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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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terencecah
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which war spec is best for PVE?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Prot.
I leveled my Fire Mage to cap recently. The DPS without cooldowns is unspeakably bad, so playing out in the world involves pulling as much as you can, bursting it down in 10 seconds, then trying to hide for the next 2 minutes until you have Combustion again. Frost is a little bit better outside the cooldown cycles, but it lacks the same ability to delete what you're facing at will. Arcane might be the best spec for handling the rhythm of killing single mobs in so-so gear.
When I go from that toon to my geared Enhancement Shaman, I just shake my head. Takes a fraction of the time to do world quests because mobs with 1.5M health die in 3 seconds.
It's junk really. Honestly the positive feedback from people who enjoy mashing random buttons and watching the animations put the spec in an early grave, but for me this is the least interesting iteration of Fury the game has ever seen. The talent tree is maybe the least flexible in the game and it probably has the most simplistic hotbar of any class in the game. You've got loads of the Fury artifact tree dedicated to Execute but the phase is just an absolute mess of incomprehensible design still with no fix in sight. Is there a spec with less relevant gold traits on their artifact weapon than Fury?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Dunno what Fury golds are but Brewmaster 2/3 gold traits are straight trash. One is okay (after a huge buff it received, used to be trash too).
at 830 yes, get higher honor level and ilvl and you will do fine, WW monks are still kinda strong in pvp.
It's not 'my' experience, it's general consensus among people that actually do these things. The group I was talking about was all melee as well, the second boss doesn't have any special anti melee mechanic (nor does the last boss), it's purely down to a boss that doesn't ramp damage up particularly quickly vs one that does, and an affix that both increases that damage and increases kill time due to more hp. There's nothing to argue about here, it's a static amount of hp vs how quickly you need to kill the boss and the final boss has a much less favorable ratio of the two.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
No, it's just your experience. Your anecdotes are just that as well, yours.
Yanger your schtick of telling others what is and isn't and trying to put others in their place is grating.
X HP that requires Y HPS and Z DPS compared to 2/3 X HP that requires 2/3 Y HPS and 2/3 Z DPS is not a fucking opinion. Your healer has to put out more HPS and your dps has to put out more DPS. Period. They're fucking numbers. If that irritates you, I don't know what to say - I pointed it out because he was pushing this as fact on someone else, if someone wants to just have an opinion that is wrong I don't care, when they start telling OTHER people in a douchey way something that is factually wrong? They're going to get it pointed out.
If I start coming in here and spreading misinformation, please point it out, it happens, but it's pretty damn rare.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That...doesn't invalidate his group having an easier time on the last boss then the second boss, does it? If he says his group has an easier time on the last boss, then that's that. Nothing you will say make them have a harder time on it then the 2nd boss. Your word is not law Yanger.
"That's kinda the point of high level M+. You need the gear.
Also the last boss is easier on tyrannical than the second one"
That's what this was a reference to, he responded to someone ELSE telling them they were wrong. And yes, it invalidates it. Neither of those bosses have some weird mechanic to deal with, they're both purely dps checks.
Whatever, done arguing it - if you want to believe the sky is orange that's all you.
As much as I agree with people having differing opinions, it is just a math problem. 2nd and 3rd bosses both have ramping healing requirements, 3rd boss ramps up faster and requires more burst/overall HPS, while having more HP than the 2nd. If you are having more issues with the 2nd boss, you are just handling the imps poorly or missing interrupts, or have some crazy group comp that cannot kill imps before they start to cast. Otherwise, they are like the same fight with one being more severe than the other. And it was more his first statement people disagree with where he said "Also the last boss is easier on tyrannical than the second one".
Hah, as expected, we are having an easier time this week than we did last week, because of holy pal healer. Did all of our 9 stones already, and easily 2 chested them all, probably could've 3 chested one or two but I was overcautious and had DPS wait ~5 seconds on each pull. Small price to pay for never losing a single mob through 5 dungeons to skittish. But as I said when I saw that image in a reddit thread, I would take Teeming/Skittish/Fortified or Tyrannical plus one additional of Sanguine or Volcanic if it meant never having to do Necrotic again... Necrotic is just so far from fun, even if I handle it perfectly. Oh boy time to run away from the mobs for a while...
