With Wii-Cafe, is it time for Mario and classic Nintendo franchise to evolve?
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FieryBalrog
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Instead of the dumb question about when Mario will "mature", we should ask when will Nintendo stop retreading its franchises endlessly
Lijik said:
Ah yes. Question marks would help. Beast, might want to have a mod update your questions section with those additional ones. I think the "is it time for mature mario" just killed the message of the OP. An alternative way to ask is "How do you think Mario will evolve with Project Cafe"?
Rahxephon91
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I would honestly like Nintendo to create more "mature" games, but I don't mean mature as gritty and DARK. I mean create games that do have a bit more story and aim for an older demographic and not for everybody. I don't think this has to be done with their old ips, but they do have some the could do this. It was one of the reasons I was drawn to Other M, because it looked like Nintendo was backing a more serious and less gamey game. That did'nt work out so well, but it was one of the few Nintendo games I was interested in. Xenoblade is the other and its really what I would like Nintendo to do more off. Serious gamer games for "older" audiences. Just games like this every ounce in a while would be fine by me.
NotebookJ2
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Kaijima said:
Ah, funny you should mention JRPGs.
See, I've always had an issue with the term "growing up" in any sense, because the majority of the time it's always end up with the mess the OP is putting out [regardless of whether or not he's actually serious to begin with]. When applied to JRPGs, all one is really doing is replacing one tired cliche [bishies] with another [dudebros], which may help with sells temporarily, but won't solve the issue that JRPGs [and all video games for the matter] suffer from.
True, JRPGs need to change, but I honestly believe that this change is not as extreme as people seem to make it. It's not even a case of having to make things into a cinematic masterpiece as some have mistakenly thought [though I don't think it's necessarily bad to try to do so, I just don't think it's the "thing" that made people like JRPGs in the first place]. Unfortunately, what I'm trying to say here is really conjecture at this point. I don't have any clue whether or not my own ideas for where the genre should head will really be successful, but it is something that I have seen very few games try to do, and something that has the capability of being something much more bigger than seeing some grizzled "mature" war veteran and his friends save the world from some dark demon.
As for the actual topic, it's the main reason why I never take the phrases "growing up," "mature" and well, "adult" seriously anymore. Or at least, they mean something a lot different from what I've come to believe.
Davey Cakes
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Definitely. As I tried to convey with my point about Nintendo's "Wii ___" line, maturity through social acceptability/playability makes more sense than maturity through grittiness.Roto13 said:
I think that the whole "mature" thing has been misunderstood for years. If anything, someone's incapability to play anything other than titles rated "M" due to feeling too old for cartoonish games is a better sign of immaturity than someone's enjoyment of Nintendo's lighthearted games. I was made fun of in middle school for liking Animal Crossing as opposed to liking GTA. If I was made fun of now for liking Animal Crossing (or any Nintendo game) when I'm in my twenties, I'd honestly think the person was an immature prick.
DeaconKnowledge
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beast786 said:
Why not just buy:
A 360
A PS3
A PC
instead of insisting than an entire corporation change their culture just to suit you?
"i like Nintendo, but i don't like their games. Somebody make them change".
Both have been extensively answered well enough, however.beast786 said:
1) Yes, Nintendo evolves pretty much all of it's current IPs. Changing themes/setting isn't as much evolution as evolving actual gameplay. Would you accept Mario if it played exactly like Super Mario 64, but with grimdark graphics? That's certainly evolution...for all the wrong reasons. It misses the point on what a video game is.
2) Nintendo consistently publishes new IPs (but none are really that successful) but to answer your question, it'll depend on how things turn out. Nintendo COULD make a grimdark IP, but they probably don't want to.
SonicMegaDrive
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beast786 said:
Nintendo does well for itself to serve a particular niche.
Generally, when people feel they have outgrown the style that Nintendo has to offer, they jump ship to Microsoft or Sony.
