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With Wii-Cafe, is it time for Mario and classic Nintendo franchise to evolve?
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DICKS AHOY
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Because it worked brilliantly for Sonic the Hedgehog!
Combichristoffersen
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beast786 said:
Nothing wrong in wanting them to develop new IPs targeting a mature audience, but the desire for 'mature' games based on IPs originally targeting children is what brought us Shadow the Hedgehog.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Nirolak said:
The thing that I question is how much longer can Nintendo keep making new Zelda and Mario games without the fanbase, even the hardcore fans of the respective series', getting tired of them?
They have shown they can go this long, and that people still want great Zelda games, but in reality I can't see those franchises continuing to pump out games forever.
Nintendo is an oddity, they are one of the few companies that can use the same characters and series' over and over without people saying they are milking the franchises.
People get angry when they hear about more Halo or CoD or Assassin's Creed, yet how many games has the Mario series had? How many more has he been featured in? Dozens. I just wonder how long that can continue, and why newer franchises get called out for milking when Nintendo does not.
Just my two cents.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
After Galaxy, you want Mario to evolve? Seriously? You are looking for something else. Give up on Mario games. Please. If you have gotten to 38 and now realize they are not your cup of tea, just give it up. The kids tell me Call of Duty is the best ever.
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I would quit gaming if Mario became gritty
The sketches in the op are depressing
The sketches in the op are depressing
beast786 said:
Your definition of what's broad and narrow is fucked up
Deadly Cyclone said:The thing that I question is how much longer can Nintendo keep making new Zelda and Mario games without the fanbase, even the hardcore fans of the respective series', getting tired of them?
They have shown they can go this long, and that people still want great Zelda games, but in reality I can't see those franchises continuing to pump out games forever.
Nintendo is an oddity, they are one of the few companies that can use the same characters and series' over and over without people saying they are milking the franchises.
People get angry when they hear about more Halo or CoD or Assassin's Creed, yet how many games has the Mario series had? How many more has he been featured in? Dozens. I just wonder how long that can continue, and why newer franchises get called out for milking when Nintendo does not.
Just my two cents.
We'll take games that play the same in the same series in 2 different series :
Super Mario Bros :
1987 -> 2011
6 differents games
Halo :
2001 -> 2011
5 games
Yeah....wanna try CoD?
Dr.Palutena
Member
beast786 said:
because your concept of mature and evolution is hard to agree with by many. no body is arguing against nintendo making new ips.
Fourth Storm
Member
I'd like to see some of Nintendo's teams experiment in this way. They don't have to go overboard with the "mature" themes, but something a bit more realistic such as Uncharted would be fun to see. Nintendo's comprehension of controls and game mechanics should translate nicely to any setting.
If they don't get EAD or one of their in-house teams to do so, I believe they should consider an acquisition. If it doesn't work out, they can always sell them off later, ala Rare, and make a few million in the process. But given Nintendo's success last generation, I think it would be a mistake to not consider expanding some, so they can compete with Sony's vast network of 2nd party development houses. They just have not been able to keep up release-wise at their current size.
If they don't get EAD or one of their in-house teams to do so, I believe they should consider an acquisition. If it doesn't work out, they can always sell them off later, ala Rare, and make a few million in the process. But given Nintendo's success last generation, I think it would be a mistake to not consider expanding some, so they can compete with Sony's vast network of 2nd party development houses. They just have not been able to keep up release-wise at their current size.
Princess Skittles
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But has ANYBODY done that though?Deadly Cyclone said:
I mean, popular characters in today's games like Nathan Drake are doomed to be throw-aways who will be forgotten in the next generation or so. They're "of the moment" characters. It's not so easy to just create something that is considered timeless and to be honest, Nintendo probably got lucky in creating so damn many of them so early on in their history.
ScrabbleDude
Member
hahahahahaha, evolution? That is some seriously devolved art there.
You know, I feel that in the past few years, my gaming tastes have changed quite a bit, and I've kind of fell out of the target audience for games like Zelda and (hurgh) what Metroid has become. But ultimately, I don't think I really want Nintendo to change its focus. They know their wheelhouse, and they stick with it because their fans love it.
