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[tearsintherain]

Don't worry guys, you can petition the UN Women's Rights Commission which is charged with protecting women's rights worldwide, and recently elected saudi arabia to the council in a secret vote.
http://thehill.com/policy/internati...-arabia-elected-to-un-womens-right-commission

 

[Ottaro]

Yeah we should totally tell them how to tell the women in the country how to dress...

We shouldnt be telling them how women should dress, we should be telling them women can dress how they want.

 

[Budi]

How do you feel about the indecent exposure laws here in the US?

Aren't those laws way more equal between men and women than the stuff in the OP? Also I wonder if the punishments are as severe.

 

[mlclmtckr]

This should be the case regardless of their women's attire.

I seriously cannot believe I'm watching someone cape for Wahabbi misogyny. I don't know what the fuck is even happening here.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I seriously cannot believe I'm watching someone cape for Wahabbi misogyny. I don't know what the fuck is even happening here.

Defense force for everything

 

[SlaughterX]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

 

[Alo0oy]

Don't worry guys, you can petition the UN Women's Rights Commission which is charged with protecting women's rights worldwide, and recently elected saudi arabia to the council in a secret vote.
http://thehill.com/policy/internati...-arabia-elected-to-un-womens-right-commission

The UN is a farce. I don't know how could anybody in the UN that cared about women allow this to happen.

 

[Budi]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

I'm just saying that you should care more about how people are oppressed.

 

[Ottaro]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

You could handwave away any number of atrocious human rights violations with this terrible argument.

 

[mlclmtckr]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

In first year anthropology they teach you that avoiding ethnocentrism to the point of excusing all behaviour, even the most reprehensible, is in fact a form of ethnocentrism in itself.

Half of the population of Saudi Arabia lives in straight up handmaid's tale times and you're worried about offending the cultural sensitivities of a brutal dictatorship.

 

[AmFreak]

That would be because much of the criticism just focuses on a surface level analysis that just generalises every Muslim and fails to address the issue in depth and actually research it. Stuff like this is fruit of the horrendous Wahhabism ideology, but most Muslims don't follow that ideology. But politicians love to blame the entire Muslim world for everything, but they always fail to denounce Wahhabism and cut relations with Saudi Arabia, because they don't care about actual human rights. They only care about having a scapegoat so they keep getting elected, and money.

While true, blaming the entire Muslim world is completely different than blaming Religion.
(Monotheistic) Religion was and will always be used to exert power and legitimate bullshit that wouldn't be accepted or would have a much harder standing otherwise.
If you brainwash an entire population from the birth up ofc they will accept that bullshit more easily.
Even in the most progressive societies today ("the West") religion gets an unique treatment and often a pass for nonsense that would never fly otherwise.

 

[Alo0oy]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

Saudi Arabia is not a culture, it's a Mafia that treats women and minorities like they are subhuman. Nobody should tolerate intolerance.

 

[SlaughterX]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

 

[Mimosa97]

How do you feel about the indecent exposure laws here in the US?

I'm not american. I am French. I've posted many times about how much i despise american puritanism.

Anyway arw you really trying to equal the two? Your relativism will be the doom of your intellect.

 

[Cagey]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

A halfway decent human being.

 

[HazySaiyan]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

So do are you totally cool with Female Genital Mutilation then? I mean it's just part of other cultures so you can't criticise it, right?

 

[Pau]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

Yeah if women don't like it there they should just leave. Because that's so fucking easy.

 

[Kayhan]

Yeah we should totally tell them how to tell the women in the country how to dress...

How do you feel about the indecent exposure laws here in the US?

Garbage relativism posts of the day.

 

[Pau]

So do are you totally cool with Female Genital Mutilation then? I mean it's just part of other cultures so you can't criticise it, right?

Girls who don't want to go through the procedure should have thought better about where they decided to be born and grow up.

 

[Aselith]

I kinda want to preserve this post for the next USGaf "Woman showed her boobs/too much skin/ass "hanging out" outrage thread.

Have there been threads like this?

 

[mlclmtckr]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

This is like saying we shouldn't have been upset about Darfur because who are we to judge another culture for committing atrocities and if people didn't like being murdered and displaced they should just move.

Or that if the holocaust was so bad why didn't the Jews just organise a protest about it at a large scale.

 

[oxrock]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

If men were held to similar abhorrent standards across the board I could sort of almost find something to agree with here. Sadly, women are generally treated as lesser beings than men in that horrible country. There are things that simply shouldn't be tolerated regardless of culture and shouldn't be protected by cultural acceptance. Woman are raped and then put to death in that horrible country. They're told how to dress, told who they can interact with, there's a giant list of bullshit that governs their lives. Cultural diversity is great and I embrace it wholeheartedly, except when things cross very obvious lines.

It would be awesome if there was a mass exodus of women from that country. Either all those sexist morons would die out in a generation or two or maybe they'd finally get their act together in hopes of luring women back. Wishful thinking on my part, but I'd love to see something similar happen.

