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Nice read, BGE! Thanks for posting.

$900M seems to be a reasonable ending for it
Thanks for reading! It was fun to type up. I'm not sure yet if I'll type up something like that for Alien yet, but I definitely will for Pirates 5 (sadly, King Arthur just isn't important enough).
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Thank Thanos, the summer has arrived


For the eleventh consecutive year a comic-book adaptation will jump-start the summer box office, and of the ten prior, seven fall under the MCU banner. Making it eight after scoring $106M overseas, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 will look to build upon the first by riding a wave of goodwill to a massive domestic opening. Releasing in ~4,300 theaters, expectations are high with opening weekend tracking $150M, and many anticipating a number usually reserved for films featuring Iron Man.

The first Guardians of the Galaxy was a box office stunner, shattering expectations with a $94.3M opening weekend. Great word of mouth would propel even further than post-OW expectations, giving Guardians $333.2M domestically. That is a 3.53 multiplier, the best for any major comic-book release in about two decades (excluding midweek openers). Additionally, looking at online metric such as IMDB, Flixster, Amazon, etc, Guardians routinely has the best audience scores of any MCU title to date. The combination of great legs and great word of mouth has in the past led to sequels that saw significant box office growth. See Pirates of the Caribbean, Transformers, The Dark Knight, and Despicable Me, to name a few.

So the Avengers-like expectations are not unfounded, but complicating this is it has been more common for direct sequels to decline, at least domestically. Examples of this include Star Trek Into Darkness, The Hangover 2, and notably, Iron Man 2 and Avengers: Age of Ultron. This is more conjecture on my part, but it seems that a strong marketing campaign that properly sells a sequel as upping the ante is a key requirement to sequels with beloved predecessors reaching new heights. Guardians of the Galaxy 2’s trailers have been remarkably devoid of plot elements, instead focusing on the humor and dynamic of the team. It’s an interesting strategy, though I would feel more willing to predict a massive breakout performance if the marketing promised an engaging villain as well. Another thing to consider is that, while online signs have been strong, they have lagging compared to the other comic-book releases this year.

As has become routine, Guardians 2 opened a week in advance in 38 countries, including the UK and Australia. These two countries have mirrored the tastes of domestic audiences the most, and so it is worthwhile to look at how MCU films have performed in those regions. Below is the compiled list from The Avengers onward.
(Remarks: All values are in local currency, to best avoid the issue of fluctuating exchange rates. “AUS+” denotes the cumulative box office for a film after opening weekend, as many of these titles had weekday launches in Australia to take advantage of holidays. Some of them also had Thursday openings in the UK, but finding reliable data that separates that out for the traditional 3-day opening weekend has sadly eluded me.)

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[U]Film[/U]                          [U]AUS[/U]                         [U]AUS+[/U]                              [U]UK[/U]                          [U]US+CA[/U]
The Avengers                  13,288,146                  19,305,652                        15,778,074                  207,438,708
Iron Man 3                    14,090,713                  17,507,260                        13,702,836                  174,144,585
Thor 2                         7,209,749                   7,390,813                         8,666,322                   85,737,841
Captain America 2              6,058,676                   6,355,027                         6,036,406                   95,023,721
Guardians of the Galaxy        6,552,690                   8,872,826                         6,360,809                   94,320,833
Avengers 2                    15,700,805                  17,105,520                        18,015,774                  191,271,109
Ant-Man                        5,346,067                   5,467,690                         4,011,345                   57,225,526
Captain America 3             13,961,714                  13,961,714                        14,466,681                  179,139,142
Doctor Strange                 6,425,701                   6,470,554                         9,291,181                   85,058,311
Guardians of the Galaxy 2      8,585,968                  15,612,331                        13,060,000

While it is not a 1-to-1 relation, the correlation is pretty apparent. Complications comparisons with Australia is that Guardians 2 had an unusual Tuesday release to take advantage of Anzac Day, a holiday. Looking at the UK, though, we see it was absolutely massive: a 106% increase and when including the grosses on the May 1st holiday Monday, its four day total of £17.85M was not far behind Captain America 2 and The Avengers 2. This was well beyond expectations in the UK.

