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World of Warcraft |OT8| CITIZENS OF DALARAN
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LowParry
Member
Yeah that's right. Then brought back.
Playing for work? Playing WoW??Karazhan!
I'm playing for work anyways, but I'm down of Kara's return. Still need to find a new server.
neurosisxeno
Member
Kinda wish rather than just retuning Karazhan they tried to make a different wing of Kara. The main instance is too big for a 5 man IMO.
Sax Russel
Banned
So with Nighthold being the 7.2 raid then (I thought it would be sooner -_-), two tier expansion again? Or just a lot more patches?
why is it too big for 5 man? whats the difference between a 5 man and a 10 man in time investment, if the loot is there and its tuned for 5 people? Kara was never a "full raid" dont forget
they have said its 3 tiers but I was wondering that aswell.
NH is still t1, there are 3 tiers
its considered a 7.0 raid just like brf was a 6.0 raid
the mini raid doesnt matter, its a zone storyline specific raid so im sure it will be pretty accessible and easy, may not even be mythic i would imagine
EN is a VERY short raid, and if it was considered a tier i would have probably quit months ago
Emerald Nightmare isn't that small. It's about the same size as the Firelands.
I have completed and tested that entire raid 6 times over, it wont have the legs you think it does
firelands was VERY SHORT and had an engaging end boss that eclipsed everything else in the zone, EN is just dull through and through with no redeeming factors AND short
on top of that if you dont even raid mythic (the raid is shit on mythic also) half the bosses literally do nothing heroic down, ursoc for example LITERALLY stands still and uses 2 abilities, the place is a mess
NH is so much farther along on every spectrum its crazy really, people are cutting hours for EN to treat it as a gearing period if thats any more proof of the mythic communities thoughts on the matter
xavius will be the buggiest mess on launch also, you could tell from testing it 3 times and nothing changing, even working its a shit boss
neurosisxeno
Member
Theoretically it's fine, but it's so spread out it will be about as great as places like BRD or UBRS. There's an expectation for 5-mans that they are generally smaller than Raids, and Kara in terms of scale still very much feels like a raid--not to mention huge rooms filled with Trash Mobs. The run between Curator and Netherspite/Aran (can't remember which one comes first) alone is bigger than most dungeons...
Sax Russel
Banned
Yeah, I guess I was just assuming if Nighthold is unlocking after 7.1 they'll have the unlock be 7.2 and call it a day. My low faith in Blizz's "content" is subconsciously making me think the worst ;P
this isnt a normal dungeon to go with "expectations". its a new thing (well, or a return to an old thing if you remember original BRD for example) that many people have been asking for. Theres no reason to believe the zone wont be changed to be shorter, cut some corridors and whatnot, refurbish it a bit. I love Kara but it looks OLD (its TBC content), im sure they will revamp it
They definitely have to live up to their word for sure.
What do we really know about the raid unlocks so far?
The game releases in 2 weeks. Most likely 3-4 weeks after launch, Emerald Nightmare will unlock. I would guess 1-2 months after EN patch 7.1 hits (so 2-3 months into the expansion), which would bring in the small raid between EN and Nighthold.
I would guess 1 month later, for a total of 2-3 months of Emerald Nightmare before Nighthold opens up. Which would then be open for probably 3-5 months before the next raid tier hits. Maybe we would get another small raid after some months.
I think Ion said at some point that BRF may have come a bit too soon after Highmaul. How many weeks/Months after Highmaul did it launch? 2 months? 3 months?
The game releases in 2 weeks. Most likely 3-4 weeks after launch, Emerald Nightmare will unlock. I would guess 1-2 months after EN patch 7.1 hits (so 2-3 months into the expansion), which would bring in the small raid between EN and Nighthold.
I would guess 1 month later, for a total of 2-3 months of Emerald Nightmare before Nighthold opens up. Which would then be open for probably 3-5 months before the next raid tier hits. Maybe we would get another small raid after some months.
I think Ion said at some point that BRF may have come a bit too soon after Highmaul. How many weeks/Months after Highmaul did it launch? 2 months? 3 months?
neurosisxeno
Member
It would seem they are trying to "correct" their past behavior with Legion at least. I think they want patches to always bring something new rather than have "Story Driven Content" get its own patch. Patches like 5.1 and 6.1 were super disappointing in that regard--they mostly offered a handful of new quests or arbitrary crap that nobody wanted.
