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Wkd Box Office 01•01-03•16 - Hate flows through BO as TFA eyes all-time DOM record

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numble

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Updated for today:

Here are comparisons of China presales from a specific pre-order site, Gewara. Obviously it only represents a small percentage of sales, but it seems they like to use it for tracking purposes. It is not a good predictor, as you can see, but it can still be fun to follow:

My sources for the numbers of the other movies are here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=191025740&postcount=2670

Minions (final gross - $68,490,000)
02.09.2015 Beijing time 00:10 -- Minions - 673 (8 days before premier)
03.09.2015 Beijing time 00:01 -- Minions - 1033
04.09.2015 Beijing time 00:10 -- Minions - 1972
07.09.2015 Beijing time 00:01 -- Minions - 4457
08.09.2015 Beijing time 01:30 -- Minions - 6780
09.09.2015 Beijing time 00:50 -- Minions - 11187
10.09.2015 Beijing time 00:01 -- Minions - 16382
11.09.2015 Beijing time 00:30 -- Minions - 30320
12.09.2015 Beijing time 00:01 -- Minions - 57328 (Premier)

Jurassic World (final gross - $228,740,000)
06.06.2015 Beijing time 00:20 -- JW - 6889 (4 days before premier)
07.06.2015 Beijing time 18:20 -- JW - 10027
08.06.2015 Beijing time 00:05 -- JW - 31073
09.06.2015 Beijing time 00:00 -- JW - 73115
10.06.2015 Beijing time 00:00 -- JW - 184599 (Premier)

Furious 7 (final gross - $390,910,000)
2015-04-01 10:45 - 15 (11 days before premier)
2015-04-02 08:39 -139
2015-04-03 07:57 - 856
2015-04-04 08:11 - 4,166
2015-04-05 08:03 - 9,352
2015-04-06 18:11 - 22,717
2015-04-07 18:40 - 81,588 (5 days before premier)
2015-04-08 07:25 -101,494 (4 days before premier)
2015-04-09 00:58 -141,564 (3 days before premier)
2015-04-10 00:45 -193,250 (2 days before premier)
2015-04-11 23:36 - 472,900
2015-04-12 (Premier)

Age of Ultron (final gross - $240,110,000)
05-05 22:20 62,441 (6 days before premier)
05-06 16:20 74,056 (5 days before premier)
05-07 13:20 106,817 (4 days before premier)
05-08 23:00 170,455 (3 days before premier)
05-09 14:00 201,098(2 days before premier)
05-10 22:31 250,953
05-11 (Premier)

TFA:
http://www.gewara.com/movie/224406330
12-30 5,936 (10 days before premier)
12-31 6 pm 10,629 (9 days before premier)
01-01 9 pm 21,252 (8 days before premier)
01-02 10:30 pm 28,715 (7 days before premier)
01-03 9:30 pm 38,139 (6 days before premier)
01-04 5 pm 46,761 (5 days before premier)
01-05 10:30 pm 71,486 (4 days before premier)
01-06 11:30 pm 102,993 (3 days before premier)
01-07 10:40 pm 145,938 (2 days before premier)
 
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Ridley327

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It stands to reason that Rogue One would perform better than TFA in China, right? Donnie Yen is massive over there, and he's looking to have a rather substantial role in that film.
 
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numble

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Ridley327 said:
It stands to reason that Rogue One would perform better than TFA in China, right? Donnie Yen is massive over there, and he's looking to have a rather substantial role in that film.
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It also will have Jiang Wen who is also a big star (not just for action roles which Donnie is popular).
 
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Matt_

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I'd imagine that the grosses for episodes 8 and 9 will probably increase on 7 too
 
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Branduil

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Matt_ said:
I'd imagine that the grosses for episodes 8 and 9 will probably increase on 7 too
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Yeah I can see episode 8 and 9 having bigger international grosses than 7 if they build the brand up over the next few years. Don't know if that will be enough to counteract the likely domestic decline, though.
 
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Ridley327

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numble said:
It also will have Jiang Wen who is also a big star (not just for action roles which Donnie is popular).
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Wow, they're definitely pulling out the stops there. It does make me wonder why they didn't tell Abrams to cast some popular Chinese actors for the roles that the Raid duo played; it would have been a cheap and obvious ploy, but it would have helped get some more butts in the seats over there, and it's not like it would have impacted the integrity of that scene.
 
