At least it looks like they'll be good at some point. Blizzard's recent band-aid fix to the RPDT system, the drastic change to Ignore Pain, and that buff/nerf of Inspiring Presence has me concerned that they're just fucking clueless at the moment.
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At least it looks like they'll be good at some point. Blizzard's recent band-aid fix to the RPDT system, the drastic change to Ignore Pain, and that buff/nerf of Inspiring Presence has me concerned that they're just fucking clueless at the moment.
I can sum it up this way, doing more self-healing based on how much damage you have taken makes sense. Getting more mitigation after the big hit has already happened - which is the way Warrior seems to be set up in Legion - doesn't help at all.
I did the most unscientific test yesterday.
I took my 743 (equipped) Warrior to the tanking dummy in the Garrison, and just let it swing on me for a bit. Once I'd taken 100% of my HP, I'd generated 35~ rage, which isn't even a half-powered Ignore Pain.
Yeah I know that's a stupid test that proves nothing, but I was just curious!
I took my 743 (equipped) Warrior to the tanking dummy in the Garrison, and just let it swing on me for a bit. Once I'd taken 100% of my HP, I'd generated 35~ rage, which isn't even a half-powered Ignore Pain.
Yeah I know that's a stupid test that proves nothing, but I was just curious!
Hippopuncher12
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le sigh another week of full Mythic Dungeon clears and still can't get my last Heirloom trinket to drop. 3 months straight like wtf is with this RNG.
At least you can survive the dummy, he kills my 685 Druid in 30 seconds or less.
Jag
Member
Question about how gear changes with spec change. I know if my agi gear has +int greyed out it will change to +int gear when I change to balance, but I've noticed other gear will also change that doesn't list other stats. How can you tell what will change?
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well considering how many people say Legion is 'rooning' their favorite specs, that should be a good thing, right?
I like feral because it feels like one of the most elegant specs in the game. The buttons have clear purpose, there's not too many of them, and many are smartly contextual(mostly with old stealth abilities that were smartly rolled into other ones). At the same time, the spec has a ton of depth with regards to planning ahead and correctly snapshotting. I feel like it's a fantastic example of an easy to learn and hard to master spec.
That sucks. They really should have added bad luck protection for those
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Rösti
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A peculiar console variable added in Legion is one called CameraOverShoulder. This allows the end user to move the camera x distance right or left from the shoulder of the character. At the moment, the variable allows for rather high values (though seven digits crashed the game, and returned this:
Anyhow, here are some examples and artistic screenshots I took (on the PTR) using this variable. Note that the camera cannot penetrate certain structures, so sometimes it gets stuck (though you can get really great angles using that trick).
My character in this shot stands atop the clock tower in Stormwind, but with a value at 4096 the camera is actually placed in Wetlands (I think it's Wetlands anyway)..
My character here was in Vashj'ir, but the camera is somewhere in Eastern Kingdoms (I can't tell where exactly as textures don't load sometimes using this variable).
Dalaran above Karazhan. It's being attacked by the Legion, hence the ship.
Dalaran (Karazhan), as seen from above.
Paladin order hall.
Anyhow, here are some examples and artistic screenshots I took (on the PTR) using this variable. Note that the camera cannot penetrate certain structures, so sometimes it gets stuck (though you can get really great angles using that trick).
My character in this shot stands atop the clock tower in Stormwind, but with a value at 4096 the camera is actually placed in Wetlands (I think it's Wetlands anyway)..
My character here was in Vashj'ir, but the camera is somewhere in Eastern Kingdoms (I can't tell where exactly as textures don't load sometimes using this variable).
Dalaran above Karazhan. It's being attacked by the Legion, hence the ship.
Dalaran (Karazhan), as seen from above.
Paladin order hall.
With how many specs were half busted or completely unbalanced the number of legitimate claims to specs being ruined seems pretty low. With survivability being nerfed it's sort of inevitable that people would feel like their spec was ruined.