Ultimately, I believe the positive signs from Australia and the UK and excellent word of mouth of its predecessor easily outweigh the slight negatives of online numbers. Because of the latter, I don’t expect this to be a $400M+ domestic performer, but I do believe it will comfortably outpace the first. Fandango has reported that it is outselling Avengers 2 through the same point in release cycle, and while online ticketing has continued to become popular (and notably, Captain America 3 had the highest presales of any comic-book film and Guardians 2 was not reported to be outselling it), this does suggest a big preview number is in store. From there, Guardians 2 should follow in the footsteps of other mega-sequels and see Friday business minus previews easily top the entire opening day of the first. MCU films have seen stronger and stronger Saturday figures, with Doctor Strange increasing 35% from Friday when ignoring previews. So expect a nice increase for Guardians 2 as well. All told, I am predicting a $153M opening.

Beyond opening weekend, it’s worth looking at the performance of the first week of May MCU films that have opened over $100M:

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[U]Film[/U]                    [U]Pre/Mid[/U]                     [U]OW[/U]                    [U]2nd[/U]                    [U]Drop[/U]                    [U]Drop w/o Pre.[/U]
Iron Man 2               $7,500,000                 $128,122,480           $52,041,005           59.38%                  56.86%
Avengers                $18,700,000                 $207,438,708          $103,052,274           50.32%                  45.40%
Iron Man 3              $15,600,000                 $174,144,585           $72,525,615           58.35%                  54.26%
Avengers 2              $27,600,000                 $191,271,109           $77,746,929           59.35%                  52.50%
Captain America 3       $25,000,000                 $179,139,142           $72,637,142           59.45%                  52.88%
The second weekend decline, with the exception of the first Avengers, have been remarkable similar even as the preview numbers have surged. I expect Guardians 2 to land in the same 58-59% drop range for the second weekend, but level out better with its largest competition in the third weekend being an R-Rated film and then a fellow Disney release in its fourth. Reviews, while a couple notches below the first film, are better than the Iron Man sequels and Avengers 2. Wonder Woman will cut off its legs on weekend 5, though.

Overseas its first weekend was slightly below Thor: The Dark World’s debut of $109.4M, but was missing key markets Russia and South Korea, muddling comparisons. Additionally, Thor 2 made only $55M in China, a figure Guardians 2 could certainly double. Thus, Guardians 2 should be able to cross $500M internationally, but $600M or more seems extremely unlikely.

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[U]Predictions[/U]
Pre:  $19M
Fri:  $61M/$42M    
Sat:  $54M          -11.47%/+28.57%
Sun:  $38M          -29.63%

OW:  $153M/$134M
2nd:  $63M          -58.82%/-52.99%
3rd:  $33M          -47.62%
4th:  $20M          -39.39%
5th: $7.5M          -62.50%

DOM: $370M
INT: $540M
WW:  $910M
 

kswiston

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I remember hearing about that actually. Wasn't it significantly more than most other Marvel films?

It was definitely high for a first film.

Disney reported $170M. When tax info came out of the UK, we found out that it was $232M gross and $196M net (after tax breaks).

They also under-reported the net budget for Age of Ultron.

EDIT:

To further comment on B-G-E's piece, I think that anything north of $150M OW would be outstanding for Guardians. That's Iron Man, Batman, and Spider-Man (3) territory. Guardians isn't as strong overseas as some of Marvel's other properties in that range, but Disney/Marvel have to be happy if they get a domestic increase.
 

kswiston

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Regarding $1B mark being some sort of expectations yardstick for GotG 2, I think that many people need to realize that foreign currencies aren't anywhere close to being as strong as they were during most of the overseas market explosion this past decade.

