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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time

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Gbraga

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Zvezda 12

MAY THE LIGHT OF ZVEZDA SHINE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD

No, seriously, what?

It's from the same guy that directed Darker than Black. That makes sense.

No it doesn't

...

That was pretty great.
 
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rip kinema citrus

Black Bullet adaption is that bad, huh?

Expectations were already low enough when I saw that they ruined sex hair.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
no game no life
It's sort of funny that the characters who are really good at video games have blank name slots. In League of Legends you know people are the real deal when their name is just boxes, because it means they used Korean characters.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
What? They have a licensed tag for shows though.

I don't know what its like now but 7 years ago, I don't remember them having new episode threads for content that was still airing in Japan while it was getting licensed here in the states. This was pre-Crunchy Roll.
 

Shergal

Member
Hopefully the good guys from Kinema Citrus all moved on to Barakamon, it sounds like the kind of thing that gets exponentially better as a show with a competent production.
 

survivor

Banned
Kimagure Orange Road 1-3
Going through the backlog slowly. This was one of the few older romance anime that was on the list. It's surprisingly competently directed and I'm really liking the music pieces used so far. Most of them were jazz? based and helped establish a special kind of atmosphere during these few episodes.

I have heard bad things about this before, generally about the characters and how bad they are and the usual complaints about plot progression in a romcom. So the one thing that really pushed me to watch this is an old post of flawfuls mentioning how the story at one point shifted gears and got better. Of course I have no idea if the anime even covers the entire story or if it will do the same, but I certainly hope it does end up being good. Although I'm having doubts that maybe i should have just went with Maison Ikkoku instead.
 
Like if you are talking about the LN adaptation du jour or some "Magical Girlfriend" show where the male protagonist may have few to no redeeming qualities and the women flock to him regardless then yeah.
Those may be the worst with it, but no, it's not only that. Pretty much all animes are sexist to some degree or another, more sexist than most things made in the West. As I said that's understandable, since Japan is more sexist than the US or Europe, but it is unfortunately true... and the "strong" female cahracter who is weak once she finds the "stronger" guy is an omnipresent trope in anime.

If you're talking about any anime that I feel most here would hold in high regard like Ghost in the Shell:SAC, Black Lagoon, Full Metal Alchemist, Fate/Zero, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann or even shows held in lesser regard like Soul Eater and Outlaw Star with females who have active, action-oriented roles that have interactions or relationships with prominent male characters then I think you are off the mark. You say you haven't watched Full Metal Alchemist yet I know you completed Infinite Stratos both seasons right?
I didn't say I haven't seen FMA, I said that I watched part of the original series, some years ago when it was on TV.

As for those shows you list there, I've seen parts of most of them -- I've seen GITS SAC (it's fantastic), the first two seasons of Black Lagoon (bad show, I pretty much hate it), part of the original FMA, most of the Soul Eater manga (though not the anime), and all of Outlaw Star (anime; it's average at best). Those shows all have plenty of sexism in them in various ways, certainly -- the Major's costume in GITS SAC, lots of stuff in Outlaw Star (seriously, why was that on your list??), etc. Fate/Zero IS a spinoff of a harem H-game. I haven't watched it because I don't really like that kind of thing, but... it has to have some connections to the source material, I'd think. Gurenn Lagann... haven't watched it, but Yoko's costume... yeah. Soul Eater... that does seem better than most, sure. It's quite rare in being a shonen action series with a female lead. She wouldn't get much done without Soul, though, so she's not exactly independent, for sure. Maka is not really independent, and the other female characters are secondary characters who aren't either. As for FMA, I discussed that one already; the female characters aren't bad, but are secondary and generally not in fighting roles (as far as I know) in this shonen action series. What characters in it qualify for the "strong female character" category? The main mechanic girl who likes the MC?

As for Black Lagoon... no, you're wrong there because of Revy. You really don't notice that she's a textbook case of that strip? Strong, independent (very evil) woman meets weak guy (Rock) who slowly gets stronger, and eventually she'll love him of course. That isn't one of the main reasons I disliked the show, the #1 reason was because of how strongly I dislike villain-protagonist stuff and that's one of the worst in that regard, but Rock is definitely on the list too.

