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Wkd Box Office 0403-0515 - Vin Diesel furiously beats off competition
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RastaMentality
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breadtruck
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Damn son. Congrats to Furious 7 on showing us what its like to live life a 1/4 mile at at time.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Not surprising.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I think others asked it before, but besides being a fan, why do you have such a vested interest in Dreamworks stuff? That seems to be the main thing you always talk about and always have very detailed breakdowns of each movie.
I am just curious.
Damn, $800 million in two weeks. Imagine if the dollar weren't so strong.
The China opening being above Transformers 4 is crazy and unexpected.
Avengers and Star Wars starting to see something in their rear view mirror.
HeartlessNobody213
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Overseas box office is mind blowing.
Wafflecakes
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It wasn't me doing those breakdowns. You have me confused with another guy.
....and I am a fan of Dreamworks. What exactly is strange about that?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah. More like everyone might have actually been underestimating how huge this year will be at the boxoffice.
China is really going to change the Hollywood game in the next decade. I think within the next 5-10 years, pretty much every blockbuster will be grossing more in China than domestic.
We are already seeing the beginning of this. Need for Speed 2 is happening because of the Chinese gross.
We are already seeing the beginning of this. Need for Speed 2 is happening because of the Chinese gross.
PhoncipleBone
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Sorry I confused you with the breakdowns. That is my fault.
And nothing strange about being a fan. I was just curious if there was something else since most posts focus on DW stuff is all. I did not mean any harm.
Wafflecakes
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I don't really see it. Especially when the studio's get to keep less than 25% of the money they make over there.
The only reason Pacific Rim is getting a sequel (which I'm happy about) is China.
TheExhaustedWalrus
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Good lord @ Furious 7. Finally gonna see it today, can't wait.
How much of a cut a studio gets has nothing to do with China topping the domestic market.
The lower gross participation won't matter when Chinese grosses get large enough, especially as Chinese co-production becomes more common.
Furious 7 made as much in one day as the last film did total in China. Domestic gross has been stagnant for a decade now, but China continues to see 20-30% annual growth on its already sizable movie industry.
Wafflecakes
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It has a MASSIVE amount to do with whether or not China will "change the Hollywood game".
TacticalFox88
Banned
HOLY SHIT!
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I thought it was gonna crawl to a billion.
Now it's going to zoom right past it.
WTF....
PhoncipleBone
Banned
That Chinese opening day is insane.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This movie made 70 mil in a single day over there.
Even if studios are only getting 25% of that, they're going to want that 25%
For example, that's a 17 million dollar Sunday for their cut, using the rough math. It made 18 million here in the US on Friday. And studios aren't getting all that 18 mil, either.
You're saying this isn't going to play a significant part in their assessment of the financials going forward? After all the time you spend in these threads? C'mon now. It's a big deal. Besides which we've already got evidence the Chinese market is changing the blockbuster game in very appreciable ways. This is just more of it.
Wafflecakes
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I never said it wouldn't have an effect, or that it was not important.
The idea that Hollywood will be fundamentally changed, when the vast bulk of their profits are still coming for NA/EU, is silly though.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not silly. You're seeing it happen right now. China is shifting the weight of that "vast bulk." Again - this movie made more for the studio on Sunday in China than it did in America on Friday. You can't just handwave that away as "silly." That's going to mean something going forward.
Wafflecakes
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Oh I agree that in a few years, if the growth continues, it will be an extremely important market.
TacticalFox88
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Jesus, I wonder how AoU will do in China, now.
Wafflecakes
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Don't try to straw man my argument. I never once said it meant nothing. I never once said the gross was silly.
What I said is the idea that right now China is massively changing the industry is silly considering how restrictive and inconsistent the market is.
If you want to argue with a fictional person and make up their arguments.... please choose someone else to project those arguments onto.
That's what I said to start with. "Within the next decade"
In 2025, Hollywood films making more in China, perhaps even counting the inequality in gross participation will be a normal occurrence, not a rare exception.
Corpsepyre
Banned
800 million in 2 weeks?!?!? What the hell!?
Sucks I haven't watched it yet. Need to rectify this!
Sucks I haven't watched it yet. Need to rectify this!
Matt_
World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
what on earth
am I reading that fast 7 nearly did what fast 6 did in china in ONE DAY!?
do they go to china in this one? what on earth caused this massive explosion
Fast 6 got a shitty release slate that was a couple months after the US release during a crowded period. Other than that, just normal Chinese growth. See Transformers, Iron Man 3, X-Men films, etc.
Iron Man 3 nearly doubled the Avengers gross in China. Crazy how fast the market exploded.
Wafflecakes
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That's what I said to start with. "Within the next decade"
In 2025, films making more in China, perhaps even counting the inequality in gross participation will be a normal occurrence, not a rare exception.
I don't think the growth is guaranteed there though. China is well known for restricting releases, and I imagine that their own home-grown market for films will start to compete more with Hollywood soon.
Looking at other major Asian markets, such as India and Japan, while they do occasionally have big grosses for western films, those are the exceptions, not the rule. For every Frozen in Japan, there are dozens of films that make virtually nothing.
I would be thrilled if China develops into the next cash cow for Hollywood, I just don't see it as a sure thing yet. Just a possibility.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm not straw-manning shit. I'm directly quoting you and responding to the words you're writing. I'm not taking anything out of context (and even if I were, the words are directly above for anyone to scroll back and read in their intended context).
This isn't an imaginary conversation I'm having that I've just happened to attach your avatar to. Swiston said this is an example of the way the market is going to change moving forward. You disagreed, citing the low percentage studios get from that money. I pointed out that low percentage, in this case, is still a LOT of money. You doubled down and said the suggestion this sort of situation changing the game moving forward is a silly assumption.
If your sticking point is the "right now" part of the conversation, then that's your own sticking point, as it's pretty obvious both K-Swiss & myself are talking about a gradual evolution of the market over time, and not an immediate sea change that upends the way the industry does business. This "the market is pretty volatile" tack you're currently taking only just now started appearing in your arguments. It wasn't present previously.
SnowFlakeCake
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Nope, it's just that China is growing at a rapid rate which we have not seen in other regions. Making $1 billion WW is nothing now, becoming a common occurrence. The bigger question now will Star wars and Avengers get past $2 billion? The next James bond film should also rip through $1 billion again, a question is by how much.
I wish my films made $1 billion
ryutaro's mama
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"Bu-bu-but this should be the last one...let the series end here."
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It's amazing to me that people think their personal opinions are fact.
Wafflecakes
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Oh please. You are 100% making up my argument.
PLEASE..... point out exactly where I claimed that Furious' Box office was "silly" as you claimed I said here:
(Pretty much the definition of Strawman btw.)
You also implied that I said that studio's would not take China into consideration when planning, which I never said.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No I'm not.
Again - if you're going to focus on that one line as if it's representative of the thrust of the discussion up to that point, like it's an example of my trying to trap you or misinterpret your words, you're being disingenuous as hell. Like Pee-Wee curbing his bike and popping up triumphantly disingenuous.
Wafflecakes
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Well, after this well reasoned argument filled with facts and evidence, you have me convinced.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There's only so much one can do, man.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Jurassic and Furious.
Wafflecakes
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That quote IS representative because it directly states that I said something which I did not, as well as creating a strawman writing off my actual argument.
A lie is a lie, and a strawman is a strawman, whether I quote just that line or every line of every post in this thread.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Wafflecakes
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You could just quote where I made the argument you said I made in your post and end it.
However, considering that it doesn't exist, you reaction is unsurprising.
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