I don't ever want Mario platformers or Mario Kart to ever really "evolve" or change. To me, Nintendo is like AC/DC; I know exactly what to expect, and it's not what I listen to all of the time, but when I have that itch, I know how perfectly to scratch it.
I don't ever want Mario platformers or Mario Kart to ever really "evolve" or change. To me, Nintendo is like AC/DC; I know exactly what to expect, and it's not what I listen to all of the time, but when I have that itch, I know how perfectly to scratch it.
beast786 said:
Nintendo is perfectly happy evolving separately from the rest of the "Gaming Age". Their philosophy is not to go with the flow but to break from it.
Also... You're 13 aren't you? I refuse to believe a 38 year old who's favorite game is/was SMB3 could see things this way.
It's not ok to start a sentence with the word but by the way. Been a while sense I've corrected someone's grammar but, there it is.
Iwatas Magic Sports Coat
Member
This was a joke thread right?
anyway, sometime last year Miyamoto was quoted as saying that 2011 will be the year they introduce new IPs and characters. We'll see what they have in store come E3.
I'd die a little if they ever had a mature art style Mario game.
anyway, sometime last year Miyamoto was quoted as saying that 2011 will be the year they introduce new IPs and characters. We'll see what they have in store come E3.
I'd die a little if they ever had a mature art style Mario game.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
My best friend is a first grade teacher. Kids today are still obsessed with Mario, her kids will sing the tune of Peach's castle.Deadly Cyclone said:
Nintendo is just fine. Their games are the kind that easily pick up new fans.
Fourth Storm
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Princess Skittles said:
Nintendo have a boatload of recognizable characters in the Pokemon. Besides Pikachu, they have not really tried capitalizing on any spin-offs AFAIK. A Pokemon platformer has the potential to be huge. Maybe not what the people in this thread are looking for, but I'm willing to swallow my pride for any Nintendo platformer.
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Is he serious? Did he reply somewhere in this mess of a thread? 38? What?
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I'll take my whimsical 3D platformers over the tripe that passes as "mature" these days, thank you very much.
Now theres some mature, story-driven themes and atmosphere that I can derive emotional attachement from.Michan said:
A sneak peak at next-gen Mario?
Excuse while I go weep in a corner because the mature gritty story is so deep
Well considering you made the base from which the discussion is derived from and proceeded to litter it with awful examples and a flawed premise, I'm not sure what you were expecting.beast786 said:
(also you can stop the charade, we all know that "some kid" is you.)
Iwatas Magic Sports Coat
Member
ultron87 said:
They already have dude. The Prime series is a visual masterpiece IMO that even look good compared to the HD games.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Beast786 is spot on.
If it wasn't for visionaries like him, willing to push infantile IPs to mature new heights, we wouldn't have Shadow the Hedgehog, BMX XXX and of course, the masterful Bomberman: Act Zero.
Keep pushing Beast786, Nintendo will have to concede that you are right in the end.
If it wasn't for visionaries like him, willing to push infantile IPs to mature new heights, we wouldn't have Shadow the Hedgehog, BMX XXX and of course, the masterful Bomberman: Act Zero.
Keep pushing Beast786, Nintendo will have to concede that you are right in the end.
ScrabbleDude
Member
Concept art by some kid that you put forward as an example of the type of evolution you'd like to see.beast786 said:
Nintendo is continually evolving the Mario gameplay and they are doing an excellent job of it. They seem well aware of the fact that they need to look after their golden goose so it will keep producing.
Cow Mengde
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beast786 said:
You also started by telling us you're 38 years old.
Blegh, this is like one of those post where someone ask for a story in Mario, it always makes me angry. If you want story in a mario game, play the rpgs, they're amazing.
When nintendo tries to add some kind of story in a platforming mario you end up with Sunshine and mediocre characters like bowser junior :/
Also, none of the game cited as example of "evolution" sold nearly as good as mainline Mario games, that would be a stupid economical move to make mario as "mature" as those :/
When nintendo tries to add some kind of story in a platforming mario you end up with Sunshine and mediocre characters like bowser junior :/
Also, none of the game cited as example of "evolution" sold nearly as good as mainline Mario games, that would be a stupid economical move to make mario as "mature" as those :/
I don't see Uncharted and inFamous as "evolutions" of Jak and Sly at all. And Resistance sure as hell isn't an evolution of Ratchet & Clank. They're entire different games with a couple of elements borrowed from the developers previous works.