Hah, as expected, we are having an easier time this week than we did last week, because of holy pal healer. Did all of our 9 stones already, and easily 2 chested them all, probably could've 3 chested one or two but I was overcautious and had DPS wait ~5 seconds on each pull. Small price to pay for never losing a single mob through 5 dungeons to skittish. But as I said when I saw that image in a reddit thread, I would take Teeming/Skittish/Fortified or Tyrannical plus one additional of Sanguine or Volcanic if it meant never having to do Necrotic again... Necrotic is just so far from fun, even if I handle it perfectly. Oh boy time to run away from the mobs for a while...
Napalm_Frank
Member
Old discussion but if you have problems with 2nd boss with melee you are just stacking wrong, no? The only melee class that should have any legit problems AFAIK is DH since some of the aoe abilities requires for the imps to be moved from their initial spawn flames or you get hit by it.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Evil Tree dead. I tanked >_>
Got some good Cenarius practice in. Also tanking on that cause it's a 3 tank fight.
*sigh*
Got some good Cenarius practice in. Also tanking on that cause it's a 3 tank fight.
*sigh*
I am more scared of that fucking Gauntlet with Fortified. That thing is the bane of our group, we can't reliably get past that without someone dieing, us completly wiping or taking a ton of time. And that's without the Fortified affix.
As for CoS, we haven't been there in a while (probably a few weeks now). Last time we were there was on +6 and even then we wiped on him (but managed to kill him in the end). I am pretty sure our group completly lacks the DPS (not even the HPS) to kill him. We could do a few changes, but that's one boss I definitly don't want to do on +10 with Tyrannical anytime soon.
Where I am at it, as a Frost DK I am still running with the Frostscythe skill because I run more Myth+ than raids. Is that still a good idea? I know my single target DPS is quite a bit higher with that single target build, but overall I think Frostscythe is still the better option for the whole dungeon.
Robin64
Member
So the Kirin Tor emissary popped this morning, and there were apparently zero quests to do for them, despite the emissary only showing it needs 1 to complete now.
But then I spotted one in Suramar, a barrel one, it just doesn't highlight when I pick Kirin Tor, but it does say their name. Completed it, didn't count.
Sigh.
Edit: Okay, you have to log out and back in for it to count. For reasons.
But then I spotted one in Suramar, a barrel one, it just doesn't highlight when I pick Kirin Tor, but it does say their name. Completed it, didn't count.
Sigh.
Edit: Okay, you have to log out and back in for it to count. For reasons.
We do have a BM Hunter and a destro lock as our other DPS (and a DH tank). Maybe I should try the single target build one of these days and see how that goes. xD
Sölf;225835409 said:
Just remember that 'single target' doesn't eman you don't do aoe or cleave. It does SUBSTANTIAL aoe damage still. Like, most of the time when we're doing carries I'm still the top trash damage without frost scythe, only really get beaten when burstier aoe classes are there, frost is sustained like crazy. I mean on a fight like dragons in EN for example it's totally reasonable to sustain 600k dps as 'single target' frost just by cleaving 2-5 adds for most of the encounter. Same thing in dungeons. Give it a try
Can always swap if you don't like it, and it sounds like you're not really trying the attenuation setup even in raids just due to familiarity with Fsc? which it would absolutely help to get used to not having scythe.Just remember that 'single target' doesn't eman you don't do aoe or cleave. It does SUBSTANTIAL aoe damage still. Like, most of the time when we're doing carries I'm still the top trash damage without frost scythe, only really get beaten when burstier aoe classes are there, frost is sustained like crazy. I mean on a fight like dragons in EN for example it's totally reasonable to sustain 600k dps as 'single target' frost just by cleaving 2-5 adds for most of the encounter. Same thing in dungeons. Give it a try
Yeah, I am not doing that in the moment. Main reason is probably just habit, playing the Frostscythe build since launch when it was still the best (even though we now do have a good single target DPS build). I think I only tried it once when we wiped on our first Mythic+10 (Eye of Azshara) and after over an hour wiping on the boss all switched to single target DPS and bought all available potions and flasks and whatever else we could get.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I have no idea what this post means.
