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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I find it kind of amusing they act like they don't like data mining when in reality it gets people pumped about the new patch.Strafer said:Oh Blizz.
Tworak said:
Old AV wouldn't do that. it would only let people in on a 1:1, it was literally impossible to get into a game on medivh for instance as alliance because there weren't enough horde queueing unless Ascent decided to queue as a guild (and get in as a guild, while you couldn't even queue with 2 people as ally and EVER get a pop).
CarbonatedFalcon
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So they just outlined that in the Raid Finder, Need before Greed will give a +100 to rolls of people flagged for a specific role for loot intended for them. It's certainly a better solution than the pure chaos that straight need before greed would be with 25 strangers, though as pointed out in the comments, it still has flaws.
Again, having to implement this kind of fix shows flaws in previously implemented "convenience" systems. Putting Disenchant on the same level as Greed completely ruins Greed as an option if you actually want the gear for an offspec or whatever, but aren't in the role at the time. Settling a dispute is easy enough (or the loot is simply inconsequential compared to raids) in 5-mans, even with random people. At most, you're likely only dealing with one or two other people who would have any interest in the loot at all. The problem balloons with 25 random people who have less accountability.
Using a trusted master looter, who is at risk of losing reputation if he fails to uphold the contract between him and the other raiders, is certainly the best way to raid when dealing with people on your server - even if you are basically still just doing need before greed. That doesn't work cross-server though, obviously.
The only other thing I want to touch on is that having to further differentiate gear (we already had the mastery bonus locking you into an armor type) for the purposes could be considered dumbing the game down, making gear less meaningful since you will have fewer choices. Protecting the idiots from themselves I guess, if Warriors and DKs couldn't roll on Spell Plate - so not necessarily a bad thing. Though I do worry that it will be too limiting and prevent some creative gearing strategies - again this is probably not a big deal since the "real" gear/progression will still be with guilds and not in the raid finder, so you can do whatever there to be most effective.
Still, it's kind of an ominous sign - we're already sort of seeing WoW transition from a lobby/server based game, to a matchmade game. For all the benefits of matchmaking, it's a deathtouch to the soul of an MMO - the social aspect. WoW is just as much about interaction and overcoming social challenges as it is raid bosses (to me at least, and I think a great deal of other people). I hope Blizzard doesn't forget that.
Again, having to implement this kind of fix shows flaws in previously implemented "convenience" systems. Putting Disenchant on the same level as Greed completely ruins Greed as an option if you actually want the gear for an offspec or whatever, but aren't in the role at the time. Settling a dispute is easy enough (or the loot is simply inconsequential compared to raids) in 5-mans, even with random people. At most, you're likely only dealing with one or two other people who would have any interest in the loot at all. The problem balloons with 25 random people who have less accountability.
Using a trusted master looter, who is at risk of losing reputation if he fails to uphold the contract between him and the other raiders, is certainly the best way to raid when dealing with people on your server - even if you are basically still just doing need before greed. That doesn't work cross-server though, obviously.
The only other thing I want to touch on is that having to further differentiate gear (we already had the mastery bonus locking you into an armor type) for the purposes could be considered dumbing the game down, making gear less meaningful since you will have fewer choices. Protecting the idiots from themselves I guess, if Warriors and DKs couldn't roll on Spell Plate - so not necessarily a bad thing. Though I do worry that it will be too limiting and prevent some creative gearing strategies - again this is probably not a big deal since the "real" gear/progression will still be with guilds and not in the raid finder, so you can do whatever there to be most effective.
Still, it's kind of an ominous sign - we're already sort of seeing WoW transition from a lobby/server based game, to a matchmade game. For all the benefits of matchmaking, it's a deathtouch to the soul of an MMO - the social aspect. WoW is just as much about interaction and overcoming social challenges as it is raid bosses (to me at least, and I think a great deal of other people). I hope Blizzard doesn't forget that.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That disenchant problem only happens if you're too shy to actually press Need for offspec when you know it's not an upgrade for anyone else. I will ask if I can roll need for offspec, but it's not an actual question, it's just a courtesy to make puggers believe I will defer to their judgment about whether they should shard usable gear at your expense so they can increase their shard count. I've had at least a couple people accuse me of greed for "taking [my] shards," but it's not an actual request when I ask since I will roll need anyways.CarbonatedFalcon said:
A great way Blizzard can troll is by putting down weapons with expertise and mastery on them, although the Death Strike change fixed that to a degree.
