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ThisIsMyDog

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Benfica owners now
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Batiman

Batiman

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Tiago Rodrigues said:
This is 2022...it's okay to say he's far from his best and he is dragging the team down. This game shows that. Even the previous games every time he's out Portugal plays best.
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its just this year really. He got us through qualifying. This year he’s finally showing his age. Perfect to put on in the 60 min mark. The mans almost 38
 
Hawking Radiation

Hawking Radiation

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Been wanting Ronaldo gone from United since the last transfer window.

What's made me happy is the whole world can now see that United and Ten Hag was never the problem. That interview with Piers has also surely damaged his chances of joining another elite club because what's stopping him from throwing his toys out the pram at Bayern, City, PSG or Real.

He's going to be hearding sheep in Saudi Arabia next season (while earning millions) and what's hurting him the most is that Messi will remain at a top European club and extend his records further over Ronaldo.
Its not about money but rather ego and the pursuit of individual records that matter most to this guy.
 
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Agent_Nobody

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solidus12 said:
I'm Moroccan and the amount of love and support we've been getting from Arabs and African countries is overwhelming.

Palestinians and Israelis were both celebrating tonight, how crazy is that!!
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The Moroccan team has been surprisingly good this World Cup. If I had long enough odds against Spain I’d actually bet on them.
 
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

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I havent watched any Morocco footage except maybe half of the Canada game, so I can only go on stats and boxscores. But it's amazing that Morocco has only let in 1 goal! And that even includes Spain's penalty kicks. And the goal they let in was a flukey own goal in the Canadian match.

On paper, they seem to get outplayed in shots and possession % all the time, but pull off the win.

For those of you who have watched their matches, I'm going to assume they getting outplayed on purpose (turtle shell defence) so they can focus on strategically countering or dragging it out for penalty kick wins?
 
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T

TaylorSwiftFan

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Hawking Radiation said:
Been wanting Ronaldo gone from United since the last transfer window.

What's made me happy is the whole world can now see that United and Ten Hag was never the problem. That interview with Piers has also surely damaged his chances of joining another elite club because what's stopping him from throwing his toys out the pram at Bayern, City, PSG or Real.

He's going to be hearding sheep in Saudi Arabia next season (while earning millions) and what's hurting him the most is that Messi will remain at a top European club and extend his records further over Ronaldo.
Its not about money but rather ego and the pursuit of individual records that matter most to this guy.
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Messi is 2.5 years younger than Ronaldo and playing in a farmer’s league - so it’s expected that he’s still going stronger.

United haven’t won anything in 10 years so I don’t think him being at Utd really was the problem. He did great last season - this season he clearly doesn’t want to be here.

We’ll have to wait and see how Ten Hag does - he was given a massive war chest this season. He has to deliver something next season for sure.
 
J

Just_one

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Hawking Radiation said:
Been wanting Ronaldo gone from United since the last transfer window.

What's made me happy is the whole world can now see that United and Ten Hag was never the problem. That interview with Piers has also surely damaged his chances of joining another elite club because what's stopping him from throwing his toys out the pram at Bayern, City, PSG or Real.

He's going to be hearding sheep in Saudi Arabia next season (while earning millions) and what's hurting him the most is that Messi will remain at a top European club and extend his records further over Ronaldo.
Its not about money but rather ego and the pursuit of individual records that matter most to this guy.
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Ronaldo denied yesterday that he was going to Al-nassir
 
Batiman

Batiman

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FireFistAce said:
Messi is 2.5 years younger than Ronaldo and playing in a farmer’s league - so it’s expected that he’s still going stronger.

United haven’t won anything in 10 years so I don’t think him being at Utd really was the problem. He did great last season - this season he clearly doesn’t want to be here.

We’ll have to wait and see how Ten Hag does - he was given a massive war chest this season. He has to deliver something next season for sure.
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For real. People saying Ronaldo was the problem last year weren’t watching the games. The man created so many chances for teammates and scored tons of goals.

When Ronaldo was at the age Messi is now he was still ripping it. This year is the year he fell off. Ever since he lost his child I feel he hasn’t been the same.
 
DKehoe

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Batiman said:
For real. People saying Ronaldo was the problem last year weren’t watching the games. The man created so many chances for teammates and scored tons of goals.