I will say also, that I went through my own period where I jumped ship from Nintendo to Sega, because I wasn't happy with the cutesy-poo, family-oriented image they were offering. I was in my teens, and I felt I needed something a little more 'adult'. That's just how teenagers are, shallow and thickheaded. By the time I was in college, I no longer had this problem, and became accepting of Nintendo-styled games again, in addition to "mature" games. Some point along the way, I decided that I was only interested in games that were simply fun to play, and I no longer only looked for games to play that didn't threaten my manhood in some artificial way. Because I was more confident in myself by the time I was out of puberty.
Some people don't outgrow these reservations, unfortunately.
King of the Potato People
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If beast786 is joking, then his mission succeeded because I laughed shamelessly at the 'mature' mario. Would Monsters Inc have been superior if all the monsters looked as if they strolled out from Pan's Labyrinth?
Although Link did evolve.
Eventually Nintendo returned to this style...
... and it was awesome.
Although Link did evolve.
Eventually Nintendo returned to this style...
... and it was awesome.
JasonUresti
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The type of thinking demonstrated by BeastMode99999 leads down the same path that changed American super hero comics from high selling, all ages material with mainstream recognition, into low selling, corrupted niche products selling to an ever shrinking audience of man babies that refuse to read anything but super hero comics, and demand that an entire genre twist and change itself to fit their highly specific tastes.
The preceding sentence was edited and endorsed by H.P. Lovecraft.
The preceding sentence was edited and endorsed by H.P. Lovecraft.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Perhaps this is all just an elaborate attempt at account suicide.
SonicMegaDrive said:
I think with Wii2 they have an opportunity to capture that market also. They have all the talent in there internal studios.
Even though wii was launched after 360/PS3, you see wii2. And from business point of view the 3rd party would not support.
I think part of the reason for high spec wii2 is to compete with PS3/360 for that market .
I'm 45. So when I sustain brain damage and forget the last 7 years, I'll understand*.
On a more serious note, should Nintendo take on more "mature" content? I'd certainly be curious to see what they'd do with it, but it's not something that Nintendo has to do to survive. As others have noted, they've certainly solidified themselves as the providers of content for all-ages, a la Pixar. They could go after the "mature" market, but I'd worry it come at a cost to their all-age market, either through less development resources or to a hit to their public image. Imagine if Pixar put out an R-rated animated movie. While it would certainly appeal to some, it could also cause irreparable damage to the family-friendly brand that Pixar has. Nintendo is known as a provider of family-friendly content, even with stuff like Eternal Darkness and Disaster. I don't know if they want to really risk that image by taking a more "mature" route.
I'm also not sure how much they want to get into a market where they have little expertise and that is extremely competitive, risky, and requires a huge investment, while they have a much less competitive and solid market where they've already laid out their roots. I know that if I'm looking at the competitive landscape, I'd rather be going up against stuff like de Blob, Super Meat Boy, LBP, Sonic Colors, etc instead of having to go against RDR, Gears of War, Halo, Uncharted, GTA, Call of Duty, etc (yes, I know those are from different genres, but they all generally appeal to the same audience).
*Note: I'm actually 27, but was surprised no one had yet taken this route.
Edit: Actually, you know what I want Nintendo to tackle? Space sims and secret agent first person games, a la Thief and NOLF. No particular reason why, just that I want to see those genres return.
On a more serious note, should Nintendo take on more "mature" content? I'd certainly be curious to see what they'd do with it, but it's not something that Nintendo has to do to survive. As others have noted, they've certainly solidified themselves as the providers of content for all-ages, a la Pixar. They could go after the "mature" market, but I'd worry it come at a cost to their all-age market, either through less development resources or to a hit to their public image. Imagine if Pixar put out an R-rated animated movie. While it would certainly appeal to some, it could also cause irreparable damage to the family-friendly brand that Pixar has. Nintendo is known as a provider of family-friendly content, even with stuff like Eternal Darkness and Disaster. I don't know if they want to really risk that image by taking a more "mature" route.
I'm also not sure how much they want to get into a market where they have little expertise and that is extremely competitive, risky, and requires a huge investment, while they have a much less competitive and solid market where they've already laid out their roots. I know that if I'm looking at the competitive landscape, I'd rather be going up against stuff like de Blob, Super Meat Boy, LBP, Sonic Colors, etc instead of having to go against RDR, Gears of War, Halo, Uncharted, GTA, Call of Duty, etc (yes, I know those are from different genres, but they all generally appeal to the same audience).
