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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!

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zeroshiki

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I'm all for doing things subtly and this movie does it to great effect for the first 3/4 to cover a lot of their lives efficiently but I'm not going to assume something is conveniently implied when there's zero evidence brought forth to support that. Hell, just a simple smile between the two would've been all the evidence I needed. Also kind of off topic but have you seen J-dramas? That stuff is full of cheesy over the top emotional scenes, the death of subtlety is found everywhere brother and I'm still mourning it.

I don't understand what JDrama has to do with this. Are you saying Hosoda wrote GTO or Hana Yori Dango or something?

What do you mean zero evidence?
Souhei went to her house every day. He obviously knew that Yuki felt terrible about it. Because of this, Yuki also knows that at the very least Souhei doesn't hate her either.
It seems like you made up your mind that was what happened and don't see how it could not be like that.
 
Neither was I, but only partially, because apparently only I and a few others had a problem with this.

The vast majority of AnimeGAF's more discerning anime watchers were not perturbed by this asspull at all.
It's not like it was completely out of nowhere. The resolution was honestly quite touching. You have to handwave some things about how important Ame's new job must be, but that's fine in a movie about children who freaking transform into wolves. I had a bigger problem with their dead father (does he have a name, btw?) showing up in Hana's near-death experience.

It's not the best bit of storytelling, but the movie felt more like a series of vignettes than a movie with strong pacing, plot, and climax. It was fine for what the movie needed to do.

So I feel like watching something. Should I watch Char's Counterattack, the Saiyuki Requiem dub, or more Votoms?
 

Dresden

Member
I felt like it was the obvious reading, since it is exactly what happened.
Ame's irresponsibility wound up nearly killing Hana, who, if this weren't anime, would've died on the mountain.

How is that alright in any universe?

Ame could've waited one day to say goodbye but he had to pick the worst possible day. It's not like he was spending his time saving baby birds from getting washed away by the storm. Who the fuck knows what he was doing?

Nature's call. The storm is essentially about the intrusion of nature into the civilized world; we see the everyday routines of normal people disrupted by its presence. It's something
Ame couldn't resist. We see this by his almost hypnotized exit out of the house. The wolf side of him can no longer abide within the caging of the house.
 
I believe she leaped to before he used his final leap on her too.

Bah, then why is there any conservation of leaps at all? Like when she made that huge leap to set Kosuke up with Kaho she should've gained plenty of leaps. Also wouldn't she have had infinite karaoke leaps? I could've sworn the counter distinctly went down from before and after that. Oh no, I'll have to watch this great movie again to double check! Poor me, heh.

Maybe I'm asking for trouble if I'm expecting any time travel plot to be completely consistent but I still think TGWLTT was more well thought out than WC. All nitpicking anyway, both are still worth the while.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Nature's call. The storm is essentially about the intrusion of nature into the civilized world; we see the everyday routines of normal people disrupted by its presence. It's something
Ame couldn't resist. We see this by his almost hypnotized exit out of the house. The wolf side of him can no longer abide within the caging of the house.

I hate that this makes sense.

Fuck you dresden, fuck your shit.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
That was my biggest problem with Wolf Children. My first impression after watching it was "this is like a slice of life", which would be fine and all, but Hosoda forced some drama into it at the last moment without the proper build up, and literally conjured up a storm in order to get the ending he wanted.

TL;DR: Ame is a dick, storm was an ass pull.

TGWLTT: No stakes.
Summer Wars: Stupid stakes.
Wolf Children: Just right.

I don't get your complaint about the proper build up. The movie essentially plays its hand the moment the two children go to school.
 

Dresden

Member
Maybe of what's been shown.
I don't believe for a minute she's perfectly okay, especially after the way her husband died, which she had been thinking about when Ame left. I understand she vowed to raise them however they wished, but she's still a mother and after 10 years, it's hard to believe she'd be so accepting of the decision to never see her son again.

It would have been easier to swallow if it wasn't so abrupt. The two don't have a conversation of any kind when Ame bails, it's just Hana screaming and then accepting it out of nowhere because of a howl. That optimistic portrayal just felt so unearned, even if you ignore the fact you don't use the "be free!" trope on a friggin 10 year old kid, wolf or not.