When Ronaldo was at the age Messi is now he was still ripping it. This year is the year he fell off. Ever since he lost his child I feel he hasn’t been the same.
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Ronaldo was very much a problem last year. Was he the biggest problem? No. But accommodating him limited the team. The drop-off in his pace combined with his lack of positional discipline and insistence on dominating the attacking output created problems for the team as a whole. Yeh, he scored the most goals on the team, but the team scored less goals overall because nearly everything was having to go through him. United were better before he came in and are better now that they've moved on from him. He's worse this year than last, but this is not some sudden drop-off out of nowhere. It's just that the continued decline has made it more noticeable.

He's the best player I've ever seen play for United. But he's no longer what he was.
 
Batiman

Batiman

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DKehoe said:
Ronaldo was very much a problem last year. Was he the biggest problem? No. But accommodating him limited the team. The drop-off in his pace combined with his lack of positional discipline and insistence on dominating the attacking output created problems for the team as a whole. Yeh, he scored the most goals on the team, but the team scored less goals overall because nearly everything was having to go through him. United were better before he came in and are better now that they've moved on from him. He's worse this year than last, but this is not some sudden drop-off out of nowhere. It's just that the continued decline has made it more noticeable.

He's the best player I've ever seen play for United. But he's no longer what he was.
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All you have to do is look at goals conceded and you’ll see the problem. No chemistry between the back 4 with maguire and Shaw looking clueless half the time. Maguire was the cause of at least 50% of the goals conceded.

Letting 3-4 goals in a game is not Ronaldo’s fault whatever way you try and spin it. And other players not getting goals was not on him either when he should of had dozens of assists but no one finishing passes he put on a platter for them.

Man city will feed haaland because he finishes. Barca fed Messi because he finishes. The bulls fed Jordan because he was their star. Ronaldo was doing his job. Scoring goals
 
AJUMP23

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
Say what you want, but the manager seemed to do the right team by not starting Ronaldo. Portugal fired on all cylinders and handled everything without him. I think they played loose because they didn't have to feed him. And when Ronaldo is in there you should feed him, because he has quality in finishing a play.
 
DKehoe

DKehoe

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Batiman said:
All you have to do is look at goals conceded and you’ll see the problem. No chemistry between the back 4 with maguire and Shaw looking clueless half the time. Maguire was the cause of at least 50% of the goals conceded.

Letting 3-4 goals in a game is not Ronaldo’s fault whatever way you try and spin it. And other players not getting goals was not on him either when he should of had dozens of assists but no one finishing passes he put on a platter for them.

Man city will feed haaland because he finishes. Barca fed Messi because he finishes. The bulls fed Jordan because he was their star. Ronaldo was doing his job. Scoring goals
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Like I said, he wasn't the biggest problem. But he was a problem. Personally, with that season I'd point to the lack of a defensive midfielder as the major issue.

Scoring goals was Ronaldo's job. But he wasn't doing it enough for the concessions the rest of the team has to make to accommodate him. The team overall scored less goals after he came in. If he's this incredible goalscorer then his impact should be that the overall goalscoring tally should go up because he's a meaningful difference-maker in that area. But it didn't. It did the opposite. As for his assists, in the premier league last season he had an xA of 4.42 and had 3 assists. So no, it's not like he was an incredible playmaker either.

Were the team better before he came in? Yes. Did they look better when Ten Hag sidelined him? Yes. He wasn't fine last season and then suddenly declined this season. This has been an ongoing thing for a few years now.
 
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TaylorSwiftFan

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DKehoe said:
Ronaldo was very much a problem last year. Was he the biggest problem? No. But accommodating him limited the team. The drop-off in his pace combined with his lack of positional discipline and insistence on dominating the attacking output created problems for the team as a whole. Yeh, he scored the most goals on the team, but the team scored less goals overall because nearly everything was having to go through him. United were better before he came in and are better now that they've moved on from him. He's worse this year than last, but this is not some sudden drop-off out of nowhere. It's just that the continued decline has made it more noticeable.

He's the best player I've ever seen play for United. But he's no longer what he was.
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I completely disagree. The attacking output was bad last year because the likes of Rashford, Martial and Bruno fell off massively. The Martial case is actually laughable - people wanted him gone and suddenly he’s now the striker we need. Bruno has been underperforming for a long time now. Ronaldo being there doesn’t explain his misplaced passes and poor decisions. Rashford strives in a counterattacking team. The moment teams stop playing a high line against Utd, we’ll see the same Ole-ball team as before, unless, of course, Ten Hag improves the team massively. Some managers still haven’t learnt there lesson but the current Utd team will be found out if they don’t learn how to unlock defenses.