 

[kamineko]

It's legit shocking the hateful bullshit that the US and the west generally have ignored for oil

Good thing climate change is a hoax (/s), we can just keep making the Saudis richer without moral or environmental consequence

 

[Audioboxer]

I'm sure all the opposition right wing party will profit to say that getting migrants is to get this happening in Europe in a few years

Opportunistic dick bags should never stop decent people trying to debate, discuss and object to wrong-doings. To be scared/repressed to talk about things openly because others will use situations for their own political gains is to self-censor and make a mockery of our own capabilities to approach things without resorting to hyperbole/genuine nastiness.

Unfortunately even going viral is not enough. Raif Badawi is still being tortured and rotting in some hell hole Saudi prison :/

Born: 13 January 1984 (age 33), Khobar, Saudi Arabia

There you go, internationally, governments give 0.1% fucks if it's a citizen of SA. "Not our business", followed up with all the hypocrisy surrounding all the business/political brown nosing that goes on. If it weren't for all the oil/gun sales then countries would be putting trade restrictions on SA for human rights abuses. The UN wouldn't be being such a hypocrite either.

As I said if this woman is from Saudi Arabia (and it's looking like she is) she's toast to the global political scene.

 

[Oriel]

The horror!

Lewd!

 

[SuperBanana]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

Hahaha "she should leave". Wow, the ignorance of this comment is mind blowing. Maybe educate yourself before commenting next time.

 

[SlaughterX]

This is like saying we shouldn't have been upset about Darfur because who are we to judge another culture for committing atrocities and if people didn't like being murdered and displaced they should just move.

Or that if the holocaust was so bad why didn't the Jews just organise a protest about it at a large scale.

And what exactly do you propose "we" do about it? Protest has to start locally, and it's going to take more than just one woman. When thousands or millions of women actually stand up against it, and are persecuted because of it... then you have a valid reason for foreign intervention. Until then, there's nothing we can or should do. It's their culture and we really should have no say in it because you don't live there. I think nuns should wear skirts too, if they're under 50.

You can't want civil rights for someone that doesn't care about it for themselves. SA needs to have a WR movement, that's the only way it will change. Many will go to jail, some might even die... but that's the only way it will happen, not just because you want it to and you think we should do something about it. Stop buying gas for your car and maybe girls in the middle east can wear skirts... that's what you're telling me right?

 

[Steel]

Straight up porn in this thread. No shame. You all need to be banned.

 

[Aselith]

And what exactly do you propose "we" do about it? Protest has to start locally, and it's going to take more than just one woman. When thousands or millions of women actually stand up against it, and are persecuted because of it... then you have a valid reason for foreign intervention. Until then, there's nothing we can or should do. It's their culture and we really should have no say in it because you don't live there. I think nuns should wear skirts too, if they're under 50.

This is not equivalent. Nuns can wear skirts in our country but they choose not to due to religious beliefs. No one's going to hunt them down in the US except maybe the organization that they made the commitment to when they chose to adopt the habit. And if found they might face being expelled from the church.

Choosing to follow your own religious beliefs is miles and miles away from this shit. There's a big difference between following your own beliefs and imposing your beliefs on other people.

 

[gutter_trash]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

brah,

it's straight up misogynistic, inequality and brutal repression

Women Rights >>>>>>>>>>>> belief systems

 

[Heshinsi]

Hahaha "she should leave". Wow, the ignorance of this comment is mind blowing. Maybe educate yourself before commenting next time.

"She should leave! But hey, make sure she doesn't try coming here to our countries, because we don't want them muslim folks coming here!"

When they flee oppression, there's a brigade ready to complain that they should have stayed and fought. When they face prosecution in their home countries, they are told to leave if they don't like it.

 

[Kinyou]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

Injustice is a universal concept. That men have so much more freedom compared to women in Saudi Arabia is simply not right and doesn't deserve any tolerance

 

[mlclmtckr]

You can't want civil rights for someone that doesn't care about it for themselves.

You know that more than one person lives in Saudi Arabia right.

More than one type of person even.

Again, you are extrapolating the desires of those in power to the society as a whole. You're looking at the policies of a brutal misogynist racist theocracy and saying no one should judge them because that's Saudi culture.

Saying 'well they should have a movement' is incredibly privileged and naive. America was a democracy when women's suffrage and same sex marriage and racial desegregation were achieved. Saudi women don't have the opportunity to march or make speeches or vote or write to their senator or local newspaper.

They are being actively, violently oppressed, and you're putting that on them.

And telling them to just move or to overthrow their government if they don't like it, what's the big deal, it's not hard.

 

[Heshinsi]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

This shit isn't a dress code, it is oppression. The rights of women in that region have regressed ever since the Saudis conquered what is now the KSA.

 

[SlaughterX]

I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I'm just saying that it's something they are going to have to fight for. Your opinion, as an outside influence, means absolutely nothing. This girl that got arrested, could possibly become a civil rights icon, but only if more women follow in her foot steps. If not... then I guess wearing a skirt isn't as big of a deal to them as it is to you.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

What preposterous relativist garbage. I'm pretty sure we can safely call this "regressive left"?

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree?

1) I'm not OK with sexist dress codes anywhere either
2) Who am I to say oppressing women is wrong? Are you fucking kidding me?