It's hard to not see the specs limited toolset hamstringing it. Not many different playstyles and the bleed/buff maintenance of Feral isn't all that universal. Options for altering playstyle are limited, and unlike some other classes they don't have another melee damage spec to swap to if the fight conditions are unfavorable. The idea of maintaining Savage Roar in a Mythic dungeon is legitimately one of the most unappealing prospects across all the damage specs I can think of.
HarryDemeanor
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So what's a safe item level to head into Mythic dungeons? Thinking about going after those RNG heirloom trinkets.
Dog Problems
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Once I got over 700 I stopped getting declined, lol. Before that it was rare that I got accepted into one.
Hippopuncher12
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Yeah, it blows. I wouldn't mind that much if I knew they wouldn't disappear after Legion launches but I'm pretty sure they will be unobtainable at that point. I am fine with stuff being hard to get I have no problem with stuff taking time or any of that but this is just bad.
jaundicejuice
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There is sooooo little downside to hunters in WoD. They can move while channeling (!), whenever they want (!), much to the envy of every other ranged dps in the game. They have pets to help them tank/dps/solo content, they are one of the few classes that can viably solo some MoP content. They have multiple traps for control of an area, they have multiple escapes, they can fuck up, pull everything and shift their aggro to another party member. I don't know what the downside to a hunter is on live, beyond the stigma of the class.
They also have zero damage ramp-up, they start doing high DPS on pull and never fall off and they have one of the best single target slows in the game.
It's telling of the development team that they looked at Hunter's spec throughout this entire expansion and said 'yeah they're fine'
SargerusBR
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The spec certainly isn't perfect, and I agree with everything here, but I also think that because of these issues, feral has more to potentially gain from the new talent system than most other specs, which makes it a shame that we probably won't see more design iteration for them this expansion.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I love Troll druid lore. It totally makes sense yet is completely removed from Night Elf druid lore.
Ah cool, thanks!
Jag
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Wow. Pretty cool. Funny that I just visited Magni in old IF earlier today.
You can already make Savage Roar passive with a glyph if you want to, but at a substantial DPS loss unfortunately.
Rogues complained when they had active SnD and when they had passive SnD. Now Roll the Bones has started the controversy all over again.
I think that requiring a certain playstyle but making it nearly impossible to execute without third-party add ons is pretty shit, and that's Feral in a nutshell. It takes a lot of practice to do it properly.
Both Savage Roar glyphs are gone IIRC. The one that didn't reduce its power but allowed a cast at 0 CP is missed, the other is obsoleted by SR being a talent now.
Honestly, I can't comment on this, because I can't imagine playing the game on a near optimum level without addons. I know it happens(arena tournament players can't use addons, right?), but it's far from the norm, and honestly, every spec has this problem to a great extent(even if it's even more pronounced for some).
I understand high-level feral play, but honestly play it very casually and just for leveling/dungeons. In those situations, the spec is fine, and even easier than some other specs IMO without addons.
People that bitch about 'maintainence buffs' when you've only got like one or two that are core to the class, I can't stand that shit. It's not any different than maintaining a dot or something, and as much as you can deride them as "Just keep them up, where's the gameplay!" you could do that about anything, those buffs impact your rotation and timing and as much as it's trivial to keep them up, it's still something people fail to do, and better players lose less dps doing so than worse players. /shrug.
Even the "oh maintaining roar in a 5 man sounds awful" argument:
It's harder, for sure, but again I played a rogue through all of vanilla and TBC where you did the same thing, it's not ACTUALLY very hard, it just impacts your dps a bit on fodder style trash, on legitimate trash it doesn't hurt nearly as much unless you guys stand around a ton between every pull. To me that's all part of the skill cap of the character though, min-maxing your output in variable situations. On a base level no class is hard to play, but in reality they're all hard to play because of things like that which require a more intrinsic knowledge of effective dps.