I wish Blizzard would update the old races' looks.
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Paladin-beauty-shot-198233872?
^ I'd totally play human if they looked like that.
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Undead-warlock-199116104?
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Troll-shaman-208463161?
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Paladin-beauty-shot-198233872?
^ I'd totally play human if they looked like that.
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Undead-warlock-199116104?
http://firstkeeper.deviantart.com/art/Troll-shaman-208463161?
CarbonatedFalcon
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I actually didn't cringe when I saw the human!
Seriously, those look pretty good. The undead maybe needs a bit more decay in the face, but otherwise I like them. They're a bit more cel-shaded than current WoW though. That stuff is more like an HD WoW - it reminds me of the Dota 2 characters (which I guess is a compliment - the Dota 2 characters being upgraded WC3 models, and WoW being based off WC3)
Seriously, those look pretty good. The undead maybe needs a bit more decay in the face, but otherwise I like them. They're a bit more cel-shaded than current WoW though. That stuff is more like an HD WoW - it reminds me of the Dota 2 characters (which I guess is a compliment - the Dota 2 characters being upgraded WC3 models, and WoW being based off WC3)
CarbonatedFalcon
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I think you know what I meant 
I usually play in 1080p anyway.
I usually play in 1080p anyway.
suzu said:
I am hoping to see something addressing this at Blizzcon. I know they can be lazy and still print money but it is pretty jarring when you switch from the amazing Worgen model to the 2004 Human model.
Really needs an update for the old races, some are worse than others (human males are pretty much the worst). I also would love a return to the Alpha feature where you could select body types, human Rogues and Mages being built like tanks is kinda weird.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have no idea why Tyrande sounds like a troll, but they did get Aszhara's voice spot on. She sounds like such a snotty bitch :lol
CarbonatedFalcon
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That's one of the more complex ones to redo if you use it for a lot of things and it gets completely wiped. Other ones are more simple. Unit frames (whatever your flavor) can also be pretty hard to redo.
Currently I want to redo my Bartender a bit, and I just added Masque (formerly ButtonFacade) and I'm trying to figure that out.
Also - I tried Skada for a couple days, and maybe it's just because I was so used to Recount, but Skada kind of sucks compared to Recount.
I don't know, coming back I'm just sort of in a phase where I want to test addons I never used before, or alternatives to the big names. I'm sure Deus Vox Encounters is great, but I'd still rather stick with DBM. Though I'm willing to experiment in other areas.
Currently I want to redo my Bartender a bit, and I just added Masque (formerly ButtonFacade) and I'm trying to figure that out.
Also - I tried Skada for a couple days, and maybe it's just because I was so used to Recount, but Skada kind of sucks compared to Recount.
I don't know, coming back I'm just sort of in a phase where I want to test addons I never used before, or alternatives to the big names. I'm sure Deus Vox Encounters is great, but I'd still rather stick with DBM. Though I'm willing to experiment in other areas.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is that DBM doesn't do anything particularly poorly so I'm not really sure of how it could be improved in such a way that I would need to.CarbonatedFalcon said:
Also, Wrathion looks ridiculous. It's good to know they actually bothered to finish that Badlands questline (which frankly, should have been in Twilight Highlands since it's Cataclysm- plot important and happens for level 40 players.) I can only assume he's going to be Earthwarder after you kill Deathwing, since it would be utterly idiotic if Thrall was allowed to be the aspect.
CarbonatedFalcon
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From what I understand, DVE has a couple of features that may make it worth using over DBM, but like you said, it's not like DBM is particularly lacking. They both do the same thing anyway.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's only so much it can tell you to do anyways, although I've never been particularly amused that most raids aren't actually possible without a boss mod.CarbonatedFalcon said:
Angry Grimace said:
wha? most bosses are perfectly doable without mods, now more than ever. Mods give you the edge you need to not fail as hard, sure, but almost anything necessary is completely telegraphed in some way or another these days. I'd be curious to hear what DOES need a mod in fact.
The thing that really sucks about losing my power aura setup is all the neat little trick auras I set up for specific bosses. For example, shard stacks on Baleroc is one that I've had since I take stacks on shards on a regular basis. It's an ad-hoc process for me, so I've lost quite a few. I should have learned after last week's crash to export and place it on my cloud drive.