So maybe you need to watch less shitty anime?
Other than GITS SAC, I wouldn't mention any of those as great myself, for sure...
 

Hitokage

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KOR doesn't have bad characters, although Hikaru's voice is a bit much to take sometimes, and it's not really the plot progression either. It's that it'll push the status quo repeatedly, but each time kind of force things back to where they were. It's more frustrating than if it was never pushed in the first place.
 
Kimagure Orange Road 1-3

Going through the backlog slowly. This was one of the few older romance anime that was on the list. It's surprisingly competently directed and I'm really liking the music pieces used so far. Most of them were jazz? based and helped establish a special kind of atmosphere during these few episodes.

I have heard bad things about this before, generally about the characters and how bad they are and the usual complaints about plot progression in a romcom. So the one thing that really pushed me to watch this is an old post of flawfuls mentioning how the story at one point shifted gears and got better. Of course I have no idea if the anime even covers the entire story or if it will do the same, but I certainly hope it does end up being good. Although I'm having doubts that maybe i should have just went with Maison Ikkoku instead.

Honestly the worst part about the series itself is that the main char is an indecisive fuck throughout all 48 episodes even though he likes best girl from the start.

But at least in the two movies the plot is resolved. So if it wasn't for the movies this series would be shitty for me, at least in romance.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Most mahou shoujo series fit straight into the "no significant male characters" thing, though... or at least recent ones sure do. Before that it's a mixed bag on the male characters front, but ones like Tuxedo Mask saving Sailor Moon constantly sure are sexist stereotypes!
Don't talk about shows you don't know about. Tuxedo Mask is supposed to be cool but entirely unreliable and undependable. He offers Usagi moral support, but ultimately it's up to her to do the heavy lifting.
 

Gbraga

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No Game no Life was not quite what I was expecting. It was surprisingly fun, I'm glad the games will be a lot more interesting than I thought (it would be really boring if it was just them playing MMOs, though I'm sure I'll miss their room dynamic).

Isn't it supposed to be a harem anime, though? How are they getting there?

EDIT: Just watched the after credits, nevermind, I think I know.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
No Game no Life was not quite what I was expecting. It was surprisingly fun, I'm glad the games will be a lot more interesting than I thought (it would be really boring if it was just them playing MMOs, though I'm sure I'll miss their room dynamic).
Interesting games like...poker?
 
Those may be the worst with it, but no, it's not only that. Pretty much all animes are sexist to some degree or another, more sexist than most things made in the West. As I said that's understandable, since Japan is more sexist than the US or Europe, but it is unfortunately true... and the "strong" female cahracter who is weak once she finds the "stronger" guy is an omnipresent trope in anime.

Why are you complaining about things you've never watched?
 

cajunator

Banned
Did anyone post the latest round of Discotek release goodness? Here they are:



The only thing I'd be interested in picking up is maybe Sherlock Hound, but I wouldn't be averse to grabbing the Fatal Fury releases on a sale.

Edit: Whoops, spoke too soon. They added Hols, Prince of the Sun (Little Norse Prince) I guess. Possibly more to come...

Cardcaptor Sakura movie ★_★

Did he describe thousands of little Chitandas crawling up his body?

Thats one of the best parts.
 

Jintor

Member
Well yeah, Soul Eater's central thing is kinda about working as a team, so pure independence would be contrary to its message.
 
Don't talk about shows you don't know about. Tuxedo Mask is supposed to be cool but entirely unreliable and undependable. He offers Usagi moral support, but ultimately it's up to her to do the heavy lifting.
I watched every episode of the TV series, you know... and S1 plays the trope really straight almost all of the time. They start varying things later on, certainly, but not at the beginning.

Why are you complaining about things you've never watched?
I've watched a fair amount of anime, but I don't think you need to watch every single series in order to say something as obvious as that anime is just about always full of sexism.
 