I would not object to Nintendo making new IPs in this way. They wouldn't be "evolutions", but they could be very interesting. But the notion of making Mario grittier or more realistic is ridiculous. Just look at what happened to Sonic when he went down that road.
I would not object to Nintendo making new IPs in this way. They wouldn't be "evolutions", but they could be very interesting. But the notion of making Mario grittier or more realistic is ridiculous. Just look at what happened to Sonic when he went down that road.
Deadly Cyclone said:
A) Their characters are vehicles for them to explore new gameplay concepts and presentations. It isn't really like Halo where you know you're playing the exact same game because it has Halo on the cover.
B) Enough time passes between main game releases that the people who are familiar with their franchises don't easily grow tired of it and they have a new stable of new fans to introduce themselves too. The fact that they manage to pull off this strategy every few years or so to great success is pretty noteworthy.
C) Those games are really good. Sometimes that's all you need.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Alrus said:
I don't know, I thought the story was hilariously bad. You know, so bad it's good. I wouldn't mind another stupid plot like that for shits and giggles. Then again, maybe the CAN add a Mario and Luigi style story into a Mario platformer.
I am a 38 year old message boar user, who started foruming since usenet and joined every single forum and upgraded my PC until this Generation.
We have seen GameFAQs and IGN evolve there content when they entered into HD.
Propose NeoGAF evolve:
Question?
Is it time for mature GAF?
We have seen GameFAQs and IGN evolve there content when they entered into HD.
Propose NeoGAF evolve:
Question?
Is it time for mature GAF?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So you are the crazy one who wants this kind of "evolution"? So I'm all right to put all the blame for this evolution:beast786 said:I am a 38 year old gamer, who started gaming since pong and bought every single console and upgraded my PC until this Generation (No 360).
For the first time I will not buy a Nintendo Console on Day 1. It seems my taste has evolve. Games that I used to enjoy are not that entertaining anymore. Super Mario 3 was my favorite game of all time, not anymore.
I like my games now with narratives and some type of emotion attachment and just mature atmosphere, with at least an attempt at the story.
We have seen Sony and MS evolve there content when they entered into HD.
Sucker Punch evolve:
To
Naughty Dog Evolve:
To
Insomniac Games Added:
Without loosing its Identity, is it possible for Nintendo franchise to evolve. Or at least start new IP with power of Wii2 to cater to people like me.
I saw someone sketch possible of evolution:
I know mario has legs and games have been amazing. But I have evolve and if Nintendo does not, than I wont be there.
Question?
Is it time for mature mario?
and
on you? Thank you.
From The Dust
Banned
Alrus said:
Super Mario Galaxy's story book
best story in the series. it also cemented Rosalina as a very memorable character
Worst fucking idea I've ever heard in my life. I don't want infamous or uncharted, I want my Sly Cooper back. I want Suckerpunch to 'devolve.' Nintendo should never start doing shit as you describe OP. Nintendo is pretty perfect with the way they are now, only things they need to work on are online multiplayer, and reviving old franchises while keeping them fresh. They have been doing the latter but I want more old franchises even if it's through the use of 3DSware or 'Cafeware' downloadable games. Anything other than that can be left to all the other developers so that the dude-bro crowd can be happy, i.e. you OP.
Mama Robotnik
Member
OP, have you actually played Super Mario Galaxy 2?
Its the most perfectly engineered platformer of our era, and you'd deprive yourself of its content because its not got a badly-written voice-acted story with guns, connected through a series of disjointed cutscenes, held together with swearing, blood, bullets and grit?
As a gamer, that's kind of like commiting a crime against yourself.
Its the most perfectly engineered platformer of our era, and you'd deprive yourself of its content because its not got a badly-written voice-acted story with guns, connected through a series of disjointed cutscenes, held together with swearing, blood, bullets and grit?
As a gamer, that's kind of like commiting a crime against yourself.
ScrabbleDude
Member
In addition to this, their spinoff games feature radically different gameplay. Like Mario Kart, Mario Golf, or Mario Tennis. Where Halo: Reach -- as one example -- is still the same Halo gameplay.jman2050 said: