Honestly, LFR is easier than normal dungeons. I'm not even joking.
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Honestly, LFR is easier than normal dungeons. I'm not even joking.
Robin64
Member
Wow. Well then. Damn.
SoO LFR was the right difficulty for me. People could mess it up and failing could easily happen, but it felt okay.
It really is. I remember my first time in normal grimrail, we wiped at the second boss so I quickly checked the dungeon journal and explained what to do. Everyone just left. Mechanics are too much work apparently.
Lanrutcon
Member
Shadow Council got hotfixed. I believe some of the demons they summon incorrectly counted towards your score.
Still need to meet ilevel minimum (615) to queue for LFR, so for fresh 100s or alts questing out of Nagrand, they'll probably still need a few pieces of gear before being able to jump into LFR 640s. I can see Heroic being steamrolled pretty soon, so at that point I suppose it would make more sense just to do Heroic to get to 615 faster.
Quoting myself to see if anyone has had this issue since the patch that released raids/arena.
SiKotikJ30
Member
I'm all for everyone seeing content, as back when I was a progression raider I always felt bad for those who didn't have the time or whatever it may have been to see things like SSC, TK, BT, etc, but it does feel like they went way overboard on the LFR side. I don't see why they couldn't have included the full versions of the fights, just reduced damage of abilities, reduced HP of boss, loosen enrage timers, etc. I know they have done a few of those things but they could have gone a bit further. It would still make it accessible and easy for everyone in 630+ gear but at the same time you are at least getting the full experience of the fight.
Like, why do the tiger pits on Kargath need to be shut?
Like, why do the tiger pits on Kargath need to be shut?
Lanrutcon
Member
Already open. Ran it a few hours ago.
Gentleman Jack
Member
After this morning's resets US realms got Drov to spawn after Tarlna spawned yesterday.
All of these server resets in the last week is really fucking with any plans for camping Poundfist.
Woohoo! C'mon home time. Daddy needs some more 640 gear
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Holy fuck you guys weren't kidding about LFR.
Can you get loot from both LFR and Normal? I'm in a Normal group but don't want to do LFR if it locks me out of getting loot from bosses past the Butcher (what we've cleared to).
How are you supposed to play Holy and Disc now? It seems like the Holy Strategy is just Sanctuary + Circle of Healing + renew spam until either of the other two are up. Disp seems like Clarity of Will / Shield + Penance / Holy Fire when you can to get mana / build attonement + Archangel.
Does anyone know of a good health bar mod that will show how much shield someone has on them? I miss just filling up health bars with heals
. Now I'm stuck in Shield and HoT hell.
How are you supposed to play Holy and Disc now? It seems like the Holy Strategy is just Sanctuary + Circle of Healing + renew spam until either of the other two are up. Disp seems like Clarity of Will / Shield + Penance / Holy Fire when you can to get mana / build attonement + Archangel.
Does anyone know of a good health bar mod that will show how much shield someone has on them? I miss just filling up health bars with heals
. Now I'm stuck in Shield and HoT hell.
Robin64
Member
You sure can! Might as well do it for stones at least.
They said LFR was going to be tourist mode this time, for real. They want to push people to do organized raiding, but LFR will still be there just so you can see the content if that's all you want or have time for. I think that works.
No reason to do daily CMs anymore. Free 640s are fine now IMO.
LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic all have separate loot lockouts. You can potentially get loot 4 times from a single boss in one week if you do all the difficulties.
LFR, Normal and Heroic can also be run as many times as you want, but you only get a shot at loot the first kill of the week.
Mythic is old style, hard lockout with a raid ID.
No reason to do daily CMs anymore. Free 640s are fine now IMO.
LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic all have separate loot lockouts. You can potentially get loot 4 times from a single boss in one week if you do all the difficulties.
LFR, Normal and Heroic can also be run as many times as you want, but you only get a shot at loot the first kill of the week.
Mythic is old style, hard lockout with a raid ID.
That's what I was planning. I also have a few gear slots that I'm sure a good faceroll in LFR could help fill out. But hey, getting 125 stones quicker is always welcome.
Also, thanks for the explanation ciaossu. I was absent for most of MoP and really only remember the lockout timers on raids from vanilla and the first expansion. That's strange that you can run them over and over for no benefit, but it's neat that I could potentially help other friends beat those bosses after running it with my guild.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I wouldn't necessarily say no benefit. If you need to practice (for ranks - though eventually only Mythic will matter), having the boss always be available for you is nice. Besides being able to help friends or whatever.
Schweinehund
Member
LFR is too easy. Then again the loot isn't that much better than heroic dungeons.
These elemental buffs are nice.
These elemental buffs are nice.
Despite bosses themselves dropping no loot on same week+difficulty runs, I would also like to add that re-running a boss allows you to use your Seal again to roll for bonus loot, until you run out of patience or tokens.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Once again, the pure crafting amount of time it takes to create Crescent Oil for the amount of potions I'm currently producing is just stupid. 40+ minutes for what I can sell in one night is dumb. At least it's not a milling/prospecting-like operation - that would be worse.
I'm technically geared for normal (I think) at 635 but haven't been able to find any Highmaul or CM groups, so I may try LFR this week.
