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Wkd BO 05•26-28•17 - Rock in bay can't stop Pirates or Guardians, Alien sinks tho

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Buckle

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Black Widow could have easily worked.

I mean look, Marvel. If people were willing to go see her in Lucy, they'll go see her in an awesome spy film with the Marvel brand behind it.

I suppose theres GITS as a counter arguement but feels like that was doomed from the start and mired in controversy.
 
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Eppy Thatcher

God's had his chance.
Interesting to see after getting dressed down a few weeks ago concerning Rock's draw and "starpower"

Didn't know he was producing though. What in gods name did he think was going to come of a "Baywatch" movie? ... you think he imagined it as his own personal Fast And Furious kind of franchise?
 
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kswiston

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Deadline updated Wonder Woman's Friday to $38.5M. $100M is looking more likely. Mid 90s if it misses 100M with that Friday.
 
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hodayathink

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Buckle said:
Hope this does well enough that Marvel ends up kicking themselves for sleeping on their own female heroines for so long.

...Bah, who am I kidding? They don't give a shit, they're making more money than God either way.

"Which weird obscure heroes can we use next to make almost a billion dollars? You look good, Forbush Man. Get in here."
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As with 90% of the stupid/bad shit that came out of Marvel Studios before the split, I put this one on Ike. Remember, he's the one that sent the e-mail to Sony execs talking about the female superhero flops out there. And he's more than likely the reason that Mya Hansen wasn't the primary villain in Iron Man 3.

Buckle said:
Black Widow could have easily worked.

I mean look, Marvel. If people were willing to go see her in Lucy, they'll go see her in an awesome spy film with the Marvel brand behind it.

I suppose theres GITS as a counter arguement but feels like that was doomed from the start and mired in controversy.
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I said this in another thread, but Lucy is actually what killed the idea/possibility of their being a Black Widow movie. After that, Marvel would have to pay ScarJo somewhere around what they're paying Robert Downey Jr. to make a Black Widow movie, and they aren't going to do that.
 
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lightskintwin

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hodayathink said:
I said this in another thread, but Lucy is actually what killed the idea/possibility of their being a Black Widow movie. After that, Marvel would have to pay ScarJo somewhere around what they're paying Robert Downey Jr. to make a Black Widow movie, and they aren't going to do that.
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Not after Ghost in the Shell.
 
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Lord Frieza

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I had a good feeling that WW was going to do better than a lot of people predicted. I mean, some people were really low-balling it hard. I seem to remember some predicting like 40-50 million openings and shit.

I'm just glad it's as good as it is. Maybe a lot of posters won't go through the same existential crisis they went through when Suicide Squad became the success it did. That really broke a lot of people around here.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

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Lord Frieza said:
This statement can have multiple different trigger warnings
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How so?
edit: if I'm missing something there, I'm not responding to it to be offensive. Just considering how many -if any- other female comic characters I know, which isn't much.

I mean, I'm no comics fan and it wasn't for neogaf I'd never have even heard of Captain Marvel, or her being an alcoholic for some reason because presumably Marvel needed a character for her and just decided to Tony Stark her or something.

The only female superhero that people like me know about are Wonder Woman, Supergirl (maybe), and Catwoman if you count anti-heroes.

Which combined with villains like poison ivy, harley quinn, despite their less than savory origins and motivation (don't even get me started on Killer Croc), makes a much wider known amount of female characters than Marvel has.

Let's do Marvel: Potts (very maybe), Aunt May, Mary Jane,... ehm.... and Black Widow, because that character is in the Avengers movies for some reason. And I suppose we now also have Red Scarlet but I was ready to call it there.
Frankly, Marvel's characters are really not very good, and their supporting cast reduced to 'needs of main' type characters. Even Lois Lane, despite having become a character that I sorta despise (not her, but the 'his girl' part), would in certain incarnations slap Mary Jane's shit for being a total damsel in distress trope, even more than she already is.

Oh right, and Sue Storm, aaaand Rogue... and Jubilee... and Jean Grey...huh, guess mutants are about 50% female, speaking of muties: and Invisible Woman (also Sue? First name Mary?), why are those not in the MCU- oooooh.

maybe Fox is just holding on to those rights so they can unironically say they cucked Marvel. I have to admit X-Men was always the main show for me (90's cartoons). Spider-Man, Iron man, and Fantastic Four were always just the sideshows to the main event, if you will.
edit: meaning I would know what a solo Jubilee movie would be about and willing to show up for it, whereas the other Marvel character would be 'who?'.
edit: also that c-word is there because it's Fox.
 
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hodayathink

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lightskintwin said:
Not after Ghost in the Shell.
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Not before GitS either. The only person that has gotten RDJ money from Marvel is RDJ, and it took Feige splitting away from Ike to pull that off for Civil War.

Edit: And if you mean she's not getting RDJ money post-GitS, ScarJo's quote for a Black Widow movie right now, even with the failure of that movie, would probably still be north of $20 million, which, again, I don't think Marvel has paid anyone except RDJ.
 
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lightskintwin

Banned
hodayathink said:
Not before GitS either. The only person that has gotten RDJ money from Marvel is RDJ, and it took Feige splitting away from Ike to pull that off for Civil War.
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Yeah, but money wouldn't be the issue now.

hodayathink said:
Edit: And if you mean she's not getting RDJ money post-GitS, ScarJo's quote for a Black Widow movie right now, even with the failure of that movie, would probably still be north of $20 million, which, again, I don't think Marvel has paid anyone except RDJ.
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I actually think Scar Jo's "Rough Night" is going to underperform and the Black version "Girls Night" that comes out the following month is going to do better domestically at the box office. Her bargaining position isn't going to be the same.
 