Ok no I thought I could but I can't. Brain Powerd is too bad. The awkward writing, the bad dialogue, the convoluted plot development and a shitty protag. And the funny isn't outweighing the bad. Dropped.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
I watched every episode of the TV series, you know... and S1 plays the trope really straight almost all of the time. They start varying things later on, certainly, but not at the beginning.
By your own admission, you didn't pay attention most of the time as it didn't "deserve it", and demonstrably failed to notice major details in episode plots. You didn't watch it, and now you're making laughably false assertions based on it.
 

survivor

Banned
KOR doesn't have bad characters, although Hikaru's voice is a bit much to take sometimes, and it's not really the plot progression either. It's that it'll push the status quo repeatedly, but each time kind of force things back to where they were. It's more frustrating than if it was never pushed in the first place.

Honestly the worst part about the series itself is that the main char is an indecisive fuck throughout all 48 episodes even though he likes best girl from the start.

But at least in the two movies the plot is resolved. So if it wasn't for the movies this series would be shitty for me, at least in romance.

feels like I'm about to go through a Nisekoi like experience all over again
 

Gbraga

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The art will definitely make tumblr's life easier, it's like they just applied the most used filters there and called it a day. It can look quite good at times, but at least for this first episode, it was mostly awful.

The incest thing was not as in your face as I expected either, and his sister is cute. I'm also fond of the protagonist, which is not that common (at least as far as LN adaptations go)

No Game No Life 1

Holy shit I love this. I honestly wasn't expecting much from this one, but it's giving me all the right vibes. Feels very much like the setup of Mondaiji, with crazy OP protagonists being pulled from their own boring world to a gambling-driven world where they can put their skills to good use. And I really liked that setup in Mondaiji, which is why I was a little disappointed when the series ended up kind of average when all was said and done. Something about the execution of this one makes me feel optimistic that it will fare better.

I love how completely broken the main characters are in terms of skills. I love the dynamic between them (in fact, perhaps my only disappointment here is that we probably won't see any more of them back in their room playing online games together, because the way they functioned together as a perfect team in that environment was kind of beautiful in a weird way). Obviously I love the loli (and I won't deny I appreciated the delicious fanservice shot jgminto was so kind as to link). And I love the prospect of a series driven by a variety of high-stakes games.

Oh, and the colour scheme is somewhere around GoHands-filter levels of ridiculous, yet somehow it works. Looks really...distinctive.

Actually, though I said "my only disappointment" up there, there was one more thing that disappointed me about this episode - how soon it seemed to end. I haven't seen an anime that made 24 minutes feel like it went by so fast in quite a while. Really looking forward to watching more of this next week.

I agree with almost everything. I'd just add my concern with where they'll take the plot. I mean, they clearly have no intention of going back to the real world, so where will the story go? What will be their objective? It was kinda clever of them to mention the most cliche reaction to the situation they were in, but they didn't provide any alternative so far.
 
By your own admission, you didn't pay attention most of the time as it didn't "deserve it", and demonstrably failed to notice major details in episode plots. You didn't watch it, and now you're making laughably false assertions based on it.
Oh come on, are you seriously arguing that in the first season Tuxedo Mask doesn't save her at the last moment over and over again? It's one of the major tropes of early in the series! That's something I'd heard of long before I ever watched the series at all, for sure.

As I said I like how the later seasons mix things up from that, though.

Also, seriously, you're still angry about that? Come on... I just didn't like the series as much as you do.

Well yeah, Soul Eater's central thing is kinda about working as a team, so pure independence would be contrary to its message.
True, and as I said it was mostly a pretty good series, but there were some parts where I thought it was being at least a bit sexist.
 

Eusis

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I dont believe they are nearly as restricted as dvds were.
Different regions, only I think 3 big regions than several smaller ones.

This may've bit NA in the ass however because companies like Aniplex (... likely mainly Aniplex) are worried about reverse importing, so prices go crazy high. WHO WANTS TO PAY $60 MINIMUM FOR PERSONA 3 THE MOVIE?
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I was thinking about a variety of games that don't limit themselves to videogames, but to be honest, I'd rather watch a poker anime than watch them play an MMO every episode, yeah.
Five card poker is terrible. By opening up to all games the show opens itself up to not having a grasp on any of them. I don't think the show will have any focus on strategy or the mechanical workings of any of the games played.
 

