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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!
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I probably am crazy.
Crash Station
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Robitics;Notes end
Good if not super cliche ending. Not amazing or anything, but some neat stuff happened. Did we ever find out why
So was this show worth it? I don't know. I mean, shit did get real, but more often than not, it was only temporary. That doesn't mean the series didn't have some incredibly high points like the masterfully executed end to episode 16, but those were very rare.
After the expectations set by Steins;Gate, this very clearly failed to deliver. On the other hand, I would not have checked this out or stuck with it without experiencing its spiritual predecessor, which also had a slow and shaky beginning. I really have no clue if I'm glad I experienced this middling series or if I'm unhappy I didn't spend my time doing something else.
And so ends another better than normal Noitamina block.
Good if not super cliche ending. Not amazing or anything, but some neat stuff happened. Did we ever find out why
monopoles were falling from the sky?
So was this show worth it? I don't know. I mean, shit did get real, but more often than not, it was only temporary. That doesn't mean the series didn't have some incredibly high points like the masterfully executed end to episode 16, but those were very rare.
After the expectations set by Steins;Gate, this very clearly failed to deliver. On the other hand, I would not have checked this out or stuck with it without experiencing its spiritual predecessor, which also had a slow and shaky beginning. I really have no clue if I'm glad I experienced this middling series or if I'm unhappy I didn't spend my time doing something else.
And so ends another better than normal Noitamina block.
Shut up, especially after you saying how worthless the show was.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I had managed to blank out the fact that Psycho Pass and Robotics;Note were airing on NOTamina. :\
Thanks for reminding me.
Thanks for reminding me.
Hey, now I know the origin of your avatar.
That second one is really nice. There's a 1000% chance that it's rotoscoped, but I wonder if there's even such a thing as good dance animation that isn't. I'd love to see more examples of OP/ED dances because I can only think of a couple myself.
Here's a story: A young girl is sent to a far off land by her "prince", alone and without support. There, she meets an enclave of seemingly friendly and altruistic people who give her food and shelter. However, it's clear they see her as nothing more than a barbarian, and they are shocked whenever she displays any sort of basic human intelligence or skills. Recognizing potential where they see it, however, the same people who took her now have her working for their shops, cooking in their kitchen, sewing their clothes, and all for what? Some leftovers, a bed, and a dream slowly fading away, being replaced by labor and servitude.
This, my friends, is a story about immigration, worker exploitation, and slavery.
This is Tamako Market.
This, my friends, is a story about immigration, worker exploitation, and slavery.
This is Tamako Market.
Critical analysis has no place in this thread.
Sounds good to me.
It condemns the system, not the people. And it doesn't really do a good job of condemning the system, since the characters seem so reluctant to connect their arguments to the world they live in. Which is a pretty huge failing if you're going to make a speculative sci-fi world to begin with.
I agree with your spoiler. Then I might have felt better about how it ended.
Chet Rippo
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Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory 8
Oh man I dunno about this show. It pretty much sucks but its so cheesy its easy to forgive how incredibly awful it is. The characters are horrible, the weird Zeon remnants are so wacky, I dunno man, I just don't know.
The more side stories I watch in UC, the more I want to know what the heck Amuro and the gang have been up to. 3 years now and nobody has mentioned the Red Comet at all?
Oh man I dunno about this show. It pretty much sucks but its so cheesy its easy to forgive how incredibly awful it is. The characters are horrible, the weird Zeon remnants are so wacky, I dunno man, I just don't know.
The more side stories I watch in UC, the more I want to know what the heck Amuro and the gang have been up to. 3 years now and nobody has mentioned the Red Comet at all?
Jex
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Now you're just talking crazy. The Robot in the fortress sequence and the final sequence look particularly impressive.
Macross Plus 2
This episode begins with a concert scene, and it's really one of the better-done concert scenes in anime, albeit a very unconventional one. I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling Kawamori contributed quite a bit to this part of the OVA, as many of the shots are reminiscent of his style in later works. The trippy visuals, light show aesthetics, Yoko Kanno music, and the slow build-up with a montage establishing Sharon Apple's popularity, all contribute to the feeling of unnatural manipulation and seduction. Needless to say, this scene is chock-full of important foreshadowing. Also, it says something when the CG panning shot here looks better than a lot of current CGI.
This episode has some really good use of montage. The testing montage full of mechanical animation is glorious.
The scene with Myung's old high school friend reminds me just how weird this show is compared to the usual otaku fair; the characters are all far too old and world-worn. On a minor note, I have to say that between this and the Colonel, this series treats black people with a lot more respect than you would normally expect from an anime.
Also, I don't know how I missed the implications of this scene the first time I watched this.