There was no need for a conversation. That entire
transit through the mountain was their dialogue. We've seen time and time again through the movie that there are sequences where no dialog is needed or offered. Her journey through the darkness, and out again, is representative of the understanding she gains.
 

duckroll

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I like Hirai. His designs are refreshing in the sea of moeblob garbage. It's nice to have a designer who actually conveys the fact that not everyone in the world is an idol or supermodel. Ugly people represent!
 

Shergal

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I like Hirai. His designs are refreshing in the sea of moeblob garbage. It's nice to have a designer who actually conveys the fact that not everyone in the world is an idol or supermodel. Ugly people represent!

He also conveys the fact that nobody should be an idol or supermodel, because everyone looks exactly as ugly as each other.
 

duckroll

Member
But they all look the same men or women! :(

Lies, these two look nothing alike!

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chara20.jpg
 

Dresden

Member
Nah, the whole last half hour kind of irked me.
Yuki's resolution bothered me too because of how her relation to Sohei was handled. He never apologized for obnoxiously harassing her and even though he showed remorse she never really forgave him either. It felt more like the situation was swept under the rug rather than being water under the bridge ya know? Sure her confession scene was more about coming to terms with herself than with him but it still felt really half baked. Her arc and character were still better and more interesting than Ame's though.
We clearly see
Souhei making every effort to get to know her. Her going to school again is a result of his efforts. By the time the storm arrives they've clearly become friends, but the tension is still there with the things they dare not tell each other.

Do you understand why Souhei is so attracted to Yuki?
It's because of her family. He's drawn to that which he cannot have. We see a deliberate contrast between his mother and Hana. Everything from their clothes to the way they are arranged in the composition, one positioned as an adversary, framed off-kilter from the center, dominant yet not balanced.

When the
:roymustang happens, it's essentially the climax of that awkward friendship they develop. It never felt 'swept under the rug' because all the things necessary to make it feel 'real' were laid in place, and given enough space to breath, with other events happening in the interim to give it enough time to feel that something indeed developed.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
TGWLTT: No stakes.
Summer Wars: Stupid stakes.
Wolf Children: Just right.
TGWLTT: Good build up.
Summer Wars: Meh build up.
Wolf Children: No build up.

I don't get your complaint about the proper build up. The movie essentially plays its hand the moment the two children go to school.
What's not to get? I didn't feel like the climax was properly earned. You can't just carelessly insert drama into a low key story like Wolf Children. It doesn't fit.

It's like if Yotsubato suddenly went all grimdark on me by killing off Koiwai and ending the movie with Yotsuba standing over his grave with Jumbo and Yanda and the neighbors, trying to pretend her tears are rain.
 
I don't understand what JDrama has to do with this. Are you saying Hosoda wrote GTO or Hana Yori Dango or something?

What do you mean zero evidence?
Souhei went to her house every day. He obviously knew that Yuki felt terrible about it. Because of this, Yuki also knows that at the very least Souhei doesn't hate her either.
It seems like you made up your mind that was what happened and don't see how it could not be like that.

I didn't know what American sitcoms had to do with it either but I kind of just went with the flow, I did mention it was off topic didn't I?

I acknowledged that he displayed remorse for it earlier but the subtle moment when he inspects her hand and she quickly withdraws it betrays the idea she's forgiven him doesn't it? Also you seem to be missing that the resolution of her hurting him isn't in question, it's him harassing her in the first place that's unresolved.
 

duckroll

Member
OMG the right one look worse than that square guy.

Btw the good dudes fighting monster king like in old school mecha or what?

Majestic Prince has a deep and epic story spanning millions of years. I can't explain it in one post! :D

duckroll is doing a great job of anti-selling Majestic Prince to me.

I don't have to sell it to you. When everyone here is watching it next month, you'll just follow along like the drone you are! :D
 

wonzo

Banned

firehawk12

Subete no aware
TGWLTT: Good build up.
Summer Wars: Meh build up.
Wolf Children: No build up.


What's not to get? I didn't feel like the climax was properly earned. You can't just carelessly insert drama into a low key story like Wolf Chilren. It just doesn't fit.

It's like if Yotsubato suddenly went all grimdark on me.

It was perfectly earned! If anything, I could understand if someone argued that it was way too romanticized, because I still think the film privileges Ame's choice, but I mean... in that moment, the drama was in the split between the two children, not in what happens to the mother. It's about how a mother has to let her children become what they are destined to be, whether that is an easy choice or a hard choice.
 

Dresden

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What's not to get? I didn't feel like the climax was properly earned. You can't just carelessly insert drama into a low key story like Wolf Children. It doesn't fit.