There is a user on the BOT forums that has been using historical exchange rates for the various territories to adjust past films to current rates. His last update was about 2 months ago, so the exchange rates might be slightly different now, but here's how all of the big earners in the MCU and elsewhere look using (relatively) current exchange rates for the overseas grosses. There is going to be a margin of error in his numbers, but it still gives you a good idea of how things changed:


Worldwide Grosses of Major Superhero films using Feb 2017 Foreign Exchange Rates


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MCU FILMS

TITLE				WW GROSS w/ 2017 ER	ACTUAL WW GROSS
Age of Ultron			$1316M			$1405M
Avengers			$1312M			$1519M			
Captain America: Civil War	$1122M			$1153M
Iron Man 3 			$1047M			$1215M
Guardians of the Galaxy 	$683M			$773M	
Doctor Strange* 		~$670M			$678M
The Winter Soldier 		$631M			$714M
Thor The Dark World 		$548M			$645M
Ant-Man* 			<$500M			$419M


OTHER BIG SUPERHERO FILMS

TITLE				WW GROSS w/ 2017 ER	ACTUAL WW GROSS
The Dark Knight Rises 		$962M			$1085M
The Dark Knight 		$905M			$1005M
Batman v Superman 		$859M			$873M
Spider-Man 			$835M			$822M
Deadpool 			$791M			$783M
Spider-Man 3 			$770M			$891M
Suicide Squad 			$740M			$746M
Spider-Man 2 			$731M			$784M
Amazing Spider-Man 		$653M			$758M
Days of Future Past 		$647M			$748M
Man of Steel 			$598M			$668M


*No estimates were available for Doctor Strange and Ant-Man. The Numbers listed are my own guestimates.


$900M only sounds lower than expected if you ignore the realities of the overseas market.
 
Lovely info, kswiss. It's pretty wild how unfavorable exchange rates are now compared to 2012/2013, and also interesting how strong it apparently was in 2007.

It's gonna be a reality check for a lot of people this summer, though. I'm predicting 2 films to break the billion mark in the next few months, but I wouldn't be surprised if none did. If that happened, it'd be the first summer without a billion dollar grosser since 2009.
 

kswiston

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Lovely info, kswiss. It's pretty wild how unfavorable exchange rates are now compared to 2012/2013, and also interesting how strong it apparently was in 2007.

It's gonna be a reality check for a lot of people this summer, though. I'm predicting 2 films to break the billion mark in the next few months, but I wouldn't be surprised if none did. If that happened, it'd be the first summer without a billion dollar grosser since 2009.

DM3 and ....?
 
DM3 and ....?
Spider-Man: Homecoming. I'm probably the most bullish person here on its domestic prospects, but it could have the smallest overseas numbers for post-Avengers film featuring Iron Man by 10% and still gross $670M.

I'd say it's the only film on the summer schedule that I think will do $600M+ overseas and can also cross $300M domestically.
 

BumRush

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Spider-Man: Homecoming. I'm probably the most bullish person here on its domestic prospects, but it could have the smallest overseas numbers for post-Avengers film featuring Iron Man by 10% and still gross $670M.

I'd say it's the only film on the summer schedule that I think will do $600M+ overseas and can also cross $300M domestically.

The Iron Man-in-this-film factor really shouldn't be underestimated. Especially if trailers closer to launch showcase him more.
 

Jezan

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Even though I liked the Power Rangers movie it wasn't that much Rangerish. I just want it to be a success so in one of the 7 sequels they planed we get to see the Hollywood version of the Zeo suits and maybe if other suits too, but if nostalgia was not enough for this, there is no chance for the other sequels.

Btw anyone has a site where they track toy sales? And a little bit more detailed the presales for China and Japan?
 

kswiston

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It's still too early to be positive, but it looks like GotG vol 2 could manage a $50M opening in China. Maybe $300M WW this weekend, and close to $500M WW total by Sunday.
 