This episode begins with a concert scene, and it's really one of the better-done concert scenes in anime, albeit a very unconventional one. I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling Kawamori contributed quite a bit to this part of the OVA, as many of the shots are reminiscent of his style in later works. The trippy visuals, light show aesthetics, Yoko Kanno music, and the slow build-up with a montage establishing Sharon Apple's popularity, all contribute to the feeling of unnatural manipulation and seduction. Needless to say, this scene is chock-full of important foreshadowing. Also, it says something when the CG panning shot here looks better than a lot of current CGI.
Another thing I've noticed with the storyboarding in this series is the liberal use of reflections. It's a neat way to connect two different images and the thematic uses are obvious.
This episode has some really good use of montage. The testing montage full of mechanical animation is glorious.
The scene with Myung's old high school friend reminds me just how weird this show is compared to the usual otaku fair; the characters are all far too old and world-worn. On a minor note, I have to say that between this and the Colonel, this series treats black people with a lot more respect than you would normally expect from an anime.
Also, I don't know how I missed the implications of this scene the first time I watched this.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess that's the main guy from the live action movie then... I don't remember what any of them look like. lol
But what about all those references to random authors? lol
I suppose their world exists in the abstract then.
Robotics;Notes 22 Finale
God, what a disappointing show this has been. I remember last year, being pumped to see where they went with this. It showed some real promise. And then the conspiracies turned out to be simple and uninteresting, the most annoying character, Aki, was a huge focus at the tail end, it didn't really have anything interesting to offer for the final stretch and Frau was barely in it!
R;N has taught me to never again become invested in an anime series, unless it's about a cop from hell or muscly men doing manly things while posing.
God, what a disappointing show this has been. I remember last year, being pumped to see where they went with this. It showed some real promise. And then the conspiracies turned out to be simple and uninteresting, the most annoying character, Aki, was a huge focus at the tail end, it didn't really have anything interesting to offer for the final stretch and Frau was barely in it!
R;N has taught me to never again become invested in an anime series, unless it's about a cop from hell or muscly men doing manly things while posing.
Jex
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Seems like a reasonable analysis to me.
That's one more reason why you should look forward to Zeta at the very least. Not that the show is perfect though, plus you may or may not like the answers it provides and several of Tomino's random oddities, but its definitely more interesting than 0083.
Jex
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Laputa spoilers below!
It has been awhile since I last watched the movie so I hope I'm not off on a few points.
With regards to characterisation, Laputa isn't trying to capture a wide range of subtle but believable characters. Miyazaki intended to create a relatively light hearted adventure film and in that I believe he achieved his objective. This wouldn't excuse poor characterisation, for example, but I don't think we have any of that in the movie. Everyone is just what they seem like, by and large. That villainous guy who looks like a villain sure is a villain but that's the kind of story that's being told.
With regards to your personal distaste for overused clichés, yes the ancient civilisation thing is fairly played out but this movie is 27 years old. While 9/10 sci-fi works engage in that cliché today it wasn't too bad back in the mid 80's. Admittedly it's still kind of lazy but it's a trope Miyazaki can't seem to escape.
Finally, onto the movie's backstory. You've posited that "the entire movie's "moral lesson" hinges on whether the Laputans' fate was deserved, and whether Sheeta made the "correct" choice in destroying the castle. "
Now, you're half right. Of course the main question at the end is whether Sheeta made the right correct but this doesn't have anything to do with the fate of the Laputan's. We don't know what happened to them or why but it really doesn't matter in this case because what killed them isn't the problem, it's what Laputa is and what it continues to be by the time the movie makes place. Laputa is a city designed to wage war and subjugate others to it's will, a point they make very clearly in the movie. It's not a neutral location, it's a sky fortress. This is why it's right for Sheeta to destroy it, not because of what may or may not have happened to the Laputan's, but because the city is inherently bad.
Now, you also make a point that you feel the movie is anti-technology and I don't think that's true either. Down on the ground there's a whole host of technologies from cars to trains to airships and none of those are labelled as being bad. It's Laputa itself that's a problem, for the reasons discussed.
I don't think there's anything wrong with subjecting a text to serious criticism but I do feel that some of your points are unfair because they judge the movie on criteria that it's not trying to achieve. This doesn't mean you should lower your expectations, of course.
It has been awhile since I last watched the movie so I hope I'm not off on a few points.
I don't know if your criticism is inherently fair, regardless of how accurate it is. Does this make sense? I don't know. Regardless:
With regards to characterisation, Laputa isn't trying to capture a wide range of subtle but believable characters. Miyazaki intended to create a relatively light hearted adventure film and in that I believe he achieved his objective. This wouldn't excuse poor characterisation, for example, but I don't think we have any of that in the movie. Everyone is just what they seem like, by and large. That villainous guy who looks like a villain sure is a villain but that's the kind of story that's being told.