Even the "oh maintaining roar in a 5 man sounds awful" argument:
It's harder, for sure, but again I played a rogue through all of vanilla and TBC where you did the same thing, it's not ACTUALLY very hard, it just impacts your dps a bit on fodder style trash, on legitimate trash it doesn't hurt nearly as much unless you guys stand around a ton between every pull. To me that's all part of the skill cap of the character though, min-maxing your output in variable situations. On a base level no class is hard to play, but in reality they're all hard to play because of things like that which require a more intrinsic knowledge of effective dps.
Not everyone likes exactly what you like. Shocking.
Remember when combo points didn't carry between targets & S&D lasted like, 17 seconds? Fun times.
Maintenance buffs are boring because the effect isn't as obvious or immediately felt. I'd rather my button presses feel more impactful.
Instead of pressing SnD every 36 seconds to keep a buff up I'd rather have some hard hitting ability to press every 36 seconds. It feels a lot better and has immediate feedback when I see a big number pop up on my screen.
That's why I don't like maintenance buffs.
Instead of pressing SnD every 36 seconds to keep a buff up I'd rather have some hard hitting ability to press every 36 seconds. It feels a lot better and has immediate feedback when I see a big number pop up on my screen.
That's why I don't like maintenance buffs.
They better not get rid of Hammer Raptor, that's my favorite part of running around in the order hall in beta.
jaundicejuice
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That was neat. Seems like the Dwarves might have some of the strongest lore out the Alliance races heading into Legion given what's happening.
Obviously, but when it's something that has been core to the class for a long time and it DOES have gameplay benefit, it seems silly to think it should change. I don't complain about how ret paladins paly just because I rolled a ret paladin alt when people that ACTUALLY play ret paladins play them because they enjoy that style.
S&D Lasted like 30 seconds. 21 untalented, and the talent was 100% required for all specs, which bumped it to 30.
Ok? So apply the same logic to dots, do you then play a warlock and demand that dots are boring and should be changed? They serve very similar functions.
Uh... You always seem so hostile towards... everything.
1. DoTs feel significantly different than maintenance buffs to me. I see the direct feedback when I cast them in the form of number streams above my target. Increased attack speed or damage from maintenance buffs are hidden within the normal numbers so I don't feel that immediate impact. So I find them less satisfying.
2. No. I don't demand anything be changed. I was just stating why I'm not a big fan of maintenance buffs. If you love them, good for you?
I thought it was 17 untalented in TBC? Rogue was my 5th or so alt, so I'm cutting myself some slack on that.
Naw, keeping enrage up on a Fury warrior is cool.
Be better if they were Dinomancers instead
Why pretend that it's fun? These things should change over the years. There is nothing inherently wrong with a self-buff, but when the window is too long it's just going to be an ability that's mandatory without really delivering feedback. Savage Roar is one of the most egregious examples of being a buff that you only notice when it's missing.
Maintenance style buffs carry other problems by introducing long static path to ramp up. Early resources wind up being dedicated to nothing else than establishing that a character is powerful enough to function around where other classes preform. It becomes an arbitrary gate for doing anything else, which is especially harmful to a spec as resource limited at the Feral Druid. This is a problem for DoT classes too...and guess what has both? The Feral Druid.
If WoW's DoT classes actually built to something it'd be fine, but they don't have the highs you get on something like FFXIV's Summoner, where the DoTs feel more like enablers rather than just ticking damage sources.
I wish, but it's Night Elves and nothing else is even close.
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Rösti
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This seems quite cool, great for more value during the weeks leading up to Legion launch:
Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745036344#3
CarbonatedFalcon
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Rösti;208810470 said:
I guess this kinda confirms DHs won't be available immediately on pre-patch, but maybe a week or two after at the earliest.
Eh like I mentioned last time this came up the final quest you get as part of the demon hunter quest experience is basically the same quest you get as non demon hunter classes, which all takes place directly after the Broken Shore event. It wouldn't make any sense for demon hunters to be active until around the same time that scenario is on live servers unless they went in and completely redid the end of that questing experience.
I'd expect the class to go live when the scenario goes live or shortly after.