Guardians is gonna be really damn strong. I'm gonna stick with my prediction of not quite a Billy but still huge. $850 - $900 sounds right to me.
 
Some random notes:

- Yesterday, Fate of the Furious crossed $900M overseas and $1.1B worldwide.
- Beauty and the Beast increased 5% in its second weekend in Japan, and with the strength of Golden Week, should continue to see big numbers there. It will pretty easily cross $1.2B and could make a run at Frozen's WW total, which stands at $1.28B.
- Even though Fate of the Furious was a bit of a disappointment domestically, the strength of March holdovers made this April the biggest in history. Total gross for the month was $810.4M.
- BOM has updated Guardians 2's theater estimate to 4,300+. So it will open have the widest opening for a MCU film since at least the first Avengers.
 

BumRush

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Some random notes:

- Yesterday, Fate of the Furious crossed $900M overseas and $1.1B worldwide.
- Beauty and the Beast increased 5% in its second weekend in Japan, and with the strength of Golden Week, should continue to see big numbers there. It will pretty easily cross $1.2B and could make a run at Frozen's WW total, which stands at $1.28B.
- Even though Fate of the Furious was a bit of a disappointment domestically, the strength of March holdovers made this April the biggest in history. Total gross for the month was $810.4M.
- BOM has updated Guardians 2's theater estimate to 4,300+. So it will open have the widest opening for a MCU film since at least the first Avengers.

Holy shit at BatB. Weren't we recently discussing whether or not it was a lock for $1.1B? Maybe I'm mistaken.
 

kswiston

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Holy shit at BatB. Weren't we recently discussing whether or not it was a lock for $1.1B? Maybe I'm mistaken.

I always figured that Civil War was the floor and $1.2B was in good shape with Japan in the wings. At least since the 2nd or 3rd week. Japan seemed like a good bet for $100M from the start.

Fate of the Furious must have had a huge May 1st. It's looking like this year will be The Last Jedi > Fate of the Furious > Beauty and the Beast WW, unless Japan goes crazy for BatB in coming weeks, or something surprises. F8 and BatB will be pretty close though.
 

kswiston

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Presales for GotG2 aren't really picking up steam in the final hours before the Chinese release. I wouldn't expect the gross there to be much different than GotG1 (which was just shy of $100M in China)


Alien Convenant might actually get a Chinese release after all. I guess that Fox cut another 9 minutes from the film in another attempt to pass censorship.

For our members living in China, it is popular for foreign movie buffs to attempt to get uncut copies of R-Rated films through grey markets (or piracy)? It would annoy me to get a hack-job version of some of these films.
 

Jawmuncher

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Presales for GotG2 aren't really picking up steam in the final hours before the Chinese release. I wouldn't expect the gross there to be much different than GotG1 (which was just shy of $100M in China)


Alien Convenant might actually get a Chinese release after all. I guess that Fox cut another 9 minutes from the film in another attempt to pass censorship.

For our members living in China, it is popular for foreign movie buffs to attempt to get uncut copies of R-Rated films through grey markets (or piracy)? It would annoy me to get a hack-job version of some of these films.

I'm curious what things in Alien had to be cut
 

kswiston

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I'm curious what things in Alien had to be cut

I don't know, but it seems like this one is going to be a lot more gory than Prometheus was.

Prometheus was 14A in most Canadian provinces (which is also the rating that the Matrix and LOTR films got). Basically the rating for PG-13 films that push the violence boundaries, and the softer R films. Alien Covenant is 18A.

One of the Parent Movie info sites summarized the following from the various certifications:

Violence:
- Frequent explicit violence.
- Frequent portrayals of gun, weapons, and hand-to-hand violence with blood and some gory detail.
- Frequent portrayals of frightening monsters and nightmarish imagery with blood and some gory detail.
- Detailed gory and grotesque images.
- Frequent upsetting or disturbing scenes.

I imagine that the above is giving them the most issues. There is some brief nudity that is easy to edit out. Language is usually not as big a problem in non-English countries.
 

