to the big streaming sites. Quality control isn't their first priority.
It seems like it's specifically the guy who manages their localizations though, more than Sentai itself.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Nope, didn't work. Went to sleep, woke up still thinking about Toradora. I think I'm actually depressed over here. And I don't know why, since
everything turned out the way I wanted it to in the end
. I guess it's because
the whole thing with Taiga leaving for over a year made me feel really, really bad for Ryuji
. Or maybe it's just as ZachDeKoromaru and Shergal said, with the whole "void" thing. =/

Note to self: Don't watch romance anime anymore. =/

Still the bestest anime romcom.
 

Jex

Member
[Mouryou no Hako] - 5

This show, and Kyougokudo, are straight up trolling:

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????
 

DiGiKerot

Member
It seems like it's specifically the guy who manages their localizations though, more than Sentai itself.

It's specifically one guy - Stephen Foster - who manages localization for dubbing on some of their shows. For some reason, it looks like they decided to use a version of one of this scripts as the actual subtitles instead of a translation from further back down the production pipeline.

Most Sentai releases - as in the ones Mr Foster doesn't work on - don't have these issues with their subtitles.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
It's specifically one guy - Stephen Foster - who manages localization for dubbing on some of their shows. For some reason, it looks like they decided to use a version of one of this scripts as the actual subtitles instead of a translation from further back down the production pipeline.

Most Sentai releases - as in the ones Mr Foster doesn't work on - don't have these issues with their subtitles.

Ah, I just assumed he handled all of them. The ANNCast peeps seem to bring him up whenever they talk about Sentai anyway.

Was he responsible for the "awful" Infinite Stratos dub? I suppose he should be applauded for that one. lol
 

DiGiKerot

Member
Maybe they reused it?

It was a background line during the scene where Chifuyu shows up at the beach in her bikini.

Of course, there's also the decision to have everyone speak in crappy accents. That was also golden.

Huh - I guess they must have inserted it as a goofy reference to that one line from a Dreameater Merry fansub. That does sound way more like a Foster thing than a Grant one.
 

sonicmj1

Member
[Mouryou no Hako] - 5

This show, and Kyougokudo, are straight up trolling:

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????

Definitely.

There's a lot I wanted to get into with that episode, but I didn't want to think about it at the time I finished it.

The whole episode spends its time setting up this idea of clairvoyance. It's even something we see a bit at the very beginning with Sekiguchi, whose most recent story seems to have a lot of parallels with Kanako and Yoriko's case. And then Kyogokudo is there ruining our fun.

I was kinda reluctant to read too much into it because the conversation wasn't concluded in that episode. I suspect he'll reveal his sources in a little while. I think the idea, however Kyogokudo found his conclusions, is that the difference between something mysterious and something mundane is just a matter of perspective. To someone who has the answers, there is no mystery.

I could be wildly off-base, though.
 

jgminto

Member
Finally finished Baccano! Truly amazing. I want more yet still feel satisfied. It's one of those rare shows that really excels on almost every avenue...except the CG. I think I'll have to get a Baccano! avatar to commemorate this but I don't know which character to go with, there are so many great ones.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Ok, time to say this: Max Heart actually started ok for me. Overall it's the inverse of the usual precure quality curve.

So I should interpret it as a bad sign if my feelings toward these beginning episodes have ranged from boredom to severe annoyance. I don't want to ask you too much more about the direction that the show takes because I don't want to poison it too much for myself even if it's likely that I'll arrive at the same conclusion, but now I'm interested to see what the actual legit bad stuff is.


Anyway,


Futari wa Precure Max Heart 03:

Fucking Porun. Fucking mascot antics. I really hope that Hikari doesn't stay this wistful and confused for the entire series. It'll be infuriating if the "mystery" surrounding her identity actually takes a significant time for everyone to solve.
 
I think the movie could have been a little tighter (the whole thing with that sea cow creature was completely pointless).

This is actually important later because Oda forgets NO ONE.

but I can't imagine what they could have added to this story to stretch it out to 14 episodes. More exposition? More fighting? I just don't know. But I guess that's precisely why I probably can't watch the series proper - hopefully they'll just do digest versions of the entire anime and have them all out by the time the show ends. (One Piece Kai please).

A few things got cut, even 1 or 2 important things like
at the end of the arc, Nami leaves behind the 100 million she had saved up. The special cuts that out, making her look like a flat out bitch after stealing everyone's wallet.
There's also some unimportant stuff cut. You are right, it is much better paced than the TV version, though I definitely liked that too when I watched it years ago.

I do have some thoughts about the movie itself, and these are probably things I've expressed before when I watched the series, but I find the depiction of violence extremely odd - and I assume it's because it's a show for children?

They have Arlong kill Bellmere and actually show it on screen (for the most part), and it serves as the turning point of the film. For one of these types of stories, it worked perfectly even though I knew exactly what was going to happen. Hell, the exact same thing happens in the Courtesan arc, and it's a very classic way to garner sympathy for a character and more importantly antagonism for an... antagonist very quickly. That's all fine and good.

What I don't get is why the good characters aren't allowed to express the same kind of violence? The assuming is that Arlong is dead at the end, but we have no idea if that's true or not. Even the guy with swords isn't allowed to actually cut anyone with them and presumably just knocks the other guy unconscious.

One Piece just isn't about retribution through killing. It's not based on morality, but rather the concept of shattered dreams being a fate worse than death. Oda has said this numerous times which is why very few people die in the series in general outside of flashbacks. I really don't see it as a problem. Not everything needs edgy anti-heroes, and it's not like Luffy is a straight up good guy either.

Besides, Zoro has killed before as have a few other strawhat members. It's just never outright shown.

The Courtesan arc twists this by having
Takasugi kill the bad guy
, making you question the very nature of revenge, but here it's completely absent... which of course makes me wonder if Arlong won't just come back and nuke the village the moment that Luffy and his gang sail away.

Arlong is in jail.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethics of that, because you don't really want to glorify violence for the children watching the show - Brad Pitt isn't carving any swastikas here - but you also don't show any consequences for the good guys using violence whatsoever. Luffy doesn't have to have PTSD dreams of killing his enemies because he never actually has to kill any of them.

I don't know why that's a negative. Is a protagonist of an action series required to have PTSD dreams of killing people?

I assume the entire series is like that? Especially since the primary mode of action is martial arts and short of breaking necks, there really isn't any way to make it bloody and disgusting (hey, even Wei Shen had to use the environment to fuck people up in Sleeping Dogs lol). I think maybe this is one place where I'd give the edge to Gintama, because as jokey and shounen-ey as Gintoki can be, he's not above murdering his enemies.

Again, not seeing how one is better than the other.


Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Interesting impressions.
 
Finally finished Baccano! Truly amazing. I want more yet still feel satisfied. It's one of those rare shows that really excels on almost every avenue...except the CG. I think I'll have to get a Baccano! avatar to commemorate this but I don't know which character to go with, there are so many great ones.

Jacuzzi. Go with Jacuzzi
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 04:

Geez just find a cage for Seekun already.

So much for "powering up". They just
fucked up the Dark King himself a few weeks ago
and now they can't even get a hit in on Chinstrap? Dude's not even as strong as not-Piccolo guy from the first half of S1. Ridiculous contrivance just to be able to introduce Shiny Luminous.

I suppose that they blew all of their budget on the OP and transformations because the battles have been even jankier than usual since Max Heart began.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
This is actually important later because Oda forgets NO ONE.
REVENGE OF THE SEA COW!

A few things got cut, even 1 or 2 important things like
at the end of the arc, Nami leaves behind the 100 million she had saved up. The special cuts that out, making her look like a flat out bitch after stealing everyone's wallet.
There's also some unimportant stuff cut. You are right, it is much better paced than the TV version, though I definitely liked that too when I watched it years ago.
Huh, that makes sense. Maybe they thought that was piling it on a bit too much in the movie, given that the next thing to come is the whole pinwheel thing.

In terms of the 'unimportant' stuff, is that a trend that continues on with the rest of the series?

One Piece just isn't about retribution through killing. It's not based on morality, but rather the concept of shattered dreams being a fate worse than death. Oda has said this numerous times which is why very few people die in the series in general outside of flashbacks. I really don't see it as a problem. Not everything needs edgy anti-heroes, and it's not like Luffy is a straight up good guy either.

Besides, Zoro has killed before as have a few other strawhat members. It's just never outright shown.
Yeah, I understand this way of thinking. Police procedurals operate on this level of moral understanding as well, since the cops never lower themselves to the level of the criminals. One show twists this trope by forcing the cops to shoot a bystander that is about to take out the bad guy, playing on the idea that they have to stop imminent violence regardless of who the victim/perpetrator might be.

That said, maybe this movie would have worked better if I understood Luffy's morality beforehand. But I'm probably the only person who is watching this movie cold.

Arlong is in jail.
Which is weird, given what they show of the Marines, but why not.

I don't know why that's a negative. Is a protagonist of an action series required to have PTSD dreams of killing people?

Again, not seeing how one is better than the other.
Well, for all the emphasis on violence - you're talking about a 20 minute fight sequence at the end - the fact that it's all bloodless and clean makes it seem like violence is something that is fun and wacky.

Of course, I'm ignoring the fact that everyone calls out their moves beforehand, because that's just how the genre works, but even if you don't take that into account it still feels goofy. More so when you see the heroes get bloodied and two characters get shot and bleed.

It also makes me question the stakes of the battle. Is Luffy so tied to his particular morality that he's willing to hold back even if the villain is trying to kill him? Is Arlong even trying to kill him at that point or just knock him unconscious?

I mean, there are lots of martial arts movies where all the fighting isn't fatal - all of Jackie Chan's movies for one - but that's because it's really just an excuse for action porn rather than actual storytelling or characterization. Come to think of it though, I suppose One Piece's action probably fits that bill as well. The difference is that at the end of every Jackie Chan movie, you have a bloopers reel to show how everything was all in good fun. It serves as a reminder to the audience that these characters are all friends in real life and that martial arts and stunts aren't always beautiful to watch (and can be extremely painful). Maybe One Piece does the same thing by just being inherently goofy with its Gomu Gomus and whatnot.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Interesting impressions.
Well, I figured I might as well put my money where my mouth is with regards to my feelings on One Piece.

(I still wish everything was like Gintama though... sorry! lol)
 

wonzo

Banned
Space Brothers 44

Man, all I could think about this episode was just what was up with those weird lines around their eyes? I can't say I've seen anything else like it before.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Space Brothers 44

Man, all I could think about this episode was just what was up with those weird lines around their eyes? I can't say I've seen anything else like it before.

Okay, that's two other people! So it isn't just some weird manga grammar (like a giant sweat drop) thing that I've never seen before!
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Wow, Chihayafuru S2 has been pretty impressive so far. Episodes move fast, there's more variety and interplay between the team with the extended cast, and the show is doing a good job of setting up both long and short term goals. Everything is fitting together really well.
 

cajunator

Banned
Wow, Chihayafuru S2 has been pretty impressive so far. Episodes move fast, there's more variety and interplay between the team with the extended cast, and the show is doing a good job of setting up both long and short term goals. Everything is fitting together really well.

I put the first season in my top ten.
Totally love it to death.
Even imported the soundtracks.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Gintama Benizakura arc

This was pretty good I guess,
watching Gin and Katsura tearing it up at the end was great.
 

Jex

Member
[Nadia] - 39

Pedo end. Everyone lived happily ever after.

Yeah, that show was pretty good. Anno sure used to be good at making normal shows with normal plots and normal endings (and horrible budget issues) before he went totally crazy with Evangelion.

Incidentally, this entire series reminds me that we don't get very many or any 'classic' adventure stories anymore and that's a damn shame. I don't really see why that style of storytelling fell out of favour except that large swathes of it are absorbed into 'shounen fighting shows' because characters in those shows go on ripping adventures. Still, there's obviously many crucial differences between the two genres noticeably in the fact that 'classic adventure' shows aren't really that focused on combat and that they are actually designed to end much, much faster.
 

fertygo

Member
Gintama 2nd season (ep 50-99) impression


The show really hitting a stride with Benizakura arc, its became such a great ride after that arc.. Even the gag only episode were really good with few exception.

Favorite moment :

- Sogo & Hijikata mini arc.
- Benizakura arc
- Yagyu arc
- Shogun introduction

Worst episode
Hard Boiled story, what the hell with this crap.

Off to Season 3!

The Shinsengumi Chaos arc looks good.
 

Jintor

Member
Toradora 14-16

A good reminder that other people's lives are more complicated than you think.

Also,
a fucking brutal fight scene to this music. God damn.

FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS

Taiga~
 

Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
Toradora 14-16

A good reminder that other people's lives are more complicated than you think.

Also,
a fucking brutal fight scene to this music. God damn.

FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS FEELS

Taiga~

Man, I can't wait until you finish the series. For reals.
 
Which is weird, given what they show of the Marines, but why not.

It's important to note Nezumi and the other people involved in the deal are anomalies. The marines for the most part are generally not that corrupt (or at least not in that way), and are in fact on the other side of the extreme, going to great, even immoral lengths to capture pirates.

It also makes me question the stakes of the battle. Is Luffy so tied to his particular morality that he's willing to hold back even if the villain is trying to kill him? Is Arlong even trying to kill him at that point or just knock him unconscious?

I don't think Luffy's holding back. He probably isn't consciously not killing people as much as he's just fighting super resilient people. Luffy just doesn't do anything else when they're knocked out.

In fact, the characters essentially being iron walls is something that many people complain about. Later on, characters survive such ridiculous situations that it may take you out of the moment more than calling attacks.
 

Jintor

Member
Watching Bleach the Movie Hell Verse's english dub and I can't unhear Yu Narukami now :/

It is making this more amusing though because now I'm visualising Yu chilling out here
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
The reason they cheaped out on Penguindrum is probably because it wont sell to begin with.
How do you market it?
If it wouldn't sell then they shouldn't have licensed it. Tarnishing a series with a substandard release is inexcusable and shows a lack of concern for the people who actually will be buying it.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 04:

I suppose that they blew all of their budget on the OP and transformations because the battles have been even jankier than usual since Max Heart began.
Transformations that include Hikari tilting her head back without tilting her ears.
 

Jintor

Member
Out of the 8 billion JYB roles, that's who immediately springs to mind?

Wait, Toonami isn't playing Hell Verse, is it?

It's the most recent JYB I've heard and the voice is almost exactly the same

No, but they should, if just to see the crowd who think (know) Bleach is crap to see it be treated with this level of excellence.

This series really makes me appreciate how lazy mid-air stand-fighting is though in terms of choreography, lol
 
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