Well I do remember that was how one thread ended up going. A guy that lived there was explaining how his Sister has it really good there, she can do this and do that and the media is just exaggerating. I think it was an arrest thread or stoning thread believe it or not.
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Woman sparks outrage as she is filmed walking in a skirt in Saudi Arabia
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Well I do remember that was how one thread ended up going. A guy that lived there was explaining how his Sister has it really good there, she can do this and do that and the media is just exaggerating. I think it was an arrest thread or stoning thread believe it or not.
Spartancarver
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Religion.
Audioboxer
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The Government should be able to shut that down so either they are complicit in it, or they don't care. Both pretty immoral stances to take if you value equality and individual rights.
I have never shyed from criticizing Islam on this forum before but it is actually Wahhabism that is the main culprit here. The Kingdom of Saud practicesand adheres to a strict interpretation of Islam. A very hardline Sunni style of Islam where the word of the Quran is taken literally. It is why beheadings over apostasy and blasphemy still occur routinely.
The dangerous part is that they are so rich and powerful they are the real financier of global terrorism and hardline Islamic extremism. Even hardline Muslim countries have never reached the point Saudi Arabia has. And as long as they tolerate Israel, sell oil cheap to the world Superpower and buy hundreds of billions in overpriced weaponry, they will never be called out on it. They can force the media to blackout their crushing of their own arab spring, behead citizens of other nations and be free of reprisal, kill and bomb thousands of Yemeni civilians right now etc.
The horror!
Audioboxer
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The people call SA out all the time, it's the Government's/UN and more that operate on $$$. One of the most hypocritical moves of big Donald's (any anyone before him) travel bans was ignoring SA which has produced more terrorism than anywhere else. Don't want to be pissing off the prince's and billionaires supplying your oil and buying your weapons, though.
Or you can drag the UK into this too https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eep-people-streets-britain-safe-a7230836.html / https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ublish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html
It'll probably be outside of our lifetimes before anything changes as the oil will need to be truly dried up. Then again if they still keep buying all of our weapons that'll keep them as a global "ally". I guess that's the big question, what comes first, SA/the world running out of oil, or certain countries stopping treating women like complete dirt? Place your bets now.
WeAreStarStuff
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Such a backwards country; I hate that we give them so much money.
Spaced Harrier
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I don't think its even possible to understand how brave this is.
She must have balls, no ovaries, of fucking titanium.
She's literally a target for death now it's gone so public.
Hope she stays safe, isn't recognized and is able to get asylum out of that awful place.
She must have balls, no ovaries, of fucking titanium.
She's literally a target for death now it's gone so public.
Hope she stays safe, isn't recognized and is able to get asylum out of that awful place.
So.... Islam.
The government doesn't really care, the religious police allow them to satisfy their conservative population, while the religious police themselves control the less conservative people.
Here's a fact that Fox news won't tell you: what the woman is wearing here is not illegal in 21 out of the 22 Arab states.
I'm not a practicing Muslim, I won't tell you not to criticize religion, but learn about the Middle East before you actually engage in criticism that comes across as nothing more than dog whistle racism.
cromofo
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Ok...
SoRuffShoNuff
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For her own safety I hope she is no longer in the country. If she stays this will end badly.
For the damage they cause outside of their borders, top 10 worst for sure.
UnemployedVillain
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Saudia Arabia is perhaps the most backward place on the face of the earth.
This is considered progress ...
(First restaurant run by women)
Just horrible what is done to women over there.
I can almost make out a nose bridge. How lewd!
Thanks. I needed some fap worthy material.
The horror!
Audioboxer
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A Government shouldn't even have a "religious police" situation in the first place. It's essentially vigilante justice inspired chaos. Then again, it's not like this can just be pinned on a legal system operating out with the main legal system. I'd very much not like to be a woman facing any legal system in a place like Saudi Arabia. Whether you say it's the religious police or the government employed police state. It's a shit show for women all round.
Bu-bu-but guys, it's actually their choice, those are free women who freely choose to wear a fucking blanket over their bodies. It's not sexist indoctrination, no sir.Saudia Arabia is perhaps the most backward place on the face of the earth.
This is considered progress ...
(First restaurant run by women)
Just horrible what is done to women over there.
Thank God for anti hijab laws in Western countries. Fuck advocating for this shit.
sankt-Antonio
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Kind of funny how Russia is made out to be this horrible hellhole, yet Saudis are the West's best friends - regardless of what they do. Behead people because they are homosexuals, fine, imprison women because they wear a skirt, fine. etc...
Disgusting. The renewable energy revolution can't start soon enough.
Disgusting. The renewable energy revolution can't start soon enough.
