PhoncipleBone
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Wkd BO 0303-0517 - Peeps Get Out to see R-rated Logan & Xavier Shack up, kid in tow
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Since we are talking about Superhero films from Fox and WB, I guess it is a decent time to post an updated version of a chart I made back when Suicide Squad was wrapping up.
Here is a WW-China gross to budget comparison of all of the major superhero films released since the MCU started with Iron Man. I left out China because not all superhero films received Chinese releases (especially before 2012), and while Chinese grosses are good for inflating worldwide totals, they don't add nearly as much to the studio's bottom line (per theatre dollar spent) vs money made domestically or in other overseas territories.
Logan and Lego Batman are still in release, so I have given them conservative placeholder totals at the bottom.
Anything above 3x is generally good/successful. Anything under 2x is flop territory. The middle ground between those is more ambiguous.
Here is a WW-China gross to budget comparison of all of the major superhero films released since the MCU started with Iron Man. I left out China because not all superhero films received Chinese releases (especially before 2012), and while Chinese grosses are good for inflating worldwide totals, they don't add nearly as much to the studio's bottom line (per theatre dollar spent) vs money made domestically or in other overseas territories.
Logan and Lego Batman are still in release, so I have given them conservative placeholder totals at the bottom.
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Title Worldwide minus China Reported Budget Gross/Budget Ratio
Avengers 1434 220 6.52x
Avengers: Age of Ultron 1165 265 4.40x
Iron Man 3 1094 200 5.47x
The Dark Knight Rises 1032 230 4.49x
The Dark Knight 1005 185 5.43x
Captain America: Civil War 962 250 3.85x
Deadpool 783 58 13.5x
Batman v Superman 777 250 3.11x
Suicide Squad 746 175 4.26x
Amazing Spider-Man 709 230 3.08x
Guardians of the Galaxy 677 195 3.47x
X-Men: Days of Future Past 632 200 3.16x
Iron Man 2 616 200 3.08x
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 615 290 2.12x
Man of Steel 605 225 2.69x
Captain America: The Winter Soldier 598 170 3.52x
Thor: The Dark World 589 170 3.46x
Big Hero 6 574 165 3.48x
Iron Man 570 150 3.80x
Doctor Strange 568 165 3.44x
Thor 449 150 2.99x
X-Men: Apocalypse 420 178 2.36x
Ant-Man 414 130 3.18x
The Wolverine 374 120 3.12x
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 373 150 2.49x
Captain America: The First Avenger 371 140 2.65x
X-men: First Class 354 150 2.36x
The Incredible Hulk 254 150 1.69x
Green Lantern 220 200 1.10x
The Green Hornet 208 120 1.73x
Watchmen 185 130 1.42x
Fantastic Four (2015) 168 120 1.40x
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AVERAGE 611 179 3.41x
Lego Batman Movie* 300 80 3.75x
Logan* 500 97 5.15xAnything above 3x is generally good/successful. Anything under 2x is flop territory. The middle ground between those is more ambiguous.
Obliterator
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Captain America was still sold as a Cap movie. Yes for the fans its "Avenger's 2.5" but for the ultra casuals the name Avengers still means an event film
Ultron was bad.
Ultron is forgettable, IM2 is bad, IM3 is also bad.
Dash_Riprock
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You forgot Thor 2.
demosthenes
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Ultron, while not bad I agree is forgetable.
Im2 was bad. Im3 was alright. Thor 2 was bad.
Both Thor films are forgettable. Hulk is not worth watching again.
IM, TWS, GotG, Avengers are Marvel best films. Ant-Man, CW, and to a lesser extent Cap 1 are solid films.
broncobuster
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As far as I can tell, no superhero movie without Batman or Iron Man has crossed $1 billion. The rich get richer.
I suspect GotG2 will cross it, or if not it then Deadpool 2.
I suspect GotG2 will cross it, or if not it then Deadpool 2.
Call me crazy but I honestly think Thor Ragnorok has a slim chance at a billion too. Thor/Hulk/Loki/Doctor Strange is a good combination.
Join the Thor 3 over Homecoming club.
True, true, but RJD and Spidey were part of the marketing.
That, plus the glowing review, had me thinking it could pass Ultron easily.
It's like a big budget Asylum film. It's a knockoff. There's not a single thing about it that wasn't done so much better in the first Avengers.
Okay, Cap's suit was better. That's about it.
We are Thor 2
George Oscar Bluth II
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I will defend Iron Man 3 until the day I die.
Dash_Riprock
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Freeza Under The Shower
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Call me crazy, but if you note the decrease in multiplier with year of release, you start to see budget escalation and decline in multiplier, though that doesn't mean much when the absolute number is higher.
But imagine if Infinite War bombs for a moment, and what that would do. We're just waiting for the inevitable MCU blow-up now. Not that Disney marketing will let that happen, but costumers can be unpredictable.
Also, what the fucking hell at ASM2 costing 290 million. That movie did not look like it cost almost 300 million to make.
I do want to know how they kept the Deadpool budget so low. Aside from not having multiple X-men in it that is. But they used quite a bit of CG in it yet the budget is barely 60 million. Did they skimp on actor wages by giving them higher gross percentages? (because hooohoohoo boy is that a payday or what)
and lastly, Iron Man 3 gave us
. I was not expecting that when I saw it. So that was worth it.
But imagine if Infinite War bombs for a moment, and what that would do. We're just waiting for the inevitable MCU blow-up now. Not that Disney marketing will let that happen, but costumers can be unpredictable.
Also, what the fucking hell at ASM2 costing 290 million. That movie did not look like it cost almost 300 million to make.
