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CarbonatedFalcon
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DeathNote said:
Or that.
Which may or may not have the unintentional effect of some 10s wanting to transition (back?) to 25s.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only reason 10 was REALLY required was for Badge Farming.CarbonatedFalcon said:
Angry Grimace said:
Nah there was always some random piece of loot for half the specs that was bis from 10 mans, as well as set bonuses (you'd want to get bonuses early which meant running as much shit as you could to get tokens). That said, the current 'same loot' model partly solves it - you'd still be best off running it twice (more chances at the same loot, albeit a lower ilevel version) but you wouldn't HAVE to, you couldn't have anything bis from 10s that way, just good interim items for true min/max hardcore players. You would NOT be compelled to do them as anything else.
Mairu said:
My entire point was that the design philosophy for Cataclysm was that 10 mans were harder than their 25 man equivalents. Just because the quotation is old doesn't mean it's not true. You're completely braindead and only proving this by ignoring every other point. If 25 man was harder then why is it the only option for the LFR tool in the next patch?
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
This is one example of (at one time) BiS 10-man loot: http://www.wowhead.com/item=45931#comments
Used to be armor penetration, which was the shit for some specs.
Used to be armor penetration, which was the shit for some specs.
DeathNote said:
You could raid the EJ boards and get it compiled in about 10-15 minutes I wager. For all warlock specs it's: use Brilliant Inferno Rubies unless the set bonus is super duper awesome (which is almost never is).
If it's worth it, use int/X hybrids. For yellow it's int/haste (reckless) or if you are demo int/mastery (artful) is a valid choice.
For blue int/hit is the only option.
I'm not sure what for pvp. I imagine you'd gem straight resilience unless you really needed the spell pen.
Freakinchair
Member
Hero said:
25 mans are objectively and definitely harder than 10 mans hands down. Just take a look at heroic progression pre-nerf comparing the two.
I'm not going to discuss the logistics and difficulty of a raid that doesn't even exist yet but I don't think difficulty was their only concern when deciding between 25 and 10. Going with 25 over 10 makes it much easier for dps to queue for a raid. Considering that tanks are always the bottleneck in a 5 man and there's the same amount of tanks in a 10 and a 25 man raid it only makes sense to go with a 25 man raid over 10 to make it easier for the LFR raids to actually get formed without dps waiting forever.Hero said:
Frank Jaeger
Member
YakiSOBA said:After level 20-ish, should I be concentrating on instances to level up fast?
In other news, I got my first mount for goblin... it's so crapper in contrast to all the epic dragon mounts in Ogrimmar I see flying around
Mix it up!
20-70 is very fast doing only dungeons! Really fast! And you get to learn some mechanics!
70-80 is too slow doing dungeons, since they are really short and it would take you a very long time this way. Do some quests! Blizz has announced that they will cut the XP need to get from 70 to 80 in 4.3!
80-85 you will need to do quests (nice boost on faction reputation) and dungeons (gear to let you get into heroic dungeons, zandalari heroics and the 4.3 dragon dungeons).
SiegfriedFM
Member
I wouldn't recommend doing dungeons to level up. There's some nice stuff happening, especially in remade Shadowfang Keep and Deadmines, but the old dungeons are mostly unchanged. Now, when you do quests you get the full "modern" WoW experience (as long as you stay out of Arathi or Silithus).
Doing dungeons over and over is for alts.
Doing dungeons over and over is for alts.
bunbun777
Member
Angry Grimace said:
Well if you defeat a boss and nothing drops that you need, then you defeat him again the same week and he does drop what you need, you are not eligible to roll on it. At least that is my understanding?
-edit: Imagine if you are ineligible to roll, but the only one in party that could actually use the item.
YakiSOBA said:After level 20-ish, should I be concentrating on instances to level up fast?
In other news, I got my first mount for goblin... it's so crapper in contrast to all the epic dragon mounts in Ogrimmar I see flying around
I spammed random dungeons mostly Lv15-50s, and then do a mix of dungeons and questing in the latter levels. Gaining exp is really fast though, so both options are fine.. but questing might be better for a first character~
You can buy other race mounts if you've got Exalted reputation with them. I suggest picking up some tabards from each of the Quartermasters (they are located near the city's flight masters), and equipping them while you run dungeons.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This is no different than any other raid in World of Warcraft.bunbun777 said:
bunbun777 said:
Making it so that you only have the chance to gain loot once per boss per week makes it even with people doing it in non-dungeon finder raids. If this didn't exist what would be the point in doing it in anything but the raid finder? I imagine the idea to let you queue multiple times is to be able to progress more. Say if the first raid you're in downs the first boss, then gets nowhere, having you not be able to not enter again to go further sucks, but making you be able to loot a boss more than once would be unfair, so the simple solution is what they're doing. Yeah, it sucks if a piece drops that you can use but can't get, but you know that going in.
Corin does that because they're unique. The brewfest dungeon and raids are completely different beasts. Stupid analogy.
I just want to say pre-mades ARE/have to use the raid finder.Alucrid said:
Just like pre-mades use any dungeon finder.