Pugging has seemingly gone down the toilet for some reason, at least for me, so I'm already sick of attempting to do endgame content. Been nothing but frustration. Other than LFR, I think I'm just going to level my new druid and hope things improve somehow in a few months.
edit: guess this didn't directly relate to what you were saying :lol I have no problem with LFR being easy.
BigWeather
Member
Not happy about the LFR difficulty nerf. ToT (beholder excepted) / SoO was perfect. I like seeing the content, but it has to be at least a little challenging. Between removing tier gear and making it so laughably easy I'm only going to run LFR once or twice (as opposed to the 20+ times I did each of the LFRs in MoP), just enough to get the ilvl for the next set. In between patches I'll just save my $15/mo.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
LFR was never really meant to be a long-term, sustained end-game activity, and the advent of flexible raiding has just made it even more reasonable to sideline it. If you have any interest in actual raiding, the in-game group finder and flexible raid sizes is your gateway to that. You don't need a guild or set raid schedule for it, which tend to be the biggest obstacles for people who in the past had no recourse othan than LFR.
Let LFR stay as the totally marginalized, faceroll tourist mode for people who otherwise have no interest in raiding, because actual raiding is more accessible and flexible than ever before.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I forgot I had a free seal from my War Mill this week -_-
Not even sure how to get it for next week. Guess there'll be a quest or something?
Not even sure how to get it for next week. Guess there'll be a quest or something?
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
No quest for the warmill seal, you just talk to one of the NPC's in there and there's a dialogue option for it.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
I'd like to see them boost the ilvl of the CM daily gear as new raids come out. It'd be a nice way to keep that relevant, since you're getting downscaled to 630 regardless of what your actual ilvl is, but obviously there's a massive difference between LFR difficulty and CM difficulty despite similar rewards. Difficulty will change subtly as people get the big enchantments on their gear and as the entire player base clears the 630 min, but ultimately I think the difficulty bar of CM is high enough that a piece of gear somewhere between (whatever is current) LFR and Normal would be a fair reward.
Agreed. In keeping with their new RNG philosophies (which I like!) in 5-mans, the Challenger's Stronngboxes should be modified to always have a CHANCE for current raid Normal loot, whatever item level that happens to be at the time.
BigWeather
Member
Regardless of whether it wasn't meant to be long-term, many people did like it and won't make the jump to group finder. You may not need a guild or set raid schedule but you are still subject to several things that LFR isn't: possibility of non-personal loot mode, requirements created by the group leader with respect to ilvl or achievements, and a greater commitment to that particular run. I'm not interested in any of that, and if raid chat is to believed during my LFR last night, I wasn't the only one lamenting this nerfing of difficulty.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
It's a little tricky though, because they would also have to take into account that if you're doing them every day, you're potentially getting 7 new pieces of gear a week, which is very likely over 3x-7x what the average raider gets. If it sits between Normal and LFR, it acknowledges that you're doing content above LFR, but also makes it clear that your raid progression gear should come from primarily from raids.
Using current raid item levels, I think CM boxes dropping 645 (instead of current 640) and a small chance at 655 (or maybe just 650) gear would be adequate.
Once Foundry comes out, that would then ramp up to 655 gear, with a chance at 665 (or, again, maybe just 660).
Edit: Maybe something like a 15% chance for current normal ilvl, but you can only get 1 normal piece from a box per week?
Well looks like you won't need Crescent Oil anymore:
Good changes overall. Fantastic that meat isn't needed for pots anymore. I felt so bad for our agi/str dps having to farm meat.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Further evidence that their initial rollout for professions was completely half-assed and incomplete. It's like they handed it to an intern and said 'ok you do blacksmithing and alchemy, we'll get the mail department in here shortly to figure out First Aid and Enchanting.'
This is kind of a general and specific question for DPS Specs. Is a primary stat trinket the best option over a secondary stat. Like an agility trinket for a rogue/monk/hunter etc. and a strength trinket for a ret pally/fury or arms warrior. Just wondering because as a Windwalker Multistrike is the top stat priority. I have some MS trinkets but I've been using two high ilvl agility trinkets instead.
I find it pretty unlikely that a standard PUG full cleared Highmaul even on its normal difficulty during the first week. If they did it's not the standard.
The mistakes have been disappointing to say the least, but I am happy they are at least fixing some things. Potions using horrible reagents would be painful all expac, while now that it's getting fixed it will be decent for the next ~2 years.
It's going to depend on the stats, ilevel difference, and how they line up with cooldowns. How much ilevel are we talking? And if it has a 1.5 minute CD use and you take Serenity, that's a great matchup, stuff like that. I don't dps much on my Monk, but I can try to help you out if you post the trinkets and ilevel. You can check out this spreadsheet from Rotund regarding WW stat weights. I recall he is a good player, so this is likely reliable information. And here's some stat weights from the WW simcraft dev.
It's not standard, but it was done. I would imagine that 7/7 across the board in the FIRST week of going live for most PUGs would indicate it was seriously undertuned. I only went 5/7 N, 1/7 H exclusively through PUGs, but feel like that's plenty for, again, the first week of raids going live.
Gentleman Jack
Member
RazorbackDB
Member
LFR is a joke, but I guess is now easier to just run it every week.
There's a pretty steep gap between the first five bosses and the last two bosses in Highmaul. I find it unlikely that people will transition from LFR to clearing normal raids.