The other thing as well - look at how many chances other teams give their forwards. Like Salah would score a lot but miss a lot as well. But the sheer number of chances created for him means that he would score a lot.
 
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Batiman

Batiman

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DKehoe said:
Like I said, he wasn't the biggest problem. But he was a problem. Personally, with that season I'd point to the lack of a defensive midfielder as the major issue.

Scoring goals was Ronaldo's job. But he wasn't doing it enough for the concessions the rest of the team has to make to accommodate him. The team overall scored less goals after he came in. If he's this incredible goalscorer then his impact should be that the overall goalscoring tally should go up because he's a meaningful difference-maker in that area. But it didn't. It did the opposite. As for his assists, in the premier league last season he had an xA of 4.42 and had 3 assists. So no, it's not like he was an incredible playmaker either.

Were the team better before he came in? Yes. Did they look better when Ten Hag sidelined him? Yes. He wasn't fine last season and then suddenly declined this season. This has been an ongoing thing for a few years now.
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Thy look better now that ten hag sidelined Maguire and has Martinez running shit. Ten hag also somehow turned Dalot into a beast this season. You have to realize ManU conceded double the amount of goals as the top 4.

If it weren’t for their back 4 they would easily of finished top 3 last year. Also they weren’t winning the games Ronaldo missed out on either
 
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IDKFA

IDKFA

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Both Messi and Ronaldo aren't the players they used to be. Messi is playing in a joke league and isn't even in the top five of goal scorers this season. Ronaldo has just tarnished his reputation and will probably be playing in Saudi Arabia soon, which is a huge step down from top flight European football.

The glory days of Messi and Ronaldo are over. This will be the last major international tournament either of them will play in. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
DKehoe

DKehoe

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FireFistAce said:
I completely disagree. The attacking output was bad last year because the likes of Rashford, Martial and Bruno fell off massively. The Martial case is actually laughable - people wanted him gone and suddenly he’s now the striker we need. Bruno has been underperforming for a long time now. Ronaldo being there doesn’t explain his misplaced passes and poor decisions. Rashford strives in a counterattacking team. The moment teams stop playing a high line against Utd, we’ll see the same Ole-ball team as before, unless, of course, Ten Hag improves the team massively. Some managers still haven’t learnt there lesson but the current Utd team will be found out if they don’t learn how to unlock defenses.
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Bruno is a great example because you can see the difference in his form when Ronaldo is and isn't in the team. In the big picture he, like the team in general, is better without Ronaldo playing. Bruno's form, in general, was off last season but there's also an issue of them just not meshing well together stylistically. Ronaldo's lack of positional discipline means he drops deep a lot so ends up occupying spaces Bruno looks to operate in and that then also doesn't give Bruno that presence higher up for him to pass to.

And Martial is far from a perfect striker but you can look at the profile of what he brings and see how that can fit within the system in a way Ronaldo doesn't. But yeh, clearly it's the position United now most need to strengthen. Hopefully getting the deadwood that was Ronaldo's wages off the books means they bring in someone else soon. Although I think people expecting them to spend big in January are being pretty optimistic. They already spent a lot in the last transfer window and United don't typically spend much in January. Maybe they give someone like Charlie McNeil a chance if he looks good in the upcoming friendlies.

We've had this conversation about Ronaldo before. So I don't just want to repeat all of that. We just disagree on this and that's fine. But I do feel like recent events with both United and Portugal have shown that teams can operate better without him.

Batiman said:
Thy look better now that ten hag sidelined Maguire and has Martinez running shit. Ten hag also somehow turned Dalot into a beast this season. have to realize ManU conceded double the amount of goals as the top 4.

If it weren’t for their back 4 they would easily of finished top 3 last year. Also they weren’t winning the games Ronaldo missed out on either
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Yeh, Ten Hag has made improvements throughout the team for sure. Martinez has been so good, love watching him play. The midfield looks far better too.

Conceding goals wasn't United's only problem last season. 9 teams scored more goals than them in the league last season. So it's not like the defence was the only thing costing them a top 3 finish.
 
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