MMaRsu
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Relevant is not mandatory?
I dont like the fact that older content is effectively useless when a new expack drops. I understand that they want people to mostly play new content but couldnt they add Garrison to legion regions?
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Relevant is not mandatory?
I dont like the fact that older content is effectively useless when a new expack drops. I understand that they want people to mostly play new content but couldnt they add Garrison to legion regions?
Lanrutcon
Member
That's doesn't really solve much. Characters are balanced around having grown artifacts, not fresh ones. You won't know how your spec functions in the grand scheme until you've invested a lot of time into your artifact, at which point it's too late to turn back as you can't get that investment back.
Plus the fact that the major class balance fixes are only happening alongside mythic raiding. You could spend a month on your Affliction artifact, and then the spec gets nerfed into oblivion right as mythic raiding starts. Oops. You're a month behind the curve. Hope you like looking like shit on the dps meters.
Anything worth doing is mandatory. People were whining they were forced to mine their garrison every day. People were whining they were forced to log in to check the mission table for rewards and new missions.
So, now Blizzard just make stuff worthless. It's the only way really.
Hell people apparently feel forced to be subbed when there is no content and still whine.
One thing's struck me about Artifacts: I'm assuming that there are no desirable weapon drops, with the expectation that you will only ever use the Artifact. I can understand if they haven't put a significant number of weapons into loot tables, but it'll be a bit odd if Timewalking gives weapons that won't be desirable, it'll remove one of the attractive elements of Timewalking.
Lanrutcon
Member
Artifacts are in a league of their own: no other weapons compare even remotely. You'll be using artifacts exclusively in Legion.
Yes, I'm aware of that (and rephrased a bit to cover that) - that does mean that it'll be slightly odd to be disappointed when you get a TW drop... and it's a weapon, though!
Robin64
Member
I was using mandatory in the WoW-userbase sense.
But no, they couldn't just add a Garrison to Legion regions, people generally hate the Garrison. Instead they reused the tech and gave Order Halls, which are still Garrisony but an improvement in so many ways.
Lanrutcon
Member
Oh, there aren't any as far as I'm aware. As in: there are no weapons on the majority of loot tables in Legion. I mean like, 99.9% of them.
MMaRsu
Member
People should fucking whine less then shouldnt they? And Blizz shouldnt just bow to their wishes either imo.
You are not forced to check the mission table for rewards and new missions. You can pretty much ignore it cant you? Except for upgrading Garrison to lvl 3.
I had the impression that the smart thing to do would be to commit to one, though, otherwise it's going to take a long time?
and Monk makes 8 100s... dunno why really, just 'cause /shrug. Not bad compared to the one 100 when wod launched >_<
Windwalker was fun, but much like Enhancement shaman, one the initial shine wore off, I cant see myself playing it. If I was going to melee it would be Fury Warrior (or Demon Hunter probably).
think im really done for realsies this time until next week, my 91 Ret pali did nothing for me and the druid and rogue are in their 40s and I dont have a boost anymore (used it on the warrior).
Guess ill save some classes for the next expansion 120 boost I guess lol. Might fuck around with some transmog runs on my hunter and warrior until next week
edit: meh best Hunter tier is 13 by far, no way I can solo that tho ;_;
Windwalker was fun, but much like Enhancement shaman, one the initial shine wore off, I cant see myself playing it. If I was going to melee it would be Fury Warrior (or Demon Hunter probably).
think im really done for realsies this time until next week, my 91 Ret pali did nothing for me and the druid and rogue are in their 40s and I dont have a boost anymore (used it on the warrior).
Guess ill save some classes for the next expansion 120 boost I guess lol. Might fuck around with some transmog runs on my hunter and warrior until next week
edit: meh best Hunter tier is 13 by far, no way I can solo that tho ;_;
Yeah, you should choose a spec and focus on it until you can research artifact knowledge from your class hall. Knowledge multiplies your AP gains so you can then catch up your other specs to a reasonable level.
I see. Maybe I'll just pick my favorite specs (Frost DK and Affliction Lock) first and if they underperform i'll just start catching up.
or you can just play whatever spec you like and not worry about the 5% difference or whatever it ends up being, unless you are in a top 100 guild or something
edit: looking at the warrior sets on atlas loot, think T6 is still my fave tbh
If you care about performance then those are two specs you should be avoiding like the plague unless you pray for some massive buffs during heroic week.
truestatic
Member
Does AP cost scale up PER WEAPON, or simultaneously across all weapons? That is, will it be pretty cheap to get your first few ranks in a second weapon, even when your first weapon's progress has become painfully slow? Or does every point you spend in your main weapon make putting puts in an alt weapon less and less appealing.
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Onslaught and OG Dreadnaught will never be outdone.
Robin64
Member
The first one. Costs for the first abilities in secondary weapons are low regardless of what you've done with your primary one.
Moreover, artifact power means you'll be filling those abilities in super fast.
