Witcher 3 Director has left CD Projekt following allegations of workplace bullying
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Derktron
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I don't think that is how it works
kuncol02
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He was head of production of Cyberpunk.
Imru’ al-Qays
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Was he the guy who made the decision to launch the game a year early?
kiphalfton
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This is why you don't talk to anybody at work. They may take it personally, but these same people who take it personally will probably try and throw you under the bus and get you fired for anything more than that.
R6Rider
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This isn't even remotely true.
p_xavier
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Name me one non-woke inventor, that was life changer and I will reconsider my position on the new evidence.
Velius
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It's an unfortunate truth that nobody wants to really talk about. Some of the best things were made with very tight schedules, overworked people and asshole overseers
Hugare
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Bunch of people jumping to conclusions here, making a fool of themselves. Not surprised.
We dont know what he did, so guessing is just dumb.
The Witcher 3 wasnt a product from one mastermind like a Kojima game and etc. so whatever. They will find another talent to put on his position.
We dont know what he did, so guessing is just dumb.
The Witcher 3 wasnt a product from one mastermind like a Kojima game and etc. so whatever. They will find another talent to put on his position.
Sloth Guevara
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Waaaaaahhh! TeH eeevulls Sjaaajdooblllyouoos have forced him out/s
Fucking pathetic.
Fucking pathetic.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Remember when CDProjekt were the good guys?
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
No way he is innocent, if he would be there would be no reason to leave and furthermore for what is he apologizing then and saying that he needs to change. Change from innocent to guilty?
SF Kosmo
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He was promoted to executive after Witcher 3 wrapped, he is not still directing games.
And I have always heard that CDPR suffered from poor leadership, that they had a lot of people who had worked their way up in this outsider studio and didn't really know the industry standard way of doing things and pushed people around.
And when the games came out good that's one thing, but it's pretty clear after Cyberpunk's launch that their leadership mis creating problems. And they have a ton of top tier talent at the studio and I still loved CP2077 but I am not about to mourn the loss of a guy who was called out for being part of the problem.
BaneIsPain
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Not guilty so he's innocent right? So another loss for CDPR.
Cautiously optimistic about Witcher 4.
Cautiously optimistic about Witcher 4.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The guy also co-directed and led the production of Cyberpunk..
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
tbh, it all thanks to false marketing and also the popularity of witcher 3.Keep cryin, Miyazaki.
they got lucky this time, next time will be a different story.
plushyp
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Bo_Hazem
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Rikkori
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Y'all reading too much into this. To me it sounds like CDPR felt he was fine (probably because of his results) but he genuinely wasn't happy with how others perceived him so he left. Gotta see more high-profile cases of quitting/firing before we can draw conclusions about changes at CDPR.
Mozzarella
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Just few weeks ago one of the gameplay lead designers also left, who knows maybe more are following soon? i cant be sure if its for the good or for the bad though, the 3 writers that left after Witcher 3 clearly impacted the next game because i think Cyberpunk writing as a whole is not on the same level of the Witcher 2 and Witcher 3.
Sad situation imo, regardless if you feel they deserve it or not, this is a huge hit for WRPG/ARPG fans if this studio closes, who's left now? Obsidian? the new team made Outer Worlds but i dont think its more than a decent game, and Bethesda are not doing good either. Probably only Larian at this point. This may create a situation similar to Anime. Where the lack of good titles will make mediocre ones shine and receive praise like they are one of the great, when reality is they are just the decent one among piles of mediocrity/trash.
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Barakov
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Agreed. If The Witcher 4 comes out and is shit, we'll know why.
Varteras
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Stuff like this is why I always tell people to temper themselves when it comes to hype. Even a development team who seems like a sure bet can release a mess of a product. Whether it was their fault or not. If people would have been legit gambling on CDPR to put out another GOTY title, so many would have lost their asses on this one. "How can Blizzard fuck up Diablo 3 or a Warcraft 3 remaster? How can Bethesda fuck up Fallout 76? How can Santa Monica Studio fuck up God of War: Ascension? How can Bioware fuck up Mass Effect Andromeda or Anthem"? It happens. More often than people want to remember and sometimes it's the same studio multiple times.
mxbison
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One doesn't exclude the other though.
You can have a screaming and toxic boss who is still full of bullshit, lies, and hypocrisy.
TheMay30thMan
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Kinda weird how the headline paints the man as guilty while also saying he was found as not guilty.
Eliciel
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At the end of the day in future it will only be important whether or not the next games are being received well among gamers.
This will define reputation, sales, stock. The gamings' industry criterion is the game that we play and if that's going to be a good one no one will care if Peter, Marcin, Selma or Britney wrote the story or scripted the cutscenes.
