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Yep! This entire tier is a joke outside of Heroic Ragnaros, which still requires a lot of attention and coordination (though who knows for how long if they keep nerfing it.)TheYanger said:
We weren't able to get HRag 25 down last night due to a bunch of stupid wipes but ended up trying some of the fights on heroic 10 man on our alts that we had done some Firelands raids on. We were able to kill Shannox, Rhyolith, Alysrazor, and Beth'tilac on Heroic with ease. I was on my DK for Beth'tilac doing the spiderlings and I had absolutely no idea what I was doing since I am used to tanking Beth'tilac on the top. I died towards the end of phase 1 and they still were able to kill her. Wasn't that fight supposed to be difficult on 10 man? The only reason we didn't get Baelroc last night was because we had wiped and the lava wall that goes up when you start the fight had stayed up and locked us out so we decided to call it a night.
We're actually considering trying HRag 10man on our alts and laughing at the idea that we'd beat our main 25 man raid to the Realm first LOL.
edit: no one cares but he died tonight anyways on our 25man
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Dresden said:
Maybe it would finally make Shaman viable for world firsts if that were the case.
:lol
But yeah, agility axes that were class restricted to rogues/shammies would be better. They could do something like that for a future legendary pair where it's viable for all the dual-wielding melee specs by just having really high weapon DPS and no +agility or +strength stats or tweaking it in other ways with the proc or some such (like how some trinkets pick your highest stat). A pair of axes or maces I guess, since shammies can't use swords.
wonderdung
Member
Once we get H rag (1-2 weeks I'm hoping) we'll be clearing 7/7H in one raid with these nerfs... so I guess it will be either alt raids or Sinestra (who's probably harder than 6/7 firelands heroic right now) for the other two raids every week. That or we'll all start logging on only once a week.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
wonderdung said:
Shard of Woe is still BiS for some specs I think. Damned good trinket. Not sure if it's still better than other stuff for Arcane Mages, but at least a few healing specs. The other gear is probably ignorable by now - though Sinestra would still be worth killing for the bragging rights and achievements/title.
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Oh. And I forgot - I was cleaning up files on my computer and found when I recorded what I think is part of wiping on Heroic Northrend Beasts, and then a full clear of 10-man Crusader's Coliseum (Normal). Along with extra some traveling to cities and stuff. If anyone is interested in a blast to the past, I may upload it. Frost DK Tank PoV for most if not all of it. There may be some weird UI stuttering though - not sure if that's just me watching it through preview, or if there is actually a problem with the video.
DeathNote said:
Probably not so long as it's the same type.
X is getting drunk off Y
A is getting drunk off B
U is getting drunk off O
X is getting drunk off Y
A is getting drunk off B
U is getting drunk off O
X is getting drunk off Y
A is getting drunk off B
U is getting drunk off O
X is getting drunk off Y
A is getting drunk off B
So annoying.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Bisnic said:
I've played a lot of AV at times (especially when they had just added BG XP and it was probably the quickest way to get XP in the game at the time.) and it depends. Is the fight going to stalemate with fighting in the middle or at a key graveyard. Usually I've seen Horde slowly pushing back Alliance near the northernmost bunker (not tower - can't remember the name) when it goes like this though. Otherwise you can have wild pushes back and forth, or rush games. And it depends on who actually wins - probably the largest factor in the amount of honor.
So really it varies. If it devolves into a stalemate/fighting in the middle game, usually Horde will win and eke out more honor unless Alliance sneaks in an extra tower. Otherwise, on average, Alliance tends to win more in rush games.
You also have the games where Horde decides to wipe Alliance at the mini-boss, and those get weird (never had it happen the reverse way around though.)
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Tamanon said:
It's basically T11 but with a different helm (upon further reflection it's basically a better modeled T1 helm.) The shoulders are very similar.
/disappoint
Paladins have had some really good sets too. I like T2, T6, T8, and T10 quite a bit. Some of the others are pretty good, and though there are a few duds, the quality is consistently high compared to other classes.
Azwethinkweiz
Member
Holy hell is Firelands easy now. Blew through all of it. Got to Rag, who we hadn't killed yet and only got to phase 3 once (for like 10 seconds before we wiped) and we one shot it.
How do you figure? it's not even on PTR yet and has many new systems, forgetting about the instances altogether, that's a LOT of testing. This shit is 2.5-3 months away.
Our alts went in tonight having never done heroic firelands before and got 6/7 with only a single wipe. Fucking ridiculous, say what you want about experience, but we are SHIT on our alts as a whole, there's no reason this should happen.
Our alts went in tonight having never done heroic firelands before and got 6/7 with only a single wipe. Fucking ridiculous, say what you want about experience, but we are SHIT on our alts as a whole, there's no reason this should happen.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Damn. These nerfs seem like major overkill. I know the content is a couple months old at this point, but if I came back now, I wouldn't want to necessarily steamroll it all in one week, and start (and defeat most?) heroic modes a week or two after that...
wonderdung
Member
25 wipes on H Rag tonight makes me want to break things... and this is after two big nerfs. I guess it'd be nice to down it but at this point I'm perfectly content to roll into the next raid tier without it down. Maybe I'll feel differently by next raid.
Guys.. help a fellow gaffer out. I haven't touched WoW since vanilla, and just today re-subscribed and upgraded to Cataclysm to play with some friends.
I have no fucking clue what I'm doing anymore lol... I had a NE Druid way back in the day, but i'm starting fresh on horde side with friends now.
My friends are all making mages, so i might mage up with them -- is there a "best" race to be a mage on the horde side? If i dont roll mage, do you guys have any suggestions for something that will be easy to PvE and grind until I hit 85 and respec to do raids?
Any "cookie cutter" builds that are good with the latest patch?
Thanks!!
I have no fucking clue what I'm doing anymore lol... I had a NE Druid way back in the day, but i'm starting fresh on horde side with friends now.
My friends are all making mages, so i might mage up with them -- is there a "best" race to be a mage on the horde side? If i dont roll mage, do you guys have any suggestions for something that will be easy to PvE and grind until I hit 85 and respec to do raids?
Any "cookie cutter" builds that are good with the latest patch?
Thanks!!
TheYanger said:
Skill and experience. You're probably as good on your alts as most people are on their mains.
I'm actually looking forward to going in on Monday with our alts and being able to kill more than 2 bosses. It's not that we're bad players but our group comp is pretty awful.
Johnlenham
Member
Yeah I think alot of you take for granted how lucky you are with guilds.
I bet the actual average guilds still have trouble after the nerfs, I remember beating my head against the pc desk when the less than average members of the guilds fucked up fights when I played as you are litrally powerless!
I bet the actual average guilds still have trouble after the nerfs, I remember beating my head against the pc desk when the less than average members of the guilds fucked up fights when I played as you are litrally powerless!
Yeah, skill and experience matter a lot. My casual guild who has never ran Firelands before only killed a few(2?) bosses on normal 10 man so far this week(from what i've heard, i rarely raid with them, and they only raid 3 days a week for less than 3 hours a day), they're not going to kill Ragnaros this week. The few times i raided with them i vastly outdpsed the others with my frost mage. Only the other arcane mage could do as good as i did. No one else was close to both of us(which was around 20k DPS or something).
Blizzard probably nerfed that place for people like them, not for hardcore people who browse EJ all week and been doing heroic raids since day 1. People like that are only a small portion of the player base and do not matter much in their eyes.
Blizzard probably nerfed that place for people like them, not for hardcore people who browse EJ all week and been doing heroic raids since day 1. People like that are only a small portion of the player base and do not matter much in their eyes.
This is actually an interesting point made in this blog, http://maceandstaff.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/super-casual-guild-and-raiding/
It's interesting in that yes, the nerfs are intended so those types of players can see all the content - but if they're improperly gearing, not enchanting/gemming their gear, undergeared entirely... should they be able to?
It's interesting in that yes, the nerfs are intended so those types of players can see all the content - but if they're improperly gearing, not enchanting/gemming their gear, undergeared entirely... should they be able to?
zmoney said:
While I agree that they are paying to play the game, there is a certain point where you have to know what you're doing to advance.
If you're playing any other type of game, let's say an FPS. You're on a mission that requires you to kill someone from a distance as quietly as possible. You have a choice of weapons that you can use. Obviously you should take a sniper rifle. But should the player who continually chooses a rocket launcher be allowed to complete that mission?
To put this in WoW terms:
You have gear that is available to you that's easy to obtain given the amount of time that you're able to play the game. Now if you've got the appropriate gear you should be able to advance into the next tier.
If I'm a Holy Paladin and I'm picking up strength/stamina gear - should I be able to successively progress through a raid?
Bisnic said:
Exactly. See my above point.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The concept that you should get to see all the content in an MMO because you pay for it is totally without merit.
The concept you should see nothing unless you grind heavily and find a group of extremely skilled compatriots is also without merit.
The concept you should see nothing unless you grind heavily and find a group of extremely skilled compatriots is also without merit.
ShadyMilkman
Banned
Entropia said:
Well, if the "person" in question isn't going to make the effort to properly gem/enchant, then no, I don't think they should be able to see the content.
It stems off my belief that if someone isn't going to make the effort to do as much as they can to make their character that much better (DPS/Tanking/Healing), why should they be rewarded with seeing everything?
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Entropia said:
---Well crap. I typed up a reply and hit submit, but got a 503 error. Anyway - I basically agree. So that's that. You're not going to fail spectacularly on alts unless someone is doing something they've never done before, or they're incredibly undergeared.
Angry Grimace said:
This is true, the problem is the perception that some people have that the game was ever like this: it wasn't. It CERTAINLY hasn't been like this since Wrath launched, and with heroic modes...just no. Nobody who was willing to put in the tiniest bit of effort and had some friends that would as well, was incapable of beating normal mode raids in this expansion or the last. Then comes along the idea that now people NEED to make progress from normals into heroics and beat all heroics? shit is ridiculous, what's the point of having heroic modes if they're not actually hard?
Also since it got a few replies, yes I know my guild is good, but when I say we aren't good at our alts I mean previous weeks we'd wipe over and over to fucking normal modes, these are fresh ass alts and we are bad at them. Just having the experience from our mains should not let us one shot bosses we are SEVERELY undergeared for. I bet we had 20 items upgraded from 353 to 391 last night. Normal modes barely even serve a purpose anymore, heroic is the new normal.