My point was that Timewalking dungeons are designed as content for a large range of players, the rescaling isn't just for max level. So will it be the case that weapons will drop in TW if you're below 100, but not drop if you're above 100? That's somewhat unwieldy.
Why on earth are you thinking that artifacts have any bearing on timewalking dungeon of all things.
It'll be a bit more than a 5% difference. A single artifact talent can make a spell 30% more effective.
Lanrutcon
Member
I'm getting the general sense that people don't realise what artifacts are: they're levels 110 to 120, dudes. The difference between a fleshed out artifact and a fresh artifact is way, waaaay more than the current difference between a ilvl 700 and an ilvl 740 with set bonus and trinket.
im not talking about a artifact maxed vs a fresh one. Im talking about playing the specs you like not the most powerful ones. But what do I know, im just a casual, back in my raiding days I lucked out that the specs I liked were the "proper" ones
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Okay.
Lanrutcon
Member
Sitting in the same boat.
I like Feral, Enhancement and Affliction.
Folks say I should be doing Balance, Resto and Destro.
I'm really failing to explain myself! Let's try to break it down:
* No weapons will drop in Legion; we are using artifacts throughout.
* Timewalking dungeons currently can drop weapons.
* They are likely to continue to drop weapons going into Legion, because people below 100 can do Timewalking as well.
* I think it's unprecedented to have loot tables that vary based on the participant's level. I may be wrong on that.
* Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that if you're over 100 and go into a Timewalking dungeon, you may get a weapon drop that is of no use to you.
The thing is, there's lots of potential solutions to this that I can see, but I'm not aware of any real precedence for this sort of thing, so I'm curious how Blizzard would do it:
* Remove all weapons drops from Timewalking dungeons for all levels
* Implement changing loot tables based on participant level
* Just not care and have weapons drop that aren't of use for 100+ players
* Something else.
Azzurri
Member
Completely agree with you. Legion seems to be extremely unfriendly to alts. At least in prior Xpacs you could grind BGs within a few days and get enough gear to start raiding or whatever, but with legion it feels like you're pigeonholed into one class and spec. It's like if you don't pick the right class and spec you could be screwed pretty bad in raiding and PvP.
I don't want to have to grind months just to get a fully unlocked artifact weapon because my first class or spec sucks. And like you said the difference between a fully unlocked artifact and a new one is nigh and day.
Azzurri
Member
oh the 100 boost gives you 280% flying, thats neat
edit: wait what... you can get the firelands tier (tier 12?) with just gold?
and 4/5 of tier 13 with gold also, except the shoulders
Where are the vendors for tier 12 and 13 on Alliance?
The work-around for that is the artifact knowledge research. So once you get to gearing an alt / offspec, they could've stacked AP gains to 2x or 3x or something.
It's not ideal, but class fantasy!
oh the 100 boost gives you 280% flying, thats neat
edit: wait what... you can get the firelands tier (tier 12?) with just gold?
and 4/5 of tier 13 with gold also, except the shoulders
yeah only cata tier you need to do the raid for is the heroic versions and Dragon soul tier.
they also said around halfway through the expac they're going to make AP just stupid easy to get so all of your alts will be able to get full artifact weps.
actually tier 13 with gold is just a couple of classes, not all. Like there will be 2 cloth sets, 2 plate sets, etc. they are just lookalikes. Leather lookalikes seem to be rogue and druid t13
for cloth it seems to be warlock and priest (again, minus the shoulders). for plate warrior and DK I think. Still neat if youre missing certain pieces. This only goes for Normal colors.
for T12 (again, normal colors only), the whole set per class is there. I just got the hunter set, actually looks better than I expected. Lock and Mage sets look awful tho, not buying those. Theres actually some good looking cloaks to buy there aswell
the vendors are the old valor vendors in Stormwind old town. These guys:
edit: DK T12 isnt bad, no T12 for Monk /cry
There's a reason why Timewalking won't be active for awhile when Legion launches, they're probably trying to figure out a good solution for stuff like that
The easiest solution would be that every weapon that drops has an artifact relic drop too, so the weapon is xmog and the relic is the upgrade
so to recap for nooblets like me that didnt know and are looking for some easy transmogs:
you can buy the full t12 (firelands) normal tier with gold from the stormwind old town old valor vendors (dunno about horde ones). the other vendor has t13 normal lookalikes, but its missing the shoulders and instead of having your class's tier like t12, it has the same for everyone. seems to be:
cloth - warlock and priest
leather - druid and rogue
mail - shaman and hunter
plate - warrior and dk
that t13 vendor is nice to fill out some normal tier piece youre missing I guess.
you can buy the full t12 (firelands) normal tier with gold from the stormwind old town old valor vendors (dunno about horde ones). the other vendor has t13 normal lookalikes, but its missing the shoulders and instead of having your class's tier like t12, it has the same for everyone. seems to be:
cloth - warlock and priest
leather - druid and rogue
mail - shaman and hunter
plate - warrior and dk
that t13 vendor is nice to fill out some normal tier piece youre missing I guess.
Firelands transmog is just so good.