The issue is you don't want guilds to be forced to farm them over and over but at the same time people that run into issues that have to do them multiple times before getting the last few bosses are dealing with some B.S. since the philosophy has always been "if you can repeat the boss, loot. if you can only kill it once a week, no loot"
You could maybe lock people out of each boss and the dungeon finder puts them at the boss they need.
But, maybe it's so faceroll that they want noobs to practice.
I guess we just need to know how much time will sucky or unlucky people spend repeating bosses in it.
Having issues completing the raid and being trolled by RNG loot is not a good combo.
But, maybe it's so faceroll that they want noobs to practice.
I guess we just need to know how much time will sucky or unlucky people spend repeating bosses in it.
Having issues completing the raid and being trolled by RNG loot is not a good combo.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Alucrid said:
Pretty sure no, I think they killed that by 4.1.
I'd think if your group fell apart on the fight 6/8, you would have problems finding 25 other people via the tool that were at the exact same progress and were also queue'ing. More likely, you'd run into problems where people down 1/8 and they get pulled into a group that is 7/8 because it's the only 'available' raid in queue for them.
My concern with the raid finder is that the kindergardenness of FL is a sample of raids to come so the LFR tool will actually be viable
Downed Rag on the 2nd try tonight with the 5 guild alts I mentioned before and 4 completely new puggers,
I can now take a break until 4.3 hits
On the plus side I picked up the CE of rift in the steam daily deals and am totally loving it..that should wear off right around when 4.3 hits
Downed Rag on the 2nd try tonight with the 5 guild alts I mentioned before and 4 completely new puggers,
I can now take a break until 4.3 hits
On the plus side I picked up the CE of rift in the steam daily deals and am totally loving it..that should wear off right around when 4.3 hits
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
So after playing around with ElvUI for a bit, I decided it's not for me. It's a decent skin, but it's all-encompassing. It does some things I don't necessarily want it to do, and it's not as granular in allowing adjustments as more specialized addons are. If you really want fine control (like I do), you'll have to go with a suite of various addons.
As I hopped on a lowbie alt on Illidan to mess with UI stuff without fear of messing up things for other characters (and to check AH prices and such), I noticed a strange blue glyph. Then I looked up and realized that the end event of the Legendary questline was going on - pretty cool.
As I hopped on a lowbie alt on Illidan to mess with UI stuff without fear of messing up things for other characters (and to check AH prices and such), I noticed a strange blue glyph. Then I looked up and realized that the end event of the Legendary questline was going on - pretty cool.
Just made a pre-made hunter on the PTR and my mind is blown. Playing a pretty crappy geared Hunter. (it's my alt, so I only have two of the valor pieces) To playing a Firelands geared Hunter is night and day. I have so much Haste that I'm casting tons of stuff none-stop and getting Focus extremely quickly. Almost feels like I have Rapid Fire activated at all times. It felt so much better playing that pre-made that it almost felt like a completely different class.
"A test realm or test server is a realm made for trying out features in development for the next patch. Blizzard occasionally announces "Public Test Realms" or "PTRs" for players of World of Warcraft to test features."zmoney said:
"What is the point of character copies and pre-made characters?
Character copies and pre-made characters are a tool used by Blizzard to provide an adequate testing environment on the PTR. They are used at our discretion and will not always be available."
https://us.battle.net/account/management/download/
Public Test Realm Client (23gb)
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/charcopy/character-copy.html
You can copy 4 of your live characters over and 4 pre-made 85's in epic gear of any class over.
half a moon
Banned
Hey, I have a few questions on Rag 10 N.
1.Do you assign people to kill the sons? They are easy to kill in the first intermission, but I'm worried about the second when the tanks pick up scions and people run on the edges with the with blazing heat. You can't stand in place with blazing heat can you?
2.Do you usually have people stay on one side to wait for the seeds? If you do, all you do is run to the other side, stack on the front edge until the adds die unless there's a engulfing flames there, then spread out on that side and wait for seeds?
3.Haven't got to stage three. Any meteror tricks?
1.Do you assign people to kill the sons? They are easy to kill in the first intermission, but I'm worried about the second when the tanks pick up scions and people run on the edges with the with blazing heat. You can't stand in place with blazing heat can you?
2.Do you usually have people stay on one side to wait for the seeds? If you do, all you do is run to the other side, stack on the front edge until the adds die unless there's a engulfing flames there, then spread out on that side and wait for seeds?
3.Haven't got to stage three. Any meteror tricks?
half a moon said:
1. We assign loosely. I.e. for 4/4 split, players x, y, z on left size, a, b, c on right. Only one person gets blazing heat so it's not a big deal as long as they aren't running in front of sons.
2. We have people stand on far sides and then converge in the middle.
4. Try to split raid evenly between sides, make sure at least one ranged dps is on each side to punt meteors when they get close to their side.
Strafer said:So what are you guys sporting in 4.3 with the new Transmog?
I'm thinking about using this.
Ignore the tabard and weapons, the tabard isn't available in game and I haven't decided on weaons. I have most of the set already, the only annoying thing is the gloves and boots drop from either EOE or Naxxramas and no one on my server bothers with those anymore.