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BattleMonkey

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Ridley327 said:
Wow, they're definitely pulling out the stops there. It does make me wonder why they didn't tell Abrams to cast some popular Chinese actors for the roles that the Raid duo played; it would have been a cheap and obvious ploy, but it would have helped get some more butts in the seats over there, and it's not like it would have impacted the integrity of that scene.
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Wont be surprised to see some more chinese big names appearing in ep 8 and 9
 
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kswiston

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Ridley327 said:
Wow, they're definitely pulling out the stops there. It does make me wonder why they didn't tell Abrams to cast some popular Chinese actors for the roles that the Raid duo played; it would have been a cheap and obvious ploy, but it would have helped get some more butts in the seats over there, and it's not like it would have impacted the integrity of that scene.
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They could have replaced General Ginger with a Chinese Actor with decent English without affecting the film as well. That would have had more weight.
 
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Ridley327

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kswiston said:
They could have replaced General Ginger with a Chinese Actor with decent English without affecting the film as well. That would have had more weight.
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Not a bad idea, though Gleeson was definitely having a ton of fun with that big speech he gets to deliver, delivering it with just the right amount of hambone.
 
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guek

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kswiston said:
They could have replaced General Ginger with a Chinese Actor with decent English without affecting the film as well. That would have had more weight.
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Pssssh. When was the last time you saw an asian in space? Nothin' but white people floating up there.

More asian actors in big hollywood movies always gets me excited though. I hope they end up with some meaty roles in Rogue One and aren't just window dressing to add character.
 
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KingSnake

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kswiston said:
They could have replaced General Ginger with a Chinese Actor with decent English without affecting the film as well. That would have had more weight.
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With that speech? That might have denied the movie the whole Chinese market. Too close to the cultural revolution.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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I don't know that making the only Chinese actor in your film play the 3rd bad guy is all that great a move.

I think Rogue One will need to be successful in a markedly different way than any previous Star Wars movie. Not just how it looks, but how it plays, too. Obviously Lucasfilm wants worldwide success with all their projects, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the spinoffs are more specifically targeted at international audiences.
 
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kswiston

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KingSnake said:
Why would Germany have against that? It doesn't use Nazi symbols as propaganda, so it doesn't break the law. I'm not aware of any political censorship in Germany.
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I guess I am not sure what you mean then. If China had an issue with that speech because they felt it was riffing the cultural revolution, I would imagine that it would be censored regardless of who delivered it. Movies are censored there all the time. Changing the wording of the Star Wars speech doesn't really affect the film much. Bad guys are evil. Good guys need to stop them. It's all pretty straight forward.

Anyhow, we are all in agreement that the casting for Rogue One seems to cater more to international audiences than Episode VII's cast.
 
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KingSnake

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kswiston said:
I guess I am not sure what you mean then. If China had an issue with that speech because they felt it was riffing the cultural revolution, I would imagine that it would be censored regardless of who delivered it. Movies are censored there all the time. Changing the wording of the Star Wars speech doesn't really affect the film much. Bad guys are evil. Good guys need to stop them. It's all pretty straight forward.
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As it is, that speech reminds of nazis. That speech delivered by a Chinese guy would be much more uncomfortable for the Chinese censors. Because in the end there isn't too much of a difference between nazis and communists when it comes to propaganda and the love for big spectacles and speeches.
 
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duckroll

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Bobby Roberts said:
I don't know that making the only Chinese actor in your film play the 3rd bad guy is all that great a move.

I think Rogue One will need to be successful in a markedly different way than any previous Star Wars movie. Not just how it looks, but how it plays, too. Obviously Lucasfilm wants worldwide success with all their projects, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the spinoffs are more specifically targeted at international audiences.
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They also yave the advantage of being stand alone films instead of being part of a long series.
 