*Note: I'm actually 27, but was surprised no one had yet taken this route.
Edit: Actually, you know what I want Nintendo to tackle? Space sims and secret agent first person games, a la Thief and NOLF. No particular reason why, just that I want to see those genres return.
Polyphony said:
Mario certainly doesn't need more voiced dialogue, as it's been stated he's an avatar for gameplay more than a full fledged character with deep motives and fleshed out past. Making him talk would alienate a lot of people.
Zelda is more debatable but I just can't imagine Link talking in a way that wouldn't sound bad for me =/ (Note that having all characters speak but him would feel weird too).
Do you mean that you don't think third parties won't support Cafe?beast786 said:
Why do you think this? We already have Ubisoft announcing that it's going to just port over its games, I don't see why other third parties won't follow suit. Especially during launch when you can make just about anything sell.
At the same time these weren't internally developed, and not "high-note" releases for lack of a better, more sensible term.pslong009 said:
King of the Potato People
Member
Still you never know with Nintendo.
Chet Rippo
Member
I don't see a reason to "evolve" Mario or any other of Nintendo's franchises. Metroid for the most part seems to fit the "mature" style you ask for in the OP anyways. And it's not like none of their games would benefit from better graphics. Just think of Pikmin and how that game would look in the next generation.
CornBurrito
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beast786 said:
1) Yes, and they do. They aren't evolving the way you want them to (baldspacemarine evolution), but they are evolving.
2) I don't think they do. Let the third party developers handle that shit. Nintendo should focus on what it does best, making games that are fun for all age groups.
Mama Robotnik
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beast786 said:
I've asked you questions repeatedly throughout the thread, you have ignored each and every one of them. You made an absurd proposal in the OP for Nintendo to reimagine Mario through an asinine lense of supposed maturity. When questioned on it, you have nonspecifically elaborated that your entire thread was really about suggesting Nintendo produce new IPs. Its no surprise that you won't answer my questions, answers would require consistency.
I googled your username to see if you've made any similar threads, just out of curiousity. What I did find is a thread so bad it got locked and mocked on IGN of all places. Amazing stuff.
SonicMegaDrive
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Alrus said:
Personally, I think Mario talks too much as it is.
I prefer Link being mute because I also like to think of him as an avatar for gameplay, like Mario. But I know some people who are much more dedicated to the story and characters of the series probably feel differently.
PetriP-TNT
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The OP is either the best or the worst OP ever.
Not sure if serious.
Not sure if serious.
olimpia84
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beast786 said:
They already did. It's been asked about 100 times already in this thread but have you played Super Mario Galaxy?? It's funny how you keep ignoring that question.
They do have the occasional new games like Steel Diver, Pikmin, Xenoblade, etc. and if you're not happy because they're not "mature" enough for you then play a different console and problem is solved?
It's not about being defensive, the problem is that you presented this in such an idiotic way that is hard to believe you are actually being serious.
SonicMegaDrive
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Lijik said:
The Karate Kid had a great soundtrack, though I'm more partial to 'The Moment of Truth', myself.
also: hahaha
Is that his Youtube account? Says he's 27 years old.Lijik said:
So basically, beast786, you're 27/38 of your own age.
There's also this but it might not actually be as hilarious. Seems pretty real.
EDIT: And not to over-detectivise, his PSU profile claims he is 57 years old, so I wouldn't really trust any age report here.
Mama Robotnik
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Lijik said:
Oh my god.
Combichristoffersen
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Count Dookkake
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Lijik said:
fixed and holy shit.
Cow Mengde
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About this point... Nintendo does have an IP like that. They've had an IP like this for 21 years now. It's just that nobody buys their games, or they never made it outside of Japan. Nintendo is the only company off the top of my head that has a character's birth a result of rape by an unfaithful man. These IPs do exist and are made by Nintendo. Whether the west is mature enough to handle it is another matter.