It's like if Yotsubato suddenly went all grimdark on me by killing off Koiwai and ending the movie with Yotsuba standing over his grave with Jumbo and Yanda and the neighbors, trying to pretend her tears are rain.

The story
begins with drama, man. I don't think anything in the movie rivals the moment papawolf gets trashed for pure :roymustang.

And it certainly makes Hana's acceptance all the more poignant. She understands the danger involved but in the end, she understands the path he chose to take.
 

fertygo

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TGWLTT: Good build up.
Summer Wars: Meh build up.
Wolf Children: No build up.


What's not to get? I didn't feel like the climax was properly earned. You can't just carelessly insert drama into a low key story like Wolf Chilren. It just doesn't fit.

It's like if Yotsubato suddenly went all grimdark on me by killing off Koiwai and ending the movie with Yotsuba standing over his grave with Jumbo and Yanda and the neighbors, trying to pretend her tears are rain.

Dude, we already seen DRAMA before that climax. Ame got shrink, Ame and Yuki fighting brutally.. its all build up to that, its nothing like Hidamari goes grimdark.

Btw this should already end with that Dresden's ether.
 

duckroll

Member
The mechanical designs are ridiculously good compared to the character designs.

I always like mecha shows where you can clearly tell that different designers handled different design lines. Xenosaga and Gundam 00 were like that, and they really benefited from it. Here you can also tell that the more military style mechs and ships are all one guy, the wackier stuff in the main 5 mechs and the main ship are another guy, and the alien stuff are another guy. Good stuff. Hope Orange delivers on the direction too. Could really help errr... "balance" the show visually. LOL.
 

wonzo

Banned
There should be an arc in the manga where she
comes back to life and
uses her abilities to revive Gainax by greenlighting a full season of Good Loser Kumagawa. Now that would be some meta.
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If there's one person that can pull off that level of meta, it's Nisio.

Don't worry, everyone who "bails out" because of the characters, will come running back for these:
It's not worth it.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
The story
begins with drama, man. I don't think anything in the movie rivals the moment papawolf gets trashed for pure :roymustang.
I didn't like that much either. So abrupt. Their life together would've made for a good movie in and of itself. Wolf Children needed to be a duology.

Dude, we already seen DRAMA before that climax. Ame got shrink, Ame and Yuki fighting brutally.. its all build up to that, its nothing like Hidamari goes grimdark.
See, that was good drama. Two young siblings, who both have different ideas of how to live, get into a fight over their budding life values. This is normal, this is expected, and it was the perfect time for them to scrap it out.

Btw this should already end with that Dresden's ether.
This will end when I feel like it.
It was perfectly earned! If anything, I could understand if someone argued that it was way too romanticized, because I still think the film privileges Ame's choice, but I mean... in that moment, the drama was in the split between the two children, not in what happens to the mother. It's about how a mother has to let her children become what they are destined to be, whether that is an easy choice or a hard choice.
No, I got that. And I saw it coming like everyone else and it was good.

But the experience was soured by Ame's stupidity, which is something I can't forgive.
 

JCG

Member
Oh well, if you could sit through the whole of Infinite Ryvius, I could give Majestic Prince a go.

To be fair, Infinite Ryvius was not only a very early use of those character designs but also made them look a little bit more distinct than what they've eventually become over the years.

A more appropriate example would be...I don't know, maybe Heroic Age?
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 27:

not the pears oh god not the pears ANYTHING BUT THE PEAAARSSSSSSSS

okay so just how deeply, appallingly braindead does Hikari have to be to freeze in senseless terror of the millionth variation of the same fucking monster she's been fighting for the whole series and not lift a finger to save her friends who are about to be crushed underfoot until she's informed of the fact that her friends are about to fucking die, occurring right before her eyes yet apparently unable to be processed by her brain into anything meaningful, by Porun of all people, who he himself is already profoundly cognitively deficient?
 

Milamber

Member
To be fair, Infinite Ryvius was not only a very early use of those character designs but also made them look a little bit more distinct than what they've eventually become over the years.

A more appropriate example would be...I don't know, maybe Heroic Age?

What about Scryed? And they went that way in terms of design.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
No, I got that. And I saw it coming like everyone else and it was good.

But the experience was soured by Ame's stupidity, which is something I can't forgive.
He was never stupid!

Also, I feel partly responsible for Dresden using
:roymustang
now. lol
 
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