I do want to know how they kept the Deadpool budget so low. Aside from not having multiple X-men in it that is. But they used quite a bit of CG in it yet the budget is barely 60 million. Did they skimp on actor wages by giving them higher gross percentages? (because hooohoohoo boy is that a payday or what)
and lastly, Iron Man 3 gave us
Trevor
hodayathink
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The director of the movie (Tim Miller) was also the head of the VFX studio that worked on it. So basically, in addition to having to write around a low budget (the forgot my guns in the car thing, for example), he knew exactly how do to things to get the most VFX bang for the buck.
No need. People who hates Iron Man 3 must hate The Nice Guys and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang as well, so they have bad taste.
SkyMasterson
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It still blows my mind that an R-rated Deadpool film made only $40 million less domestically than Civil War did and out grossed Batman vs Superman.
Also, funny to see that with each subsequent Wolverine movie, the budget kept decreasing, as the films increased quality wise.
Also, funny to see that with each subsequent Wolverine movie, the budget kept decreasing, as the films increased quality wise.
hodayathink
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It's not that complicated. Lower budget, lower stakes financially, less meddling from corporate, more freedom for the creatives.
Gentleman Jack
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Twins 3 Starring Bronson and someone over five foot three.
BronsonLee
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So I play both roles?
I am really curious to see if the success of both Deadpool and Logan leads to more experimentation with mid-budget superhero films. No one wants to take a risk at $200-300M, where the breakeven point is $650-800M, but something like Logan would be perfectly fine making $300M.
Obliterator
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As much as I love the MCU I'd love to see them take one of their properties and try one of these smaller budget films and go for a totally different tone. A lot of the MCU films still have their own vibe but are also similar in a lot of ways. They don't have anything as totally different as Logan or Deadpool are.
That said I'm not sure which property they would use in that sort of space, especially with a lot if those tier characters now on Netflix.
Fixed that for you.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Darkman Returns!
Blade 4!
Lobo....
We kind of already had one in the form of Chronicle though. I know that's not 'mainline comics', but budget versus profit was never a restricting reason in itself. I'm having trouble coming up with examples of recent superhero films bombing hard, actually. Except Max Steel, but nobody cares about that one anyway.
hodayathink
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The thing with the MCU is that their floor for a connected movie probably sits somewhere around where Ant-Man ended up, if not a little bit higher than that (as long as it is competent, and even the worst MCU movies are competent). I mean Ant-Man behind the scenes is probably the worst case scenario for a Marvel movie (long time in gestation, rewrites and a director change a couple months before shooting) and it was still well liked critically and by audiences. And they spend like it. If they were to do something like that, it wouldn't be for the tonal distance, it would be because they decided they wanted to make even more money on the movie than they already are. In other words, they could make a tonally distinct $100-120 million dollar movie and still make their money back right now, they just don't have a good reason to do so.
I think it's possible that we see it, it just won't come from DC or Marvel. Fox will probably take a few more stabs at it (and the success they're having with Legion on TV helps that as well), but I think it's more likely that other studios will option comics from other companies and make those types of movies than DC/WB or Marvel/Disney turning around and making them.
Obliterator
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Well what's crazy is we've never even seen an MCU film with that low of a budget or what it would look / be like. Pretty much every MCU film from the beginning has cost $140 million at least to make.
I would just be really curious what one of their films would be like if they tried a totally different tone and made it only like a $97 million budget like Logan. A smaller more intimate film without all the bloat
George Oscar Bluth II
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I liked it too.
I get what people don't like about it and it does have flaws but... it's a Shane Black Iron Man movie. C'mon, that's dope.
Mid budget Ryan Gosling Hawkguy movie. That's gold right there.
dancingphlower
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Ultron and Iron Man 3 are great. Fight me 
Obliterator
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Ultron and Iron Man 3 are great. Fight me
I like them both as well. I like every MCU film though other than Iron Man 2 (and the 2nd half of the first Captain America)
Runaways could easily have been it, but then The O.C.aways happened. Ms. Marvel is too soon. Characters like The Hood, Hellcat and Moon Knight would probably be more fitted for TV.
We need that Heroes for Hire movie. Sadly that's out of the window as well with the Perlmutter/Feige feud.
Plasticine
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You wearing stilts for the taller role?
hodayathink
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You're kind of missing my point. The problem at Marvel isn't the budget. It's that big action/adventure blockbuster is making them so much money that there's really no good reason for them to change the formula at all. Without Deadpool/Logan, Fox is stuck with an X-Men property that's currently in decline, and even at it's highest (DOFP) was coming off a trilogy that almost completely poisoned the well, so they knew that decline was possible already. Fox needed to diversify. Marvel doesn't.
Obliterator
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Nah, I actually totally get your point. I'm not saying they SHOULD do a low budget different tone film. I absolutely get why they go strictly the mega block buster route
I'm saying, I'm just really curious what a smaller budget, more intimate Marvel film would look like
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Rth Saturday estimates:
Kong - $24.6M
Logan - $17.1M
Get Out - $9.4M
Very strong increases. I'm actually over the moon about the Kong number; it's way ahead of what I thought it'd do this weekend and could make it to $150M domestically if it doesn't fall apart in the face of Beauty and the Beast.
Kong - $24.6M
Logan - $17.1M
Get Out - $9.4M
Very strong increases. I'm actually over the moon about the Kong number; it's way ahead of what I thought it'd do this weekend and could make it to $150M domestically if it doesn't fall apart in the face of Beauty and the Beast.
dancingphlower
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Yeah the 2nd half of First Avenger was kinda lame but the first half redeems it. I like Thor: Dark World so maybe I just have bad taste tho
Saucycarpdog
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I was thinking 50M on the high side. 61M is really good. WOM must be great.
PhantomX1313
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That Donkey Kong
Should I dig up my Iron Man 3 thread?
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