Gbraga

Member
Hey, just found out that Crunchyroll has Rurouni Kenshin subbed in their catalogue! That's really awesome! Can't wait to rewatch it.

Five card poker is terrible. By opening up to all games the show opens itself up to not having a grasp on any of them. I don't think the show will have any focus on strategy or the mechanical workings of any of the games played.

Oh, definitely, I don't expect that at all.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Oh come on, are you seriously arguing that in the first season Tuxedo Mask doesn't save her at the last moment over and over again? It's one of the major tropes of early in the series! That's something I'd heard of long before I ever watched the series at all, for sure.
Even throughout S1, he doesn't actually DO much, and he was never meant to. You're also talking about a show in which women control the universe.

Also, seriously, you're still angry about that? Come on...
I'm not angry about it. It's just the reason why you're wrong.
 

Jintor

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True, and as I said it was mostly a pretty good series, but there were some parts where I thought it was being at least a bit sexist, as far as characterizations.

Tsubaki is pretty typical, and the jokes about Marie looking for marriage were a bit traditionalist, and Blair is your typical 'lol sexpot' character (better in the manga, especially once they head into the book) but Soul, Maka, Liz, Patty and Kid as protag characters are pretty balanced.
 

Narag

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Did anyone post the latest round of Discotek release goodness? Here they are:



The only thing I'd be interested in picking up is maybe Sherlock Hound, but I wouldn't be averse to grabbing the Fatal Fury releases on a sale.

Edit: Whoops, spoke too soon. They added Hols, Prince of the Sun (Little Norse Prince) I guess. Possibly more to come...

Fatal Fury movie, come to me. Possibly Sherlock Hound too!
 
Tsubaki is pretty typical, and the jokes about Marie looking for marriage were a bit traditionalist, and Blair is your typical 'lol sexpot' character (better in the manga, especially once they head into the book) but Soul, Maka, Liz, Patty and Kid as protag characters are pretty balanced.
Yeah, those first three are the most stereotyped, but though you're right about the reason, a show emphasizing how reliant a woman is on a man is a very different thing, as far as perception goes, from the opposite scenario. Even if they seem similar, they aren't, not really...

Even throughout S1, he doesn't actually DO much, and he was never meant to. You're also talking about a show in which women control the universe.
Sure, but the Sailor team is supposed to be "super strong", but in most of the episodes in the first season, she almost loses and then he intervenes and saves her. That's a clear, direct example of sexism, and it's something I've seen pointed out as such many times. In the anime, Tuxedo Mask repeatedly saves Sailor Moon right as she's about to lose. That is what happened. (Remember, I'm only talking about the anime, not whatever the manga does; I have no knowledge of the manga, except that I know it's different.)

Anyway, just because women defend the universe and have superpowers doesn't mean that there isn't sexism. In that respect it's probably like the female writers thing -- it's hard to get away from the cultural elements that lead to sexist writing.

I'm not angry about it. It's just the reason why you're wrong.
If you weren't, why would you have brought that back up again? And I don't see how that has anything to do with the point I made. Even Wikipedia points this out: "The anime also tends to make him appear in every episode to save Sailor Moon's life."
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Sure, but the Sailor team is supposed to be "super strong", but in most of the episodes in the first season, she almost loses and then he intervenes and saves her. That's a clear, direct example of sexism, and it's something I've seen pointed out as such many times. In the anime, Tuxedo Mask repeatedly saves Sailor Moon right as she's about to lose. That is what happened. (Remember, I'm only talking about the anime, not whatever the manga does; I have no knowledge of the manga, except that I know it's different.)

Anyway, just because women defend the universe and have superpowers doesn't mean that there isn't sexism. In that respect it's probably like the female writers thing -- it's hard to get away from the cultural elements that lead to sexist writing.
No, Usagi sometimes stumbles and loses her confidence, but she's never unable. And like I said, most of the time Tuxedo Mask throws a rose, gives a line of encouragement, then bolts. How is that saving? He's pretty much Mr. Time Out.

And just because this shallow analysis isn't uncommon doesn't mean it's right.
 
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