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Wkd BO 1111-1316 - Strange guy and Trolls win, beat out female-lead Arrival
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I saw it was headed for a $90M OW...is that lower than expectations?
Deadline's early Friday number is $30M including previews and mid 70s this weekend.
Oh, BOM said $90M.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Youtube views never lie.
Honest question. How big would the X-Men be under Marvel studios?
An X-men movie done to Marvel's usual quality? I would safely say it would be knocking on a billion. Over a billion in a vacum without Fox's baggage
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Some extra stuff from Deadline:
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Maybe if Marvel waited a decade. I think audiences are largely done with the X-men for the foreseeable future.
They can just wait Fox out and have the X-Men when they inevitably reboot the MCU.
Before the Avengers, they were the biggest superhero team. They were better known to the general public than The Avengers or The Justice League.
A good X-men movie that gives us the characters we know and love with costumes faithful to the comics would be a billion dollar movie. Especially in this day and age. Fox is really not taking full advantage of the IP.
What did he mean by this?
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Billion dollar series for sure. Everyone loves Xmen
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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How is my $250MM domestic and $700MM worldwide prediction looking?
I thought Fantastic had a healthy amount of youtube views?
Competing for Avengers like money on ensemble movies and pulling in $500MM - $800MM for specific characters like Wolverine, Magneto, etc movies. I do think they would have to wait until phase 5 so the bitter Fox taste is gone from the GA's mouth. To be fair though, Deadpool is a great movie and got the character to a whole different tier of popularity. I'm not sure Marvel would have released that movie under their banner.
FF yes, XMen is a lot trickier and I'm sure no one wants a XMenstick from Fox (They will do it....)
Some people are guessing the inhumans moving to a tv show along with xmen being rebooted is a sign of a possible marvel/fox deal where they will be rebooted into the MCU. I have my doubts, though.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Rupert Murdoch's FOX will not be handing out the X-Men license to Marvel in any foreseeable future. If FOX were to be finished with the X-Men IP following Logan's release, Marvel would still have to wait until 2024 before the rights revert back to them. Good luck.
For your information, Deadpool has a different contract in place and is not considered to be part of the FOX deal with Marvel and X-Men.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I don't think that's the case. That's FF's rumored contract.
XMen is probably under the same kind of deal as Spiderman's contract (i.e. 3 years to have a movie in pre-production/5 years to release IIRC).
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
If I'm not mistaken Deadline had an article about FOX's Marvel rights (I'd have to find it) and both stipulated that FOX had rights to Fantastic Four and X-Men with a seven year time lapse (add one year if in pre-production).
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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The highest viewed trailer has about 12M, which is very low for this kind of film. Looking at youtube views doesn't take into account other social media platforms, of course, but I've found trying to parse that information very difficult now that companies have started to tout trailer views in marketing.
Well, we were considering the hypothetical of Marvel getting the rights now, anyway.
There were rumors recently of another X-men film with Fassbender, McAvory, and Lawrence too, right?
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Well, we were considering the hypothetical of Marvel getting the rights now, anyway.
There were rumors recently of another X-men film with Fassbender, McAvory, and Lawrence too, right?
In regards to the next X-Men film, I'm not sure what FOX wants to do. But given the caliber of the actors mentioned and salaries (since they would need to negotiate a new contract), maybe they are better off concentrating on New Mutants or X-Force until they know what to do with the "mainline" X-Men per se.
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The x-men could be the basis of the next phase of Marvel. The characters are big enough to replace the current set.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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X-Men was - by far - my favorite comic book/super hero cartoon growing up. To the point where my first AOL account was something like Wolverine123 and the password was "mutants" lol. It's sad to see the IP in such shambles. If they got rebooted in the MCU I would geek out.
If you could find that article that would be great, but I think that's for the FF.
If you could find that article that would be great, but I think that's for the FF.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
By the way, it's not only the rumored "Fantastic Four" contract that FOX had with Marvel that had a seven year time lapse - Daredevil and Elektra had the same terms.
Daredevil's IP rights reverted to Marvel in 2012 following Elektra's release in 2005 (7 year time lapse) given that FOX had nothing tangible for a Daredevil feature film.
In regards to the article, trying to find it but nothing currently.
