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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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Damn, alright thanks.
I think I finally concocted a mog set for my female belf warrior that I actually like.
I just have a hard time liking most of the existing plate sets on this particular race/gender. Something about the shoulder to helm size ratio/balance just looks awful to me for the majority of sets (and the order hall one just looks downright comical with the humongous helmet).
Female orcs are the undisputed kings of rocking plate armor.
I just have a hard time liking most of the existing plate sets on this particular race/gender. Something about the shoulder to helm size ratio/balance just looks awful to me for the majority of sets (and the order hall one just looks downright comical with the humongous helmet).
Female orcs are the undisputed kings of rocking plate armor.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I'm somewhat curious as the reason why Blizz hasn't turned mega-damage on for Pandaria raids, either.
Yeah, they're soloable (for the most part, mostly on 10 man), but some encounters still are kind of a pain to 'grind down' on 25M or what have you.
The mega damage was only to compensate for the gear crunch, until we have another one there won't be a change.
jaundicejuice
Member
I want two or three of those Paragon mounts but if I hit that 10 Paragon rep achievement and I don't get a single one, I'm done with WQ's. I'm not going to continue to grind the same few quests overandoverandoverandover for a chance that something good might happen. I like older expansions methods better, hit exalted, buy a mount with gold and maybe some end-game currency. Not endlessly grinding rep beyond exalted for a chance something might happen.
Yeah, this system is beyond stupid.
Grinding out WQs for AP is annoying enough and now you want me to do ALL the quests for a chance at mounts? Fucking dumb.
jaundicejuice
Member
They essentially added a raid drop for a mount to rep grinding.
I got really lucky since I got the carpet on my first Nightfallen cache but I've gotten nothing but gold and resources on my other 8.
I opened 6 or 8 caches between 3 characters and I haven't gotten shit.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
For some reason all the buildings are now 100% built on Sargares.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Interesting, had not known (or at least remembered) that. In any case, IIRC blizz said they want to do another squish after Legion is over, so there's that, I guess.
Or, you know, Blizz locking out mounts that have been traditionally associated with reaching exalted reputation, which are now instead just one more cog in the wheel of 'pray RNG smiles on you' that has permeated much of Legion's activities is somehow frustrating for people.
Robin64
Member
They need to, numbers have gotten absolutely ridiculous again.
I agree with that to a degree, but we've seen fewer "+1" type mounts this expansion in general, and do we really need 7 colors of the same mediocre model on every vendor for 50k gold each? They've given us cool mounts from much more interesting methods and at least for the first time they've provided some benefit to continuing to get rep, instead of it just hitting a wall and becoming meaningless. I think generally the idea of mounts and other cosmetics being more RNG based is much more okay than stuff like the russian roulette of getting a legendary. In my opinion these particular mounts should be seen as a nice potential bonus, not something that should be a grind.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Eh....I get the 'bonus option' aspect to the mounts, considering they're new models (from Legion, at least), but at the same time, they're a product of the otherwise 'pointless' Legion grind. I haven't forced it or anything, but I've gotten 5 paragon chests so far, and haven't even gotten order resources out of most of them - just another 600-900 gold and a mediocre AP token out of 3 of the 5
At some point, you feel discouraged from even doing them anymore, but then you still 'need' the resources, to some degree - either to keep the grind going, for alts, or what have you. Some of it's a sunk-cost fallacy on the player's part, sure, but at the same time it's another aspect to the 'just one more try' gambling mentality that's Blizz has doubled down on this xpac to keep people on the hamster wheel - which I personally find at least a little distasteful. Blizz has instituted 'bad luck protection' for some stuff, but mainly just legendaries and artifact skins.
It's a switch from 'Sweet, I put the time in, and now I get a cool cosmetic reward' to 'Well, I hope I get rewarded for all my time investment with something decent this time around, instead of just a pat on the head'.
edit: Funny sidenote, I have enough Legion supplies with missions to get flying unlocked, but since all the buildings are up, I can't use them, lol.