OP has Prydaz. I don't necessarily think it's shitty as it's a good sec stat increase for the classes I have it on, but yeah.. it's not necessarily any good overall. 7.1.5 will make it a little better.
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Deleted member 325805
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People who don't advertise their key is depleted should legit come to physical harm IRL.
That's happened to you? Hasn't actually crossed my mind that someone would do that, but I'm not surprised now that I realize it.
Shield proc from the legendary neck Prydaz makes me feel like a light-bulb as it turns on and off by itself and since I now can use it I took notice of a lot of people around me with the proc going on and off, making me feel as if I joined a giant light-bulb club.
By the way, I was doing some World Quest in Suramar and now the upper part of the city is occupied by Kirin Tor guards and outside the main entrance there are Blood Elves. Surprised me because I hadn't noticed this change before.
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Deleted member 325805
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Yep, even posted a smug "Thanks guys now I have a fresh key
" at the end, a complete and utter cunt.Relog.
Robin64
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Suramar has a weekly set of quests explaining all this. They're usually really good, but you do need have to done the original 7.0 Suramar stuff completely to access them.
Got to do with the weekly quests leading up to Nighthold.
Of course, but how are you supposed to know unless the leader links it? I'm not going to ask every single group I join. I haven't even come across that yet, but now I'm definitely thinking twice.
Its up to the group leader to never invite depleted keys. Yea theres a very small chance someone will lie with a fake link but as soon as you see a depleted notification at the start of a run, kick the person and find another key. I run carry groups all the time and never got fooled or tricked into someones bullshit.
They hotfixed Kirin Tor emissaries because not enough WQs were spawning, so now you only need to do 1 until they fix the WQs spawn rate.
Also, you may need to relog after you complete one to get the credit for it.
Yeah but i don't have my quest from yesterday which was for nightfall i think. I should have had 2 emmisary quests to do today instead i have only the kirin tor one so i have lost out on a chest this week it seems.
Yea, I think the issue they were talking about is what if the group leader has the depleted key, and is using people to replete it? Say he has a depleted +5 Maw, lists the group as just a +5 maw and collects 4 other people. Do people ask the leader who posted the group to link their own key? I always make a carry link their key when we run them, but not sure people would join a group and ask the already established leader to link it. I mean, I guess everyone could just leave when he starts it, but didn't affect him at all, and theres always a chance the group doesn't notice the message and clears anyway. Doesn't seem like a super likely scenario overall though.
Also friend just linked me this and it sums up my feelings perfectly
love it. hahaha
Yeah it's not a friendly fight for classes without immunities. Tyrannical isn't well balanced across different instances
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Teeming/Skittish/Fortified Court +11 is probably a nightmare right?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Not really imo, there are much worse.
The mobs in CoS are pretty doable with the exception being the imps. Ypu need stuns/good aoe or they simply will melt you.
Now Arcway fortified+teeming is fun with that one pull that is 90% luck based. 2 seers that cannot be CCd and can easily wipe you if they cast 2x prophesies of doom. Plus there is additional 2 demons there so hope you have at least CC on that. Even with the 2 smaller mobs CCd and bloodlust it might not be enough.
I'll definately take any combo of fortified over tyrannical in CoS unless I know the DPS is on point for last boss. In reverse I take Tyrannical Arcway over Teeming/Fortified anyday.
My emissary on my hunter had disappeared too and I only had the kirin Tor one. Now, after a flight, I have 3 emissary quests out of nowhere.
I hate skittish as a tank, but if you have mostly ranged dps it's prob not too terrible. Melee dps + skittish is totally shit though.