Daredevil rights from Deadline: http://deadline.com/2013/04/toldja-daredevil-rights-revert-from-fox-to-disney-481886/
Probably on the high side of things, but not by a ton. I'm not really sure where Strange ends up this weekend worldwide with Fantastic Beasts launching, but I'd guess somewhere between $560-570M WW. Maybe a bit higher if holds aren't terrible overseas. With every territory in release other than Japan, another $100M might be about as good as we can expect, unless I am lowballing this weekend. $125M with fantastic holds after this weekend, and a not completely shitty Japanese take.
I'm imagining Wolverine in the Civil War airport fight.
Does Fox retain the rights as long as they make anything with mutant characters in it? There are a ton of movies they could make without the word X-Men in the title if they want to string along those rights for a decade or two while hunger for X-films has some time to recuperate.
Colonel Nasty
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I think we can't judge a Marvel owned Xmen till we see how Spidey performs next year.
Spider-man Homecoming is still a Sony film. Marvel Studios is producing, but Sony is free to fuck up its ad campaign and other details as much as they like.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Correct: "400 characters that Fox owns"
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-guardians-galaxy-2-were-because-a-mixup-947712
The good news is that it's not being written by Alex Kurtzman/Roberto Orci.
The bad news is that it has six credited screenwriters, none of which have worked on any notable or good movies (one is credited on The Lego Batman Movie, but that's it).
I hope it's good, but boy, the odds are not in its favor.
Boxoffice.com updated their long range forecast.
I guess studios decided it was a good idea to schedule 5 wide releases for January 13th. Everyone's favourite, Monster Trucks, is currently being given a $12M (4-day) opening and $22M total. I think that the legs don't add up given the fact that it's a kids film, but no one is expecting good things.
Moana got bumped to a $70M opening (not counting the Wed/Thurs leading into the weekend) and a $300M total. I guess social media buzz is strong.
Everything else looks the same.
I guess studios decided it was a good idea to schedule 5 wide releases for January 13th. Everyone's favourite, Monster Trucks, is currently being given a $12M (4-day) opening and $22M total. I think that the legs don't add up given the fact that it's a kids film, but no one is expecting good things.
Moana got bumped to a $70M opening (not counting the Wed/Thurs leading into the weekend) and a $300M total. I guess social media buzz is strong.
Everything else looks the same.
illmatic22
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Monster Trucks gives me hope that someone will greenlight my own shitty movies.
God bless America.
God bless America.
Dash_Riprock
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Beast is only gonna do mid 70s this weekend? Wasn't it tracking for $90- $100 million a few weeks ago? What happened?
Gentleman Jack
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Only if you're a toddler and the son of a studio executive.
Maybe Cursed Child did more damage than anyone thought, or maybe the name doesn't have the recognition WB thought it would.
Was cursed child really that bad?
I haven't read it, I've just heard from people I know that are really into HP that they didn't like it at all.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Yeah I remember DD and Elektra being 7 years or close to it. I compare X-Men to Spiderman because they have always been an "A" tier Marvel franchise unlike DD, Elektra, and FF (the latter's film rights might still be owned by Constantin for all we know). Fox has also released a new movie with XMen (or some variation) in it every 3 years or so.
I don't think we can say that Fox can make films without XMen (or a variation such as X-Force or X2) in the title and keep the rights. I believe swiss question was if Fox made Deadpool, Wolverine, Gambit, Storm, etc and didn't make an "XMen" titled movie for 10 years, would they still keep the rights? I think the answer is no, but I don't know for sure.
Any BO expectation for that? I think anything less than $800MM WW is a disappointment.
Obliterator
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I'm surprised Beasts is tracking so low. What's the budget again?
I'm not sure they are going to make it through 5 more movies or whatever the heck they had planned
I'm not sure they are going to make it through 5 more movies or whatever the heck they had planned
180 I think.
Well, I wouldn't put too much stock into that article. Although a direct quote is of course more than the usual comic book speculation nonsense.
It might be 70s..
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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If the numbers fall down a bit for Friday, and the weekend comes in around mid 60's. There's a decent chance it ends up with only $150M domestically. That's probably the worst case scenario for Beasts, but I wonder if that would get WB to reevaluate their four sequels.
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