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Surfinn

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numble said:
Furious 7 (final gross - $390,910,000)
2015-04-01 10:45 - 15 (11 days before premier)
2015-04-02 08:39 -139
2015-04-03 07:57 - 856
2015-04-04 08:11 - 4,166
2015-04-05 08:03 - 9,352
2015-04-06 18:11 - 22,717
2015-04-07 18:40 - 81,588 (5 days before premier)
2015-04-08 07:25 -101,494 (4 days before premier)
2015-04-09 00:58 -141,564 (3 days before premier)
2015-04-10 00:45 -193,250 (2 days before premier)
2015-04-11 23:36 - 472,900
2015-04-12 (Premier)
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Holy shit at that 2 to 1 day before premiere. Over double presales.. am I reading that right? Can we expect a decent jump for TFA, similarly?
 
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kswiston

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Surfinn said:
Holy shit at that 2 to 1 day before premiere. Over double presales.. am I reading that right? Can we expect a decent jump for TFA, similarly?
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No. Look at the time stamps. There's basically 2 days between that Apr 10 to Apr 11 presale count.

EDIT: here's the preorder count on April 10 for Furious 7, taken at a time more in line with Numble's TFA time for today's number:

2015-04-10 23:22 - 319,921
 
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Surfinn

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kswiston said:
No. Look at the time stamps. There's basically 2 days between that Apr 10 to Apr 11 presale count.

EDIT: here's the preorder count on April 10 for Furious 7, taken at a time more in line with Numble's TFA time for today's number:

2015-04-10 23:22 - 319,921
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Ah right.. still, that's a crazy increase for two days. So there probably won't be a similar type of explosion for TFA..
 
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kswiston

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Surfinn said:
I wonder why it made twice as much overseas as it did domestically on Wednesday?
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I think some territories overseas have extended school holidays. We'll see what tomorrow looks like, as Thursday is a popular day for new releases.

KingSnake said:
Even if China will be in the lower $200 million range, it has to pass Titanic WW, I don't see how it won't.
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$200M is not a guarantee for China. $950M domestic, $1.05B worldwide, and $150M China would miss Titanic for instance. TFA has a good chance at hitting #2, but it isn't locked yet. We need to see this weekend's hold.
 
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KooopaKid

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It's a shame we will never know the number of tickets sold. Why isn't it counted?
It's the only worthwhile metric for popularity.
 
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Branduil

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KooopaKid said:
It's a shame we will never know the number of tickets sold. Why isn't it counted?
It's the only worthwhile metric for popularity.
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Movie studios don't want it to be too obvious that they lose attendance every year.

The drops are different but TFA is doing very similar numbers to Avatar's first non-Holiday weekdays so far.
 
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wachie

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Branduil said:
Movie studios don't want it to be too obvious that they lose attendance every year.

The drops are different but TFA is doing very similar numbers to Avatar's first weekdays so far.
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TFA will also have sold way more tickets than the difference in actual gross compared to Avatar.
 
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Branduil

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It's certainly hard to imagine TFA's record being broken any time soon. How many movies in the next 5 years will even pass Avatar? Other than more Star Wars movies, I can't think of anything that probably has a realistic chance.
 
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Eidan

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Man, reading through BOM's write up of TFA becoming the highest grossing domestic film is painful. Take a shot for every time we're reminded that this does not account for inflation. Dude even brings it up for the goddamn worldwide gross.
 
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Nazgul_Hunter

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Eidan said:
Man, reading through BOM's write up of TFA becoming the highest grossing domestic film is painful. Take a shot for every time we're reminded that this does not account for inflation. Dude even brings it up for the goddamn worldwide gross.
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BOM is only good for historical data nowadays. It's a damn shame what IMDB did to that site.
 
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Decado

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Sad that Star Wars has overshadowed hateful and revenent. Those two can't get big format screens anywhere in my area.
 
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igordennis

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Reading these threads the past few weeks has actually made me watch Avatar again. I blame you guys.

The cg is still god tier, have to laugh at people saying it looks bad nowadays. It still looks better than 99% of the cg out there.
 
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Decado said:
Sad that Star Wars has overshadowed hateful and revenent. Those two can't get big format screens anywhere in my area.
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I feel in a way star wars kinda reminds people they could go to the movies, so they kinda ask "what else is playing?"

At least where i live... saw some friends that never go to theater watching hateful eight
 
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