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[Bobby Roberts]

Pretty sure that's why they started publicly beefing while 8 was shooting, isn't it?

(yes, I know some people are convinced it's some Wrestlemania shit, but I dunno about all that)

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I'm curious to see how this December goes. Six wide release films are scheduled the week after Star Wars Ep8

• Downsizing (Par.) - 12/22
• Jumanji (2017) (Sony) - 12/22
• Pitch Perfect 3 (Uni.) - 12/22
• The Six Billion Dollar Man (W/Dim.) - 12/22
• The Story of Ferdinand (Fox/Blue Sky) - 12/22
• Untitled PG-13 Comedy (WB) - 12/22

I'd bet on one of them moving. Pitch Perfect 3 seems pretty random considering how big the second was in May.

Jumanji releasing a week after Star Wars is a very Sony move.

 

[kswiston]

I wonder which of their 2016 films Disney Animation had pegged as the bigger earner going into the year. I have to imagine that no one was expecting $1B for Zootopia.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Just saw Hidden figures today. Figured after two weeks if wide release it would it be crowded. I was wrong! Movie deserves the success.

 

[Ridley327]

You bet, shoots in a couple of weeks if I'm remembering correctly!

Edit: Just checked, last check-in article is February or early March. But Pesci keeps holding out, while Scorsese states he can get him back in.

You would think that of any director out there that Pesci would immediately say yes to Scorsese alone, but maybe he's been enjoying his quasi-retirement too much.

 

[kswiston]

I'd bet on one of them moving. Pitch Perfect 3 seems pretty random considering how big the second was in May.

Jumanji releasing a week after Star Wars is a very Sony move.

Downsizing could probably platform release for a week or two. I think that the 6 Billion Dollar Man is trying to repeat what Daddy's Home did in 2015. Pitch Perfect 3 is counter programming. Ferdinand is animation. Who knows what WB plans to do with that slot.

 

[GabeTheGrouch76]

Disney should buy Illumination (if they could): Smaller budgets, bigger box office.

Looking forward to Despicable Me 3.

Illumination isn't independent, they are owned by Universal.

Kid's films have been bulletproof.

Unless you're Laika.

Kubo deserved better.

 

[kswiston]

You would think that of any director out there that Pesci would immediately say yes to Scorsese alone, but maybe he's been enjoying his quasi-retirement too much.

He's 73. Maybe Love Ranch was his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

 

[Schlorgan]

I wonder which of their 2016 films Disney Animation had pegged as the bigger earner going into the year. I have to imagine that no one was expecting $1B for Zootopia.

I'm sure they pegged (correctly) Finding Dory as the big animated earner for them, but with Zootopia's lower budget, I bet it blew whatever expectations they had for it out of the water.

 

[kswiston]

I'm sure they pegged (correctly) Finding Dory as the big animated earner for them, but with Zootopia's sub-$100 million budget, I bet it blew whatever expectations they had for it out of the water.

Dory was Pixar. I was just referring to Zootopia vs Moana.


Also, I think Zootopia was closer to $150M, not that it matters a ton.

 

[Schlorgan]

Dory was Pixar. I was just referring to Zootopia vs Moana.


Also, I think Zootopia was closer to $150M, not that it matters a ton.

Yeah, I realized that after the fact. xD

I can see them thinking that Moana would win between those two. The budgets are similar, but they put Moana out in the same time slot Frozen came out in; they were probably looking for Frozen numbers.

I'll take Moana doing as well as it did considering the last time Disney did a Hawaii-centric movie, it did only ok, yet inexplicably got like three more movies, one more show, and a damn anime

The last time they made a Hawaii-centric movie, it was the best movie they've ever made, so where do you go from there?

 

[BronsonLee]

I'll take Moana doing as well as it did considering the last time Disney did a Hawaii-centric movie, it did only ok, yet inexplicably got like three more movies, one more show, and a damn anime

 

[eternalcircle]

Very happy to see Split doing so well! I've been rooting for Shyamalan's comeback. I generally enjoy his movies, even the not so great ones. Except for Lady in the Water... but I like to pretend that doesn't exist.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I'll take Moana doing as well as it did considering the last time Disney did a Hawaii-centric movie, it did only ok, yet inexplicably got like three more movies, one more show, and a damn anime

And a ride at Disneyland and a level in Kingdom Hearts.

Pretty sure all that was spite over Minority Report beating it's OW by like, 300k.

 

[AdventureRacing]

XXX looks to be underperforming in the US but it will need up with respectable numbers WW (especially if china likes it which having seen the movie I think they might). I agree with those saying Vin isn't a draw outside of F & F and even then I'm not sure he's the draw. However a Spy movie based on extreme sports is a pretty tough sell. I'd say it's going o make a decent amount WW considering. Especially when you consider its fucking awful.

Also does anyone know if split is getting a wide release in most overseas territories? It releases this week in Australia and I'm hoping it gets a wide releases. Often times movies like this only show in a select few cinemas.

