And it has been that way for a long time.
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World of Warcraft |OT7| Feel the hatred of 10,000 Murlocs
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And it has been that way for a long time.
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. People have no self control. If they did have self control there would be absolutely 0 bitching about garrisons and yet nearly all bitching about WoD over the past year has been about how people don't like how everything is tied to the garrison because it makes everything faster than just not interacting with the garrison.
And this is why the WOW community sucks.
All I want is options. Depending on the day, I might want to grind some rep through dailies, or through spamming dungeons, or through hunting rares. Just give me the option to do what I want that day - I'm still working for it no matter how it's done.
Instead, people can't see beyond the end of their nose and want the entire game designed around exactly what they want. It's fucking ridiculous.
Not ranting about anyone in this thread, by the way. Just the bullshit you see on the general forums, MMOC, etc.
RoninChaos
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It was to me, especially when the daily quests used to be pretty varied and pretty awesome. The stuff from this expansion is just fucking lazy.
In regards to your post above, the core issue with WoD has been options. It didn't used to feel that way. They funneled EVERYTHING into raiding, every action was meant to get you raiding. They have to change that focus to being more broad and I think they can fix the game.
Blooddimond
Member
The issue with the garrison is more that it's the poster child for WoW's current issues. The game has actively shifted towards supporting min/maxing over time, and with almost no real incentives to do things like heroic dungeons or lower ilvl raids after you've outgeared it (which is really easy to do once you get access to Tanaan). The game feels like its actively pushing the player towards skipping the old content that was for gearing up earlier on and getting straight to whatever's new for raiding, instead of going out into the world. Garrisons just happen to be the most prominent example of that in that even just checking in once a day is better than trying to farm mats in Draenor itself or doing LFR.
Well I know you said your point was in general but I just want to point out that I did say I would be fine with rep tabards coming back, they just need to be better balanced.
Because the thing is, I agree with you. I want the game to have more options about how to progress your character but you can't realistically have options without imposing limitations, at some point self control can't be an excuse anymore hence why I keep mentioning garrisons. I've never once seen someone suggest that you do a crafting profession without putting work orders in a building because that is just silly even if it is entirely possible to craft a full set of gear and upgrade it without ever interacting with the garrison.
In an ideal world you should be able to do anything in the game and accomplish anything. I honest to god have no problem offering a person who only logs in 10 minutes a day to do follower missions full access to their tier raid gear and exalted with every single reputation as long as the other methods of obtaining those things are similarly balanced in terms of real life time to acquisition. It's why I was bummed to see VP gear removed after MoP launch and then VP to be completely removed in WoD. Especially so in MoP because they had the fucking perfect system man, you could gain VP by doing nearly anything: questing, dungeons, scenarios, raiding, even fucking rare spawns in 5.2 yet for some reason they turned VP into a thing you only spent on item upgrades.
Yeah, I fully understand. It was something I struggled with myself until I figured it out. Especially because I lean towards being an altoholic.
Gentleman Jack
Member
All of my alts are dead and it's entirely the fault of the Garrison. I just have no further drive to maintain them all, and gearing them up so intricately involves the garrison that I just can't be assed anymore. Even now I don't bother with Tanaan, the damage is done and they're all too far behind.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Finally got Pathfinder. Fuck rep grind.
Unless you're chasing a legendary ring on every alt, gearing up is the least garrison-related activity in game. Am I forgetting some aspect of it?
That's why I just started trying to seriously gear up my Warlock. Between Tanaan and flying being released next week, it won't be too painful other than the time-gating on the legendary quest.
Gentleman Jack
Member
By gearing up alts I am of course bringing them up to the bare acceptable minimum to raid normal HFC, which requires at least a stage 3 ring.
I haven't had the time to do that so they just sit in their garrisons in blues, I haven't even logged in most of them in three months.
Meh, that makes reps seem pointless IMO. MoP dailies were fine if they didn't have gear gated behind them. Gear should have just been gated by Valor with MoP reps having patterns and optional stuff.
WoD reps (aside from Tanaan reps which are average) are the worst they've ever done easily. No story, just kill these mobs for no reason over and over.
I'm wondering if their intent is to make LFR players go "oooo archimonde is scary and hard
" and then nerf it, but that initial scare is still there.It's obviously not tuned properly for a random group of 25 people of varying skill levels. Mechanics like Nether Banish should always pick targets automatically in LFR.
I'm just glad it's account wide, because trying to fight Tanaan mobs on an undergeared alt is fucking impossible. Those things have too many hit points to do on a toon that is anything but fully decked out.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Low rating and healer+anything is good.
2s isn't balanced. At one point in 6.1 the entire front page of the 2s ladder was frost dk, as double DK was steamrolling everyone.
They balance PvP around 3s.