That's what I was talking about--they need to clean it up and shorten it or people won't want to run it because it will take too long. Even when Kara was on farm back in TBC, it wasn't uncommon for it to take almost 2 hours, mostly due to all the walking between bosses. I think they should divide it up into 3 Wings or something of that nature. Attumen/Moroes/Maiden/Opera work as their own wing, and Nightbane isn't too far off. So throw those together, then do Curator and on as their own dungeon.
Sölf;214023726 said:
we know nothing other than hints because they feel the need to drop 7.1 information before 7.0 information and fuck over everyone planning basically
but the assumed month for NH is january currently by most in the know
meaning EN 3 weeks in is also the presumed date, 4 would be great though
THOUGH, to be fair, they've been really churning out content like a mofo lately.
If they can keep the pace, we'll be inundated with content and also they've said World Quests are easy peasy to add to the world with the system they've setup.
I seriously think the next expansion will revamp Azeroth and add scaling tech + world quests to the whole thing. Make the entire world relevant.
Call me crazy here, but I think Azeroth will wake up and actually allow the planet to travel through space (to Argus!) so we can fight as a mobile world platform
If they can keep the pace, we'll be inundated with content and also they've said World Quests are easy peasy to add to the world with the system they've setup.
I seriously think the next expansion will revamp Azeroth and add scaling tech + world quests to the whole thing. Make the entire world relevant.
lol outland/northrend
Call me crazy here, but I think Azeroth will wake up and actually allow the planet to travel through space (to Argus!) so we can fight as a mobile world platform
jaundicejuice
Member
They definitely have to show not merely say, especially with post xpac release patches.
so you just want them to do it like dire maul or BRD... so whats the point of it being a raid-like 5 man mega dungeon? this is meant to take long to complete, like a raid
neurosisxeno
Member
I think making it a raid-like mega dungeon is a bit of a mistake. It's going to be too drawn out unless they really incentivize people.
It almost sounded like he was suggesting 4-5 months for EN since he started out by saying the 2 month gap between HM and BRF was too short.
i believe hes referring tot he tier following the launch tier since they have stated an otherwise shorter release schedule but you never really can tell
especially since they dont release the schedule and would instead prefer to announce content that is nowhere near the launch of the expansion
3 months between EN and NH with NH being in january is a safe expectation i would still say
Well, I hope its only 3 months because 4-5 months of a 7 boss raid with no tier seems far too long.
agreed for sure
an argument can be made for 4 months, 5 is ridiculous considering the state NH is in
YAAAASSSSSSSHBRINGER
You have to be in the same area as the host
Invasions. Could get to 700 in a day if do enough of them no problem.
Invasions will get you past 700 item lvl quite easily. Should only take a few days, if that.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Chests from invasions give you ilvl 700 gear. Plus you can use the nethershards from the invasions to buy ilvl 700 rings, trinkets, and a cloak in Stormwind/Orgrimmar.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
They made Moroes look cool. Impressive Blizzard.
Invasions can give you 710 gear!
Aztechnology
Member
So my friend got me to start playing again, and we're doing some invasions. We're on a PVP server from years ago and invasions are so damn miserable it makes me want to quit. I can't participate at all because even though our server is balanced H:A the server group is massively in favor of horde players and they will just kill you on sight. What the hell were they thinking, couldn't they at least have made these neutral zones for the purpose of invasions seeing as its part of the story and kind of essential here?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Race changed from Orc Shaman to Troll Shaman. Ya mon.
Everywhere is "part of the story."
Aztechnology
Member
I'm not sure I'm following, I mean having PVP turned to a neutral state or flagged state only in invasion zones for the purpose of the co-operation in the story.
It's cool that Kara is coming back...but I feel more confused than ever about the release timeline after how they handled Blackrock Foundry. Was that its own "tier"? Should I expect Nighthold 4-5 months after Emerald Nightmare or are they actually going to do a split tier properly this time around? Where does Kara fit into these things? It's not a raid tier, so logically would that mean 7.2 hits 4-5 months after Legion launch and 7.1 with Kara is before that? That seems kind of crazy.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Sounds like PVP happening on a PVP server.
Aztechnology
Member
But it doesn't really make any sense in this situation and is plain miserable for the built mechanics. Plus it's not like I have an option to stop this other than paying 100's of dollars to move my characters.
Sorry, but this...
Is what I believe.
Why doesn't it make sense? The Horde & Alliance are at odds with each other, and there's been plenty of examples in the past of us fighting the faction war while fighting a clearly bigger threat.
Shit, we take the Alliance airship outta the sky in ICC.
With you on the cost of transfers being stupid, though.