With regards to your personal distaste for overused clichés, yes the ancient civilisation thing is fairly played out but this movie is 27 years old. While 9/10 sci-fi works engage in that cliché today it wasn't too bad back in the mid 80's. Admittedly it's still kind of lazy but it's a trope Miyazaki can't seem to escape.
Finally, onto the movie's backstory. You've posited that "the entire movie's "moral lesson" hinges on whether the Laputans' fate was deserved, and whether Sheeta made the "correct" choice in destroying the castle. "
Now, you're half right. Of course the main question at the end is whether Sheeta made the right correct but this doesn't have anything to do with the fate of the Laputan's. We don't know what happened to them or why but it really doesn't matter in this case because what killed them isn't the problem, it's what Laputa is and what it continues to be by the time the movie makes place. Laputa is a city designed to wage war and subjugate others to it's will, a point they make very clearly in the movie. It's not a neutral location, it's a sky fortress. This is why it's right for Sheeta to destroy it, not because of what may or may not have happened to the Laputan's, but because the city is inherently bad.
Now, you also make a point that you feel the movie is anti-technology and I don't think that's true either. Down on the ground there's a whole host of technologies from cars to trains to airships and none of those are labelled as being bad. It's Laputa itself that's a problem, for the reasons discussed.
I don't think there's anything wrong with subjecting a text to serious criticism but I do feel that some of your points are unfair because they judge the movie on criteria that it's not trying to achieve. This doesn't mean you should lower your expectations, of course.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Sports anime!
Blasty of Tempesty - Episode 23;Final 6 minutes
Worth watching just for the action animation and the comedy setup. This seems like a really fitting way to end a show about magic and conspiracies in the modern era wrapped around pretentious theatrics.
Definitely watching the final episode next week, since Ando is back! Lol.
Worth watching just for the action animation and the comedy setup. This seems like a really fitting way to end a show about magic and conspiracies in the modern era wrapped around pretentious theatrics.
The entire final set piece being an elaborate performance by all the main characters put up to fool people on a grand scale just to save the world is pretty hilarious and effective writing!
Definitely watching the final episode next week, since Ando is back! Lol.
It wasn't really serious, it was more of an off the cuff thing.
I came in looking for something that doesn't exist in anime and I left disappointed.
Jex
Member
Well, anime does suck.
Being a sports anime would not make them immune to losing.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If it was 2-cour or multiple seasons, sure. But with what you have, you might get a neutral ending at best in terms of having a conclusive but not total victory ending.
True but it's like the flu jab, you lose once early on so you can build an immunity for later.
Ando return? Oh snap.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I hate you and your space baby.
You have such a cute puppy!
Cuz Puchimas is better?
Well sure but:
This is right. Had this series been longer this tournament could have been a smaller less important one where Pravda would have been a good losing point.
Try not to do those 'well there's x episodes left so they can't win yet/have to win now' things, they really just tick yourself off. It's like checking how many pages left you have of a book.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The same way you follow the movements in a symphony, there's no reason not to follow the act structure of a television series. The creativity comes from being able to work in the form and produce something new within conventions (or break them).
Canis lupus
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Its 1 year since Ishiguro Noboru passed away, RIP.
Sure, but I find that bloody urge to see 'we're not at the climax yet so they're definitely going to win this encounter' really annoying and I find it detracts personally from my experience.
Only because animu/manga has become so predictable.
A Huge Battleship
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytCKBRQJu0&hd=1
Date A Live character PV the fifth, featurisasdkjfdaskfjsdj
For a Kurumi PV, there wasn't actually that much Kurumi, at least not relative to the other PVs. Not sure whether the anime's covering vols 1-3 or 1-4, but if it's the former then I'm presuming she's the show's big bad by default, which might explain why they're not giving too much away.
Seems that this image (slightly NSFW) is an actual scene rather than just being LN fanservice. Not sure who she's going for in the right screen, but I hope it's Origami.
Goddamn hype hype hype.
Date A Live character PV the fifth, featurisasdkjfdaskfjsdj
For a Kurumi PV, there wasn't actually that much Kurumi, at least not relative to the other PVs. Not sure whether the anime's covering vols 1-3 or 1-4, but if it's the former then I'm presuming she's the show's big bad by default, which might explain why they're not giving too much away.
Seems that this image (slightly NSFW) is an actual scene rather than just being LN fanservice. Not sure who she's going for in the right screen, but I hope it's Origami.
Goddamn hype hype hype.
Should read more books with BAD ENDs then!
Films can get away with this in a much easier way. When you're in a cinema with your phone turned off, you're not looking at the time.
Films can get away with this in a much easier way. When you're in a cinema with your phone turned off, you're not looking at the time.
No one actually turns off their cell phone in MURIKA.
Anyway who watches movies in a theatre?
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