 

[kswiston]

Pretty sure all that was spite over Minority Report beating it's OW by like, 300k.

Speaking of that, Sing is now officially the highest grossing film to never win a weekend.

RIP MBFGW

 

[3N16MA]

It is absolutely disgusting that Sing is outgrossing Moana here.

Illumination cutting into Disney. Everything they touch turns to gold and they do it with a sub 80M production budget.

Also DM3 drops two weeks after Cars 3. Illumination will do it again.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I like to think that Shyamalan knew what he was doing with The Happening and everyone was in on the joke that it was just a B-movie. It's hammy and corny with a dumb premise and dumber script, but filled with actors and filmmakers who know their way around an actual quality picture.

So I don't know what in living hell happened with The Last Airbender and After Earth. I guess he just can't handle a big budget picture. Lady in the Water was crap too, but at a smaller budget level, he's had more hits than misses quality-wise.

Glad to see him back on top with Split.

 

[Dabanton]

It is absolutely disgusting that Sing is outgrossing Moana here.

Shouldn't be a surprise Sing was running incessant 10 sec commercials. Using familiar songs as it's hook, it's simple but incrediblly effective. As it nailed the name of the movie into people's heads

 

[3N16MA]

Shouldn't be a surprise Sing was running incessant 10 sec commercials. Using familiar songs as it's hook, it's simple but incrediblly effective. As it nailed the name of the movie into people's heads

Illumination has small production budgets and then markets like crazy. Seems to be working.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I feel like I'm crazy but I don't think M.Knight is back at all. Split was dumb as hell (specifically the ending/twist if you want to call it that).

 

[More_Badass]

I had no idea The Visit did so well. How in the world did that movie make $100 million?

I feel like I'm crazy but I don't think M.Knight is back at all. Split was dumb as hell (specifically the ending/twist if you want to call it that).

Split spoiler:

Spoiler

It's a super-villain movie. The ending pretty much re-contextualizes the whole thing. It's a villain origin movie in a world where people have superpowers

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I had no idea The Visit did so well. How in the world did that movie make $100 million?

Spoiler

It's a super-villain movie. The ending pretty much re-contextualizes the whole thing. It's a villain origin movie in a world where people have superpowers

Actually reading now that it's

Spoiler

an Unbeakable sequel

has me looking at things differently. Would be interested in seeing where this goes.

 

[milanbaros]

Some views:

- That Split opening is incredible. Well done to both M. Night and McAvoy. I think that is two careers which needed this to be successful.

- Passengers managed to avoid being a major disappointment. $270m coming off a $16m weekend. The talent probably pushed the budget too high but I don't think it would have made anywhere near as much without the leads they had.

- Monster Trucks having the 2nd best hold of the top 10 holdovers is not something I expected. I think parents are much more likely to take children to the cinema regardless of what is on, so if you time your release well you can capitalise on that. Still a flop though.

- Moana's international cume has gone from very disappointing to just disappointing. Still, a $500m+ original film is still an achievement.

 

[Finaika]

Split is a beast.

 

[Zen Aku]

Y'all haters, Sing was a great time at the theatre. Glad it's doing so well.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Oops clicked that spoiler thinking it was for the Visit. Now im sad

 

[The Driver]

i haven't seen split yet but that's my favorite movie from him. love how he cast mel gibson and joaquin phoenix in there. not fond of the ending (while sixth sense and unbreakable had far better ones) but overall i like that one quite a bit, good acting in that as well.

I wonder if M. Night will do a movie similar to Signs. I always liked that movie, even if the ending fell flat on it's face.

Thirded, though I kinda fight y'all on the ending. It's logically dumb as bricks but it's filmed so well, the score is so sweeping, and the acting is so good that it hits all the right emotional buttons for me. I just wish Shymalan could have kept all the drama beats (Bo's quirks somehow linking to a weakness of the aliens/ Graham's wife delivering something key in the final flashback) without the silliness of the aliens weakness being WATER or his dead wife LITERALLY telling them what to do.

I love the last shot too.

Glad to see Split slapping, though I kinda worry about him trying to force something out of it.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Shouldn't be a surprise Sing was running incessant 10 sec commercials. Using familiar songs as it's hook, it's simple but incrediblly effective. As it nailed the name of the movie into people's heads

It's also pretty good, for what it is.

 

[shira]

I want to see Split, but might wait for redbox. That means I need to somehow not be spoiled for like 3 months.

Damn wom on split is so good, but I've been burned too many times by MNS.

Airbender

 

[zeemumu]

The greatest twist of all: A good M. Night Shyamalan movie in January of all times.

 

[3N16MA]

Beauty and the Beast is the first Disney renaissance film to go live action. The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King will destroy the box office.

I don't see why it wouldn't hit 400M+ domestic. Reaction seems to be extremely positive.

 

[Not]

You know, no matter how many good movies he makes from this point onward, I still don't think that's a very accurate comparison!

 

[Busty]

- Passengers managed to avoid being a major disappointment. $270m coming off a $16m weekend. The talent probably pushed the budget too high but I don't think it would have made anywhere near as much without the leads they had.