This will define reputation, sales, stock. The gamings' industry criterion is the game that we play and if that's going to be a good one no one will care if Peter, Marcin, Selma or Britney wrote the story or scripted the cutscenes.
captainnapalm
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This is the impression I got as well. Seems like CDPR would have let him stay, but he chose to move on because of the bad blood.
It is starting to look like the golden age of CDPR that led to the Witcher trilogy probably isn't going to be repeated, though. I enjoyed Cyberpunk more than most, judging by the online reaction, but it clearly had a very troubled development and it's not on par with the Witcher 3. And they've lost quite a bit of their original talent now.
And I don't know what to expect from Cyberpunk. I still think the game could have legs if they add in a lot of extra content as has been rumored, and if they spend more time whipping the game's open world elements into shape - especially with next-gen console versions still to come - but things are moving at an absolute snail's pace and those seem like big ifs right now. Witcher 3 has more players on Steam at the moment than Cyberpunk, which says a lot.
Looking more and more like the Witcher games are going to be a moment captured in time. At least we'll always have them. Ray-traced Witcher 3 is still probably the game I'm looking forward to most this year.
roosnam1980
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rockstar games should buy cdpr.
Especially if they are completely lazy, inept and incompetent? And trying to cover up their inadequacies by being toxic around the work place.
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If he was effective at getting things done you would think Witcher 3 wouldn't have been delayed so many times and also been so buggy at release? And how about Cyberpunk how was that so catastrophically mismanaged?
There are studios where people work hard without a toxic work environment. Places like Nintendo, Valve and Blizzard.
Tbh we do not really hear anything regarding work practices or ethics in Japanese dev studios. Maybe the way they function or treat / put pressure on their employees would make any occidental dev flee in a hurry, we really don't know.
As for Valve or Blizzard, they are not really studios that are reaching for the stars anymore, so pressure must be lower than for the top dogs that try to put out GOTY tier games for any single release (ND, Rockstar, CDPR, etc.. which are the studios we hear the most about employees mistreatment/ hard working conditions). Even then, recent news show us that Blizzard must not be the most joyful place to work in at the moment, even if it is maybe not directly related to the day-to-day people management.
I mean, for example EA is well known to treat their employees very well but they release really safe, iterative and low innovation products, so they do not have to push very hard.
Mind you, I am absolutely NOT saying that it is healthy nor that you have to put a lot of pressure and milk your employees 7/7 to get out stellar products, especially in the long run. Insomniac seems to do fairly well for example. But the balance is harder to find when you try to push the boundaries and be ahead of the curve every single time.
cormack12
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He stuck around to clear his name then move on. Typical media coverage. This thing happened after this thing. So they must be related - because we are in the know - taps nose suspiciously. At this stage I don't know why he just doesn't write for the Daily Mail or something. They'd love his shit.
My honest opinion is that the studio got a bit egotistical after all the love following Witcher III and thought they could pull off an impossible game. A game that only the likes of R* with their pedigree or - to an extent - Ubisoft with their experience and resources could probably do justice to. As a result, some things took way, way longer and all the heavy lifting was probably done by that very small of top end programming talent which was a bottleneck.
Naturally pressures, arguments, timelines, money would all burst out at various times over the course of an 8 year project. Conflict is a healthy part of leadership.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Bullying does happen, and is not acceptable.
That being said, there are bullies and there are assholes. The willingness to be an asshole is actually pretty important, because noone respects or more pertinently wants weak leadership.
Truthfully the problem is that sometimes people need to get shouted at in order to make them sit-up and pay attention. Therefore expecting every creative lead to be perfectly politically correct in dealing with their subordinates is not only a hefty ask, but an additional source of stress in an already stressful position.
Its a recipe for disaster.
Especially when the reality is that if your "face doesn't fit" within any organization, you're likely on borrowed time anyway. Noone's going to stop cliques and cabals being formed by like-minded people in positions of power, its how people are.
That being said, there are bullies and there are assholes. The willingness to be an asshole is actually pretty important, because noone respects or more pertinently wants weak leadership.
Truthfully the problem is that sometimes people need to get shouted at in order to make them sit-up and pay attention. Therefore expecting every creative lead to be perfectly politically correct in dealing with their subordinates is not only a hefty ask, but an additional source of stress in an already stressful position.
Its a recipe for disaster.
Especially when the reality is that if your "face doesn't fit" within any organization, you're likely on borrowed time anyway. Noone's going to stop cliques and cabals being formed by like-minded people in positions of power, its how people are.
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cormack12
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Fair. I agree.
I'm curious if you'd class yourself as an asshole in the above analogy. I would class myself as so. I'm wondering if it's because I fall into that category though.
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Roni
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Burying your head in the sand, c'mon... That's no solution.I don't believe that and like I said you can't buy the game from everywhere