BumRush

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I don't know, but it seems like this one is going to be a lot more gory than Prometheus was.

Prometheus was 14A in most Canadian provinces (which is also the rating that the Matrix and LOTR films got). Basically the rating for PG-13 films that push the violence boundaries, and the softer R films. Alien Covenant is 18A.

One of the Parent Movie info sites summarized the following from the various certifications:

Violence:
- Frequent explicit violence.
- Frequent portrayals of gun, weapons, and hand-to-hand violence with blood and some gory detail.
- Frequent portrayals of frightening monsters and nightmarish imagery with blood and some gory detail.
- Detailed gory and grotesque images.
- Frequent upsetting or disturbing scenes.

I imagine that the above is giving them the most issues. There is some brief nudity that is easy to edit out. Language is usually not as big a problem in non-English countries.

Thank God for the bolded. The universe is based on Giger designs...it better be creepy as hell.
 

Slayven

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Guardians has a crazy amount of screens at my theater They have 3d and Imax, plus a showing starting every 30 minutes from opening to closing.
 

kswiston

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Guardians has a crazy amount of screens at my theater They have 3d and Imax, plus a showing starting every 30 minutes from opening to closing.

My regular theatre is getting 3 preview screens tonight (IMAX + two 3D screens), which is unusual. I'm pretty sure that F8 and BatB just had IMAX on Thursday.

Both Thursday IMAX showings are well on their way to being sold out, unless you want to sit in the first 3 rows where you have to break your neck to see the screen.


It looks like the rest of the weekend is still 3 screens (out of 12) though. I think that they had 5 going for Star Wars: TFA.
 
So i came across a post in another forum that said Logan needs to hit $612 Mill worldwide to beat the Passion of the Christ worldwide haul to become the 3rd biggest grossing R-Rated movie worldwide.

Is that true?

If so come on Logan you can do it.
 

kswiston

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So i came across a post in another forum that said Logan needs to hit $612 Mill worldwide to beat the Passion of the Christ worldwide haul to become the 3rd biggest grossing R-Rated movie worldwide.

Is that true?

If so come on Logan you can do it.

That will for sure happen. The film only has $4M to go to beat Passion.

Logan will make another $1.5-2M domestically, even if Fox doesn't do a late expansion. The film also hasn't opened in Japan. X-Films don't make any real money in Japan, but $3M is about half of the low end for the franchise. Logan will likely finish around $615M.
 

Slayven

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My regular theatre is getting 3 preview screens tonight (IMAX + two 3D screens), which is unusual. I'm pretty sure that F8 and BatB just had IMAX on Thursday.

Both Thursday IMAX showings are well on their way to being sold out, unless you want to sit in the first 3 rows where you have to break your neck to see the screen.


It looks like the rest of the weekend is still 3 screens (out of 12) though. I think that they had 5 going for Star Wars: TFA.

I know it isn't Alpha flight, but are you going?
 

kswiston

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I know it isn't Alpha flight, but are you going?

Yes. My wife wants to go, so likely not opening weekend. Both of us going means finding a babysitter. My daughter dove into a coffee table at my parent's house a couple of days back, getting 4 stitches for her effort, so making plans for Marvel movies hasn't really been in the forefront of family discussions.
 

Slayven

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Yes. My wife wants to go, so likely not opening weekend. Both of us going means finding a babysitter. My daughter dove into a coffee table at my parent's house a couple of days back, getting 4 stitches for her effort, so making plans for Marvel movies hasn't really been in the forefront of family discussions.

Sorry to hear that, hope she is ok.
 

kswiston

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Sorry to hear that, hope she is ok.

She is fine now. The cut was pretty deep, but clean and just above her eyebrow. I guess that isn't a terrible place to get a cut like that if it was going to happen. Shouldn't be noticeable in the future when it heals up and the scar fades. I'm glad it wasn't her nose. My nose is a bit crooked from a break. I don't think that a girl would appreciate having the Owen Wilson look.
 