Passengers is a horrible disappointment. At best it will crawl to $100m in the US when Sony under the Rothman regime needed it to be a big hit.

Even at $270m worldwide that still represents a loss for the studio. Not exactly the home win that anyone was expecting.

 

[Bulzeeb]

Kid's films have been bulletproof.

Unless you're Laika.

seriously, I hate you so much and everybody who didn't see Kubo, my favorite animated movie last year but well whatever I only hope they don't close any time soon >_<

 

[3N16MA]

Sony needs big wins not mildly disappointing films.

 

[milanbaros]

Passengers is a horrible disappointment. At best it will crawl to $100m in the US when Sony under the Rothman regime needed it to be a big hit.

Even at $270m worldwide that still represents a loss for the studio. Not exactly the home win that anyone was expecting.

I think it is just a disappointment, not a major one. What could you reasonably expect for this movie if it were a success? $400m? What about a major disappointment? I would say <$200m. This is somewhere in between.

 

[Busty]

Sony needs big wins not mildly disappointing films.

The pressure on Homecoming to not just to open big but open to HUGE numbers is steadily increasing. But even then that's just window dressing given that they don't own the IP.

That's why there has been so much talk of the studio 'hanging it's hat' on the Emoji Movie.

I think it is just a disappointment, not a major one. What could you reasonably expect for this movie if it were a success? $400m? What about a major disappointment? I would say <$200m. This is somewhere in between.

The two hottest stars at the moment together on screen. High concept, big press tour. This isn't just a disappointment from a financial point of view this will be seen as a failure on Rothman's regime to actually open the film and make it 'happen'.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Beauty and the Beast is the first Disney renaissance film to go live action. The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King will destroy the box office.

I don't see why it wouldn't hit 400M+ domestic. Reaction seems to be extremely positive.

Beast is an eeeeasy billion. I could see Lion King being Disney's highest grossing non-Avengers/Star Wars film ever.

 

[3N16MA]

The pressure on Homecoming to not just to open big but open to HUGE numbers is steadily increasing. But even then that's just window dressing given that they don't own the IP.

That's why there has been so much talk of the studio 'hanging it's hat' on the Emoji Movie.

Even if it is huge it's still one film with obvious sequels. They will be relying on one franchise that gets a film every few years.

Like you said, they don't own it.

 

[milanbaros]

The pressure on Homecoming to not just to open big but open to HUGE numbers is steadily increasing. But even then that's just window dressing given that they don't own the IP.

That's why there has been so much talk of the studio 'hanging it's hat' on the Emoji Movie.



The two hottest stars at the moment together on screen. High concept, big press tour. This isn't just a disappointment from a financial point of view this will be seen as a failure on Rothman's regime to actually open the film and make it 'happen'.

You do know I'm saying it is a disappointment right? Just not a major one. Stars don't pull people into films like this anymore. They were overpaid. I don't think the film has grossed significantly below what would be expected for this type of film.

If anything, it just further demonstrates that star power is overrated in this period of film making.

 

[Busty]

You do know I'm saying it is a disappointment right? Just not a major one.

It is.

Less than $300m worldwide is a big disappointment.

I know for a fact that Sony spent more money on VFX (quite late in the game too) for this after they were enthused by some early word they got from test audience.

They expected this to be huge.

It wasn't.

EDIT - Besides, what we're arguing about here is semantics. It's binary. Is it a disappointment? Yes/no. Yes .

 

[Raptor]

Oops clicked that spoiler thinking it was for the Visit. Now im sad

I clicked too WTF.

 

[kswiston]

Studio estimates for the openers were spot on. Split was slightly down (but still over $40M) and XXX was slightly up ($20.1M).

Hidden Figures was overestimated by $500k. Rogue One was underestimated by about $175k.

 

[Mechazawa]

Laika just needs to make a dumb, easy movie about animals, preferably talking, and they'll be drowning in money.

 

[Busty]

Laika just needs to make a dumb, easy movie about animals, preferably talking, and they'll be drowning in money.

Aren't they bankrolled by a rich guy who considers it a labour of love?

 

[Schlorgan]

Laika just needs to make a dumb, easy movie about animals, preferably talking, and they'll be drowning in money.

I wouldn't call Zootopia dumb or easy. I think it's the artstyle they go for that turns people off. But they're fine financially, so I'm not worried about them stopping.

 

[kswiston]

Laika just needs to make a dumb, easy movie about animals, preferably talking, and they'll be drowning in money.

Audiences generally dont like stop animation. Laika makes stop animation films. That is pretty much the entire issue.

 

[jack_package_200]

I wouldn't call Zootopia dumb or easy. I think it's the artstyle they go for that turns people off. But they're fine financially, so I'm not worried about them stopping.

I think he was referring to Sing.

 

[Schlorgan]

I think he was referring to Sing.

I think he was referring to all of the talking animal movies that came out last year and made a lot of money (Zootopia, Dory, Secret Life of Pets and Sing)