If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that.

..........................

Okay wait. Have we all been caught in some sort of satire here? I refuse to believe this is real.

that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

Yeah the irony is too strong here.

I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I'm just saying that it's something they are going to have to fight for. Your opinion, as an outside influence, means absolutely nothing. This girl that got arrested, could possibly become a civil rights icon, but only if more women follow in her foot steps. If not... then I guess wearing a skirt isn't as big of a deal to them as it is to you.

....Not a big deal?

If they fight against the system they get beaten up, locked up, or executed. Do you fucking get it now

 

[Erv]

Is there an update on her whereabouts? She really needs to go into hiding or leave the the country which will probably be hard to do. Isn't she pretty much going to be killed now?

 

[see5harp]

Get fucked Saudi government. Hypocritical pieces of shit the lot of them.

 

[I_D]

There are dress codes everywhere you go. You think some women there don't look down on Western countries and how some women there dress? It's culture. It may seem ass backwards to us, and I agree, it is... but it's still their culture. Who are you to say it's wrong because you don't agree? If wearing a skirt and public is such a huge deal for her then she should leave and go somewhere where it's normal to dress like that. If the society as a whole feels that way, then they would protest it at a larger level and it might change. If sure it's going to change because of this thread, or because you think the west should intervene, that's about the silliest shit I've heard in while.

First, there are NOT dress codes everywhere you go, other than usually "wear clothes." Even that's not a rule in some places.

Second, having different cultures is fine. Punishing somebody for wearing a piece of clothing is not.

Third, just because a lot of people like something does not make it right.

Fourth, arguing that people should protest doesn't really work when people get dismembered for speaking out.

Fifth, if there was ever a reason to actually intervene and cause war, saving the lives and rights of millions of people IS that reason.

How do you feel about the indecent exposure laws here in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Pointing out a flaw in one system doesn't justify flaws in another.

 

[nubbe]

Remember when this Levi's commercial caused an outrage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpGC1MWgpVo

 

[mlclmtckr]

I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I'm just saying that it's something they are going to have to fight for. Your opinion, as an outside influence, means absolutely nothing. This girl that got arrested, could possibly become a civil rights icon, but only if more women follow in her foot steps. If not... then I guess wearing a skirt isn't as big of a deal to them as it is to you.

Okay well since you keep writing these bizarre platitudes to no one in particular without actually engaging with anyone talking to you, I guess we're done here. Morrigan Stark is right, this is just lazy trolling.

 

[| Praxis |]

Government chops off heads in the street and calls it justice... People get upset about a skirt.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is there an update on her whereabouts? She really needs to go into hiding or leave the the country which will probably be hard to do. Isn't she pretty much going to be killed now?

WP (and others) now say she's been arrested

The woman has been arrested by Riyadh police for wearing "suggestive clothing," Saudi state television station Al Ekhbariya reported Tuesday.

"Riyadh police arrested a woman dressed in indecent clothing in the village of Ushayqir, and has sent her to the public prosecutor," the network said in a tweet.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arab...del-khulood-arrested-by-police-riyadh-1630849 / http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/18/woman-who-wore-miniskirt-in-saudi-arabia-has-been-arrested-6788790/

Probably not killed due to some international eyes being on this, but possibly sentenced to time in prison or some other form of punishment.

I dread to think what some of those tweet replies above say. Google translate is useless.

 

[facetheslayer92]

WP say she's been arrested

Probably not killed due to some international eyes being on this, but possibly sentenced to time in prison or some other form of punishment.

Fucking cunts.

 

[pixeldash]

I think I get what SlaughterX was trying to say on some level--at least initially. We want to be careful of becoming imperialistic saviors where our "enlightened and advanced" societies need to fix the "savage heathens" of backward cultures. History has clearly shown how harmful thinking like that has been.

However, I think at some point you can draw a line at what's imperialistic and what is just standing up for basic human rights. I feel pretty safe saying that the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia is less of a cultural preference and more of a truly harmful and unfair system that should not be tolerated--which is what I think the other posters here have been trying to point out as well.


*Edit: Just saw the update. That is terrible news. I can't imagine this will end well for her.

 

[Alo0oy]

I fucking hate twitter. The far right are already calling for her head.

 

[kruis]

I'm just saying that you guys shouldn't try to impose your own personal beliefs on other cultures.

So you're in favor of this???

 

[Audioboxer]

I fucking hate twitter. The far right are already calling for her head.

Is that the responses here? https://twitter.com/alekhbariyatv/status/887298669594243074 That's the tweet the above articles are sourcing for her arrest.

 

[LostCaress]

Yeah culture differences is about using chopsticks or shitting in a hole instead of a toilet or handshake vs kiss on cheek. Anyone not taking the woman's side is an idiot, regardless of context.

 

[Kaako]

Ass backwards countries like SA and their utter disregard for women absolutely disgust me. They even got women "moral vigilantist" whose sole purpose is to police other women and how they dress/walk/act. Shit infuriates me to no end. How utterly purposeless and pointless must their lives be to actively support shit like this.