Ridley327

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Presales for GotG2 aren't really picking up steam in the final hours before the Chinese release. I wouldn't expect the gross there to be much different than GotG1 (which was just shy of $100M in China)


Alien Convenant might actually get a Chinese release after all. I guess that Fox cut another 9 minutes from the film in another attempt to pass censorship.

For our members living in China, it is popular for foreign movie buffs to attempt to get uncut copies of R-Rated films through grey markets (or piracy)? It would annoy me to get a hack-job version of some of these films.

I would have to assume it's pretty easy to get your hands on uncensored Hollywood movies. I'm sure there's a bit of "it fell off a truck involved," but for the most part, the films from mainstream studios are region free to begin with.

BTW, good to hear that your daughter is doing OK. Nothing is scarier than seeing a young one take a nasty spill like that, even if it's not that serious. As the eldest of six siblings, I've seen so many close calls that I almost became desensitized to it.
 

BumRush

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Yes. My wife wants to go, so likely not opening weekend. Both of us going means finding a babysitter. My daughter dove into a coffee table at my parent's house a couple of days back, getting 4 stitches for her effort, so making plans for Marvel movies hasn't really been in the forefront of family discussions.

Glad she's okay now...anything with corners (and my 2 year old in the same area) stresses me out


An early review - which are almost always positive - comparing it to Captain America (which many people feel wasn't very good...assuming we're talking Cap 1) doesn't inspire TOO MUCH confidence though
 

kswiston

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Hopefully that ends up being the case. Some entertaining GAF threads aren't worth having an entire superhero universe locked into terrible movies.

I would have to assume it's pretty easy to get your hands on uncensored Hollywood movies. I'm sure there's a bit of "it fell off a truck involved," but for the most part, the films from mainstream studios are region free to begin with.

BTW, good to hear that your daughter is doing OK. Nothing is scarier than seeing a young one take a nasty spill like that, even if it's not that serious. As the eldest of six siblings,
I've seen so many close calls that I almost became desensitized to it.

Thanks

I am the oldest of 4, and all of my siblings have broken bones/required stitches. It's definitely different as an adult when it's your own kid though. After it was clear that they weren't in any danger, I used to make fun of my siblings when they did dumb stuff that resulted in stitches or casts. With my daughter, I was on a bit of an adrenaline buzz for the entire night after it had happened and she was patched up. There was also a day of paranoia every time she walked by a banister or table too quickly. She's not the most coordinated little thing.

Glad she's okay now...anything with corners (and my 2 year old in the same area) stresses me out

It was a total fluke. We were eating dinner. She got up and ran into my parent's living room while everyone was still sitting, tripped over her feet somehow, and landed face first into the flat edge of the coffee table. The whole thing took like 2 seconds. It wasn't the corner, but my parents do not have a child-friendly table. It's all sharp edges of solid wood. The legs have been taking out adult toes for years.
 

Slayven

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She is fine now. The cut was pretty deep, but clean and just above her eyebrow. I guess that isn't a terrible place to get a cut like that if it was going to happen. Shouldn't be noticeable in the future when it heals up and the scar fades. I'm glad it wasn't her nose. My nose is a bit crooked from a break. I don't think that a girl would appreciate having the Owen Wilson look.

I never understood why Owen got more headlining roles over Luke, Luke is the better actor and has better comedy timing
 

Ridley327

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I never understood why Owen got more headlining roles over Luke, Luke is the better actor and has better comedy timing

I figured that either Luke had a way worse agent than Owen (Luke has been in some shit, that's for sure), or Owen's writing talent got him a bigger, better network to move around in.
 

kswiston

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I figured that either Luke had a way worse agent than Owen (Luke has been in some shit, that's for sure), or Owen's writing talent got him a bigger, better network to move around in.

Owen Wilson was absorbed into Ben Stiller's group of comic actors, and they were basically running things for a few years before the Apatow group took over.
 
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