Vanishing Avatar
Member
That might make things worse. At least two of the times I wiped it was because the banished tank got knocked back of the platform. The people in there need to know to focus the star and be able to slow it.
Robin64
Member
LFR Archimonde just needs a couple of things.
* Archimonde himself just needs a little less health full stop.
* The Fel Sparks need less health, maybe half. On lower Determination, too few people would get to them and they'd basically always be up. Barely any time between them until we hit +5 stacks.
Agree about always taking a selection into banish, as long as:
* Void Stars in the Nether need to move slower and everyone in there needs a warning one has spawned and is chasing someone, not just the person being chased.
* Archimonde himself just needs a little less health full stop.
* The Fel Sparks need less health, maybe half. On lower Determination, too few people would get to them and they'd basically always be up. Barely any time between them until we hit +5 stacks.
Agree about always taking a selection into banish, as long as:
* Void Stars in the Nether need to move slower and everyone in there needs a warning one has spawned and is chasing someone, not just the person being chased.
CarbonatedFalcon
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The only thing I don't like about the current rep grinds is that the infinite augment rune at exalted is pretty much required for serious raiding and I don't know how assed I'll be to acquire it on alts I intend to play. Buying medallions isn't an option for my alliance DK that only has ~10k gold.
Otherwise the revered requirement was pretty fine IMO for flying - that doesn't really take long at all.
Otherwise the revered requirement was pretty fine IMO for flying - that doesn't really take long at all.
Blizz knows that it is this way and tries to design around it so there won't be a single optimal path. GC had several posts during MoP about it.
so it's unlikely we could hit 2000 with this comp? hitting 2000 is all thats needed for the rated gear, right?
forgive my ignorance i was once pretty arena savvy back in wotlk but as with everything in this game its always changing and taking 4 years off or whatever it was will make you feel clueless
i mean back when i played you couldnt even get the better rated gear, like the weapon or the pauldrons i think, from playing 2's - it seems thats changed
Think it is 2200, but rated gear is just a different skin (you also need to acquire 27,000 conquest points for the season to get that gear). The ilvl's are the same though.
I wish we could get new class specific mounts. For every class this time, as it should be. Some classes having mounts and not others is dumb as fuck.
A few years ago I would have thought Legion was the perfect opportunity with the class focus and all, but now we have the store mounts so...yeah, probably never.
A few years ago I would have thought Legion was the perfect opportunity with the class focus and all, but now we have the store mounts so...yeah, probably never.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Nah, monks should get an actual flying cloud, not some stone frisbee with asthmatic puffy smoke particles occasionally visible nearby it.
eudaemonic
Member
Did LFR Arch last night. Good times. We made it up to eight stacks by time we downed him. Love when people ask if there are any questions and no one says anything and then the fight starts and everyone scatters like dropping sand on the ground. Couldn't be mad though - I knew what I was getting into. I like the fight though (hadn't tried it on normal yet). I can see how it would feel good with a fine tuned group.
That's not normal??
The knockback should be severely reduced in LFR, just like how much smaller the LFR Massive Blast knockback is on Mannoroth.
It seems like the devs are being obtuse. Obviously a ferocious knockback is not a good idea for LFR.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
It's 2k. And I'm like 99% sure it's not in 2's, just 3s and RBGs. They even removed the rewards from 5s now that I'm thinking about it.
Maybe that's just titles. idk, pvp is a shitshow and a half these days. Not even worth it.
i dunno the gear on the vendor didnt give a specific bracket requirement like it used too, it just said 2k in arena iirc
some of the rewards, and the mount i think is 3's only, as it says as much on the achievement page
i had fun pvping, but ive only been back a few weeks, maybe when i get to higher ratings the imbalance will rear its ugly head
holy shit, that 6.2 one was beautiful.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I'm at +5 roll bonus. Watch me get pants off Zakuun and him not drop a trinket again this week. Just watch, and the rage will flow.
And bleh, alt DK would have 715 ring this week if I had done LFR last week. Coulda gotten started on tomes tomorrow or whenever. Oh well.
And bleh, alt DK would have 715 ring this week if I had done LFR last week. Coulda gotten started on tomes tomorrow or whenever. Oh well.
HarryDemeanor
Member
My current UI at the moment. It's Benik UI which is an extension of ElvUI. Trying it out for a bit. Made a couple of tweaks so far of some useless stuff that I didn't need.
Robin64
Member
The encounter is fine, it's the people that are stupid >_>
JSoup
Banned
It was the damnedest thing.
5 stacks, we suddenly got very good.
6 stacks, just about had it.
Stacks 7 - 9, what the fuck happened? Everyone started to suddenly suck out loud.
Robin64
Member
Well sadly, for LFR, that means the encounter isn't fine. Keep the core, but just tweak some things. Force a selection of people into the Nether, for one thing.