It is when brown people are not allowed to have a diversity of opinion, and that all of them have to be a monolith.
Criticizing religion is very easy, but I never see people actually criticize religion, it's always dog whistles.
Gordon Shumway
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You do know that nobody is talking about Saudi Arabian women when they talk about choice, right? Like, no one is arguing that Saudi Arabian women are free to wear whatever they want. Like the issue is that it's literally a law over there, which is indeed the issue. People that wear that by choice in a country that doesn't force them to wear literally has nothing to do with this.
There aren't any anti hijab laws in Western countries btw.
Precisely, it's nothing more than a method to control the population. They run around like Mafia scaring people into submission.
You should really take a read at the EU veil ban thread. The amount of people saying it was their choice was staggering. No, it's not a choice, it's either indoctrination or fear, plain and simple. They wear it because if they don't, stuff like this happens.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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She better be careful if she is identified. Who knows shat the ultra conservative people there will do to her.
johancruijff
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Burqify!
Stuff like what? Why are you comparing a literal backwards repressive theocracy to what people choose to wear on free democratic countries?
The EU veil ban thread is also not about bans on Hijabs. The only thing close to bans on Hijabs would be the court ruling on workplaces being able to ban them, which is a pretty fair ruling since workplaces should be able to have dress codes.
ChubbyHuggs
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I saw her ankles! That'll last in the spank bank for a long time.
Morrigan Stark
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Bullshit. As a woman, honestly, I think I'd pick Saudi Arabia to visit over... North Korea, maybe Sudan and Somalia, and that's about it.
Probably not even in the top 30? How the fuck do you figure?
Whatever it is, I'm sure it is absolutely, positive, 100% unrelated to religion.
That's just not true...
I'd love to see actual criticism instead of Bill Maher screaming "Muslim people hate women and gay people".
That's not criticising religion.
I'm pretty sure most people in the West still think SA is a hellhole. A hellhole with lots of oil
I think this women would be wise to consider emigrating before she's identified. Mostly because she might actually land in prison for this
Hmmmmmmmmm
Not true, even though I dislike it, this isn't true. 3 girls I grew up with wore a hijab for entirely different reasons and even if I challenged them on what I then (during secondary school) considered as only a perceived choice the truth of the matter is their freedom to wear it here can be achieved via autonomous thought. Some girls have even said after converting and donning a hijab or burka they've felt a great sense of pride and even feel free from sexualisation during their daily life.
Audioboxer
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Control women more like, as I find it challenging to have sympathy for men in such places regardless of what they follow/adhere to. The structures in place are often man-made and men themselves have the control/power to reinvent and redistribute the power evenly across the genders. If you want to see true patriarchal structures look to places where women aren't seen equally by law and have to adhere to oppressive regimes that aren't equally applied to the men.
One of my favourite statements by Hitchens, for as much as many may dislike him, was stating the obvious ~ The true empowerment of women in many of these societies is what will actually overthrow them and bring them down. Keep the women in-line and oppressed and you keep the society from ever changing.
I was quite active in that thread, and regardless of any posters disagreeing with me there has to be a distinction made between full-face veils and headscarves/hijabs (you said anti hijab laws, but it may just have been a mistake on your part). I think there is a very legitimate case to be made for full-face veils being the height of oppression/dehumanisation, where as headscarves and hijabs at least allow facial interactions/identity. I still think it's oppressive for a doctrine to say you need to cover your hair/body, but I don't think it's as clear/fair a case for government intervention. Social intervention will probably be the best disinfectant for anyone feeling they have to wear a hijab. Whereas a case can be made to not even giving an inch to full-face veils for how horrific they are.
I know a lot of activists in SA, most of them don't want to leave, they want to stay and fight for their rights. It's absurd that these women are being told to leave their country when the West should tell Saudi Arabia to give women their rights or they get no weapons.
No actually, any criticism people see is sit down immediately and labeled a dog whistle. If you haven't seen legitimate you're not being objective
BobNewbert31
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Saudia Arabia is perhaps the most backward place on the face of the earth.
This is considered progress ...
(First restaurant run by women)
Just horrible what is done to women over there.
Woman on the left. Food on her hands from prepping or burns, growths, something else?
This right here. Hopefully she is safe. Great that it gets conversation going, but not at the risk she put herself into by posting that. Hopefully she posted it while safe in another country.
That's ignoring intersectionality, women across all spectrums, LGBT and non-binary people, as well as Shia men all face extreme prejudice.
HellforLeather
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Religious types.
sturgboski
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Washington Post posted she has been arrested according to state television reports. So, she definitely should have left the country before this. Hope she makes it out ok...
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