Recreating my regular setup (mostly dots on main target) is also very time consuming, since I've got a specific way that I really like it. It probably takes about twice as long to do that as it does to enable and setup every other addon in the game.
I agree that DBM isn't needed for a lot of bosses nowadays, but it does make you play better, even if it isn't needed. It's more or less assumed that people who raid have something like DBM installed, so I guess we don't really know how people preform without it.
Recreating my regular setup (mostly dots on main target) is also very time consuming, since I've got a specific way that I really like it. It probably takes about twice as long to do that as it does to enable and setup every other addon in the game.
The Yanger said:
I agree that DBM isn't needed for a lot of bosses nowadays, but it does make you play better, even if it isn't needed. It's more or less assumed that people who raid have something like DBM installed, so I guess we don't really know how people preform without it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I haven't played without a Boss Mod in probably 3 years, so it's perfectly possible it's different than it used to be, but last I saw, this is not correct at all unless you're thinking of Punch Out.TheYanger said:
CarbonatedFalcon
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The base UI and boss telegraphs are much better now, yes. There are some bosses where I would say it would be much more difficult without a boss mod. Certainly you would need many more attempts.
Things where timers, and knowing exactly when something spawns are critical. Not the more obvious "Bwargh, I'm using my kill if you don't use a tank cooldown or run the fuck away" abilities.
I haven't thought specifically about raid encounters in awhile though, so I can't think of anything in specific off the top of my head, but I know they exist.
The other thing would be important things to keep track of, like stacking buffs, that are much easier to notice when you have DBM warning you, or alter some other part of the UI to keep track (like using PowerAuras). They have tried to move these kinds of things to default elements, like the sound bar with Atramedes, or the corruption bar with Cho'Gall.
Things where timers, and knowing exactly when something spawns are critical. Not the more obvious "Bwargh, I'm using my kill if you don't use a tank cooldown or run the fuck away" abilities.
I haven't thought specifically about raid encounters in awhile though, so I can't think of anything in specific off the top of my head, but I know they exist.
The other thing would be important things to keep track of, like stacking buffs, that are much easier to notice when you have DBM warning you, or alter some other part of the UI to keep track (like using PowerAuras). They have tried to move these kinds of things to default elements, like the sound bar with Atramedes, or the corruption bar with Cho'Gall.
Speaking of the base UI, i've been using the default Raid UI recently for healing anything and it has been doing a decent job, but am i the only one that have some bugs with it? Like, i activated the "show class color", and sometimes when a new member join or when i join a new group, some of the people's health bar shows as a bright green color instead, and i have to go in the interface menu to fix this to the correct color.
But the most annoying one, which i mostly see in bgs or Tol Barads, is when people leave and new people join...sometimes new people are just invisible in the raid UI and the whole thing is fucked up, like clicking my health bar just dont select my character at all, and i have to reset the whole UI through the command /console reloadui. I hope Blizzard is aware of this and will fix it in 4.3.
But the most annoying one, which i mostly see in bgs or Tol Barads, is when people leave and new people join...sometimes new people are just invisible in the raid UI and the whole thing is fucked up, like clicking my health bar just dont select my character at all, and i have to reset the whole UI through the command /console reloadui. I hope Blizzard is aware of this and will fix it in 4.3.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The new base raid frames are just a shitty rip-off of GRID. If they spent time making GRID come in a usable package rather than requiring an hour's work to get it set up decently, then it would be a no-brainer.Bisnic said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
My biggest problem with GRID is that while its awesome when it's set up, it's a Sisyphean ordeal trying to get anyone else to use it because it takes an hour to make it useful due to the fact it comes bone stock in a form that makes no sense; the fact it has virtually every option in the book means most people I tell to use it just say, "fuck this shit" immediately upon loading it and looking at the options menu.
CarbonatedFalcon
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So I made about 3-4k gold last night, and have another 700 or so waiting in the mail for me. Grrghghghg! I have the AH/Economy Itch again. Seeing a bunch of sold auctions in the mailbox is always an endorphin releaser.