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Lord Frieza

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ZeoVGM said:
Huh?

That wasn't a dig at Marvel at all. But they simply don't have a female character who is on the level of Wonder Woman on a worldwide scale.
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Oh, I know it wasn't a dig, but you may trigger some Marvel fans by saying it. May also trigger some by saying everyone knows Wonder Woman, a lot of people just won't accept that lol, trust me
 
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Penguin

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ZeoVGM said:
Huh?

That wasn't a dig at Marvel at all. But they simply don't have a female character who is on the level of Wonder Woman on a worldwide scale.
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Eh as you point out Ant-Man and Doctor Strange weren't necessarily household names before their movies

And they had bases to build a Black Widow movie off of. Could even have down a Scarlet Witch spin-off. Heck stay in WW 2 with Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandos (Yes, I know the show existed, but could have tried a movie)
 
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hodayathink

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lightskintwin said:
Yeah, but money wouldn't be the issue now.



I actually think Scar Jo's "Rough Night" is going to underperform and the Black version "Girls Night" that comes out the following month is going to do better domestically at the box office. Her bargaining position isn't going to be the same.
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I don't see ScarJo as desperate enough for work or for money that she'd take whatever money Marvel offered for the movie. Yes, Marvel has enough scheduled for the future that they could be fine without making it, but even if Rough Night flops, she'll still have enough on her plate where she doesn't need to do the movie either. And that's ignoring the fact that going by the trailers, while she is the main character of the movie, it's not looking like she's the draw (it looks like she's playing the straight girl to all the female comic actors in the trailer that we've seen so far).
 
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lightskintwin

Banned
hodayathink said:
I don't see ScarJo as desperate enough for work or for money that she'd take whatever money Marvel offered for the movie. Yes, Marvel has enough scheduled for the future that they could be fine without making it, but even if Rough Night flops, she'll still have enough on her plate where she doesn't need to do the movie either. And that's ignoring the fact that going by the trailers, while she is the main character of the movie, it's not looking like she's the draw (it looks like she's playing the straight girl to all the female comic actors in the trailer that we've seen so far).
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Ok, but that's not what I argued. LOL ScarJo cannot demand the amount of money she could've after Lucy, due to losing whatever leverage she had after Ghost in the Shell. ScarJo is by far the biggest name in Rough Night and shares top billing.
 
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kswiston

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boxoffice.com updated their long range forecast

They dropped the Mummy again to a $39M OW and $100M total.

They bumped Cars 3 up to $56M OW and $206M total

They dropped the domestic total of Transformers 5 to $187M

New predictions are Atomic Blonde at $27.5M OW / $82.5M total and The Emoji Movie at $27M OW / $95M total


I think that the Atomic Blonde projection is optimistic, but it will probably depend on reviews.
 
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clearacell

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kswiston said:
Deadline updated Wonder Woman's Friday to $38.5M. $100M is looking more likely. Mid 90s if it misses 100M with that Friday.
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I think that number goes up, the NBA finals legit took some air out of it (by a couple of million, but that's significant enough) and those that missed Thursday previews will see it opening weekend because they want to go on social media and be part of what has become a cultural touchstone.
 
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hodayathink

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lightskintwin said:
Ok, but that's not what I argued. LOL ScarJo cannot demand the amount of money she could've after Lucy, due to losing whatever leverage she had after Ghost in the Shell. ScarJo is by far the biggest name in Rough Night.
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I'm saying that even if Rough Night flops, they won't pin it on ScarJo, just like, honestly, most people are blaming the whitewashing controversy for GitS flopping and not her personally. Honestly, if GitS doesn't flop she'd be looking at something like $30-50 million for a Black Widow movie, $20 million is the post-GitS downgrade.
 
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Lord Frieza

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A movie with Patrick Stewart poop emoji is looking to break 100M worldwide it's opening weekend. I dunno if that makes me happy or sad.
 
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lightskintwin

Banned
hodayathink said:
I'm saying that even if Rough Night flops, they won't pin it on ScarJo, just like, honestly, most people are blaming the whitewashing controversy for GitS flopping and not her personally. Honestly, if GitS doesn't flop she'd be looking at something like $30-50 million for a Black Widow movie, $20 million is the post-GitS downgrade.
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I mean I don't know. Two flops in the same year is not a good look especially when you're being marketed front and center.
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Marvel is not in need nor do they even seem interested in making a Black Widow film so I have no idea where you're getting the amount she'd be able to command from.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

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I need that Emoji movie to be lower.

Because that was my biggest bomb of the year bet. Sure, the Mummy was on the suspect list too, but that Emoji shit needs to fail, hard.

also, the 95m number is total gross, not OW, I think. That's the 27m before it.
 
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Lord Frieza

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Freeza Under The Shower said:
I need that Emoji movie to be lower.

Because that was my biggest bomb of the year bet. Sure, the Mummy was on the suspect list too, but that Emoji shit needs to fail, hard.

also, the 95m number is total gross, not OW, I think. That's the 27m before it.
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Total gross for the run worldwide? There's no way. Emoji is going make at least 500 million worldwide
 
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Penguin

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lightskintwin said:
I mean I don't know. Two flops in the same year is not a good look especially when you're being marketed front and center.


Marvel is not in need nor do they even seem interested in making a Black Widow film so I have no idea where you're getting the amount she'd be able to command from.
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That's an actual movie?
 
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