Snagged one of the world drop meta cuts the other day for around 20g, and a Polymorph: Turtle tome for 200g (hoping to flip it for about 2k - I already had an older one that I was saving)
Interestingly enough, most of the gold I made was from clearing out stacks of Cataclysm fish I had stocked up in my storage guild bank. At over 200g a stack... So the profit was unusual since I didn't actually do any work - it was assets I had acquired through work before that were being liquidated into gold. Still felt good though.
Snagged one of the world drop meta cuts the other day for around 20g, and a Polymorph: Turtle tome for 200g (hoping to flip it for about 2k - I already had an older one that I was saving)
Interestingly enough, most of the gold I made was from clearing out stacks of Cataclysm fish I had stocked up in my storage guild bank. At over 200g a stack... So the profit was unusual since I didn't actually do any work - it was assets I had acquired through work before that were being liquidated into gold. Still felt good though.
Subliminal
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Hm, The Guardian Cub will be a bad investment. I don't see it going for anything more than ~5k
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That, or it's the equivalent of the iPhone "I am rich" app to use both the mount and pet.Bisnic said:
My transmogrify set for my Death Knight:
Nothing particularly original, but I don't like huge weapons and I like class themed sets. I would go with full Tier 8, but I never got the shoulders back when Ulduar was around and I don't think trying a 25 man ulduar all the way through to Yogg-Saron and just hoping for the tokens to drop will be an exercise in fun. Not to mention I don't think the off set pieces ever were implemented.
(The sword is just the Horseman's Baleful Blade, which I like because it's standard enchant effect overrides razorice which looks terrible and overdone, and the offhand is just a level 20 Cruel Barb with Fallen Crusader)
half a moon
Banned
looks furry-esque.
gonna e a hit on RP servers
gonna e a hit on RP servers
CarbonatedFalcon
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What is the gold from gold-sellers going for these days?
I don't see the pet going for all that much, maybe 15k at the absolute high end. Otherwise anywhere between 5k-10k or so.
I don't see the pet going for all that much, maybe 15k at the absolute high end. Otherwise anywhere between 5k-10k or so.
HarryDemeanor
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I'm surprised too. Hopefully something gets out soon.Tamanon said:
I just hope that rumor a while ago of Pandaria is fake. There is nothing exciting about a world of talking pandas, and it sure won't help getting more players.
What i want i either the Emerald Dream or the homeland of the Burning Legion. Let's invade those bastards for once.
What i want i either the Emerald Dream or the homeland of the Burning Legion. Let's invade those bastards for once.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
lol wrongBisnic said:
The homeland of the Legion is Argus. I strongly doubt that's a possibility until we get to the last expansion since there's nothing beyond that other than killing Sargeras. However, you'd be a fool to believe they aren't going to just re-use Kil'jaeden as an expansion endboss since he wasn't even supposed to be in TBC in the first place.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Anyone use the Accountant addon? I'm looking for something that tracks gold since it appears that the TitanPanel plugin that did so is broken (and I'm thinking about ditching TitanPanel.)
I installed the regular version - there's a "classic" version I may try as well (and a few other addons that also do this), but after installation, trying to pull up my map, it hides the UI (does what Alt-Z would.) Even if I bind the map button to something else, it still hides the UI.
Turning Accountant off immediately fixed the problem. There's a conflict somewhere, but I'm not sure where. It could be conflicting with some other addon(s), or there is some option that's screwing it up.
I'll have to check on a character with all other addons turned off to see what the deal is. If I can't fix it, I'll try the "classic" version, or something else.
I installed the regular version - there's a "classic" version I may try as well (and a few other addons that also do this), but after installation, trying to pull up my map, it hides the UI (does what Alt-Z would.) Even if I bind the map button to something else, it still hides the UI.
Turning Accountant off immediately fixed the problem. There's a conflict somewhere, but I'm not sure where. It could be conflicting with some other addon(s), or there is some option that's screwing it up.
I'll have to check on a character with all other addons turned off to see what the deal is. If I can't fix it, I'll try the "classic" version, or something else.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Well, obviously I'll change it to something else when I change weapon type. There's only like 3 options, axe, mace and sword.DeathNote said:
Given that I'm still using ZG weapons on my DK and not paying money to get Obsidian Cleavers or regularly raiding Firelands on my DK, I'll probably just use one of the two weapons on the PTR flagged for 4.3 5-mans, one of which is a sword.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Turns out the issue was with Mapster - there's an updated version on WoWAce though.