I agree with that sentiment, and maybe it's because I've just reached the point where the grind has no appeal to me that I don't feel the allure or pressure of another RNG item. If it hits, great, I was super excited when my Kirin Tor box chest finally gave me the wisdomball pet a couple days ago, if not, I'm not going to stress over it. I haven't gotten a single one of these bonus chests yet but I know I'll get a few eventually just from the rep from emissary quests and such. I'm much happier they've taken the time to put things like the falcosaur mount chains and Kosumoth in the game instead of the absolute garbage +1 vendor mounts that were so pervasive in WoD. It's a fine line for them to walk; yeah, there's less "farm up this rep get reward" stuff but we've gotten long involved quest lines ending in mounts like the Suramar chain and the upcoming class mounts, and I think in general that's better.
Robin64
Member
Doesn't seem like anyone can complete Contagion Containment on the Broken Shore. Boss mob not spawning.
Edit: After 15 mins of waiting it spawned and the other faction tagged it. gg.
Edit2: Hopped realms til it was Horde crowding the thing, then when it did pop it died INSTANTLY. Luckily I was in a group that got the credit.
Edit: After 15 mins of waiting it spawned and the other faction tagged it. gg.
Edit2: Hopped realms til it was Horde crowding the thing, then when it did pop it died INSTANTLY. Luckily I was in a group that got the credit.
I've really gotta stop gambling my nethershards... Saw someone who got 100k and someone else who got 666k, and I can't resist buying a key whenever I have 2k. But the last 4 chests, 3 of them have been 1 nethershard hah. I'm also doing it partially in case it bugs out when combined with the buff that gives extra nethershards when you loot them, but mostly cause im a gambling addict hah.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I gamble too many Nethershards too. I have a gambling problem in games. Stop giving me opportunities to gamble. Me and my friends played the slot machines in the bar in Borderlands 2 as much as the rest of the game.
My guild has a gambling add-on where people who want in roll 1-25000 and whoever gets the highest gets the difference between the highest and the lowest, so I ended up paying a dude 13,000 gold for no reason. We've all got fuck you money anyway.
Thankfully I can't stand casinos, so I'm safe. Digital gambling though...
My guild has a gambling add-on where people who want in roll 1-25000 and whoever gets the highest gets the difference between the highest and the lowest, so I ended up paying a dude 13,000 gold for no reason. We've all got fuck you money anyway.
Thankfully I can't stand casinos, so I'm safe. Digital gambling though...
jaundicejuice
Member
Exactly this. Earning rep mounts has gone from "you've invested this time, here's a cool thing you can now buy" to "you've invested this time, now you have a chance something cool might drop, eventually, maybe". The latter permeates too much of this expansion and this added layer of RNG to something that simply should not even require it is frustrating.
If you could buy the mounts at Exalted or even Paragon, then I wouldn't give two shits about this or Paragon reps providing additional "bonuses" beyond Exalted.
There's tons and tons of mounts in the game that fall under the description you have here. Probably hundreds at this point. It's not like the game lacks for grind goals. If they had just added all the mounts to the vendor, we'd have all popped out to the vendors, spent the million gold total it would have cost (because at this point I guarantee they'd be 100k each or even more), counted them as +1s and maybe used one or two occasionally because they'd mean nothing and probably all look the same. It's not like rep really means anything in this expansion, just doing the routine things most people do on a regular basis will get you exalted, that's never really happened before. I have a character who is exalted Nightfallen and has never done a single thing for the Suramar chain other than the very first quest. Rep flows everywhere, so they finally gave us a continued use for it. If those chests had nothing in them but gold and resources they'd seem completely pointless. Adding a cosmetic reward gives them the potential to be something interesting. Yes, they've gone too deep towards RNG for this expansion, no one is arguing that. But seriously, this one thing reeks of sour grapes more than anything else. Don't you think I'd like to have an Ulduar rep to get me Mimiron's Head? Or something to compensate me for my over 300 Utgarde Pinnacle runs where I still have no Blue Proto Drake? RNG is a major aspect of mount collecting and it always will be.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Dungeon/Raid mounts are a different beast entirely, so let's not compare them to the 'reputation' mounts of previous xpacs.
And to be honest, I'd be cool with the system if it's documented that there was some 'guaranteed' way of getting them before the xpac ends. Granted, that's a long ways off, but without bad luck protection, there's no way to ensure I might see any of them even running multiple alts. Heck, I'd even take a system something like the current prestige PVP mounts where you need 5 levels of paragon (For example) to bring the cost down to something reasonable, where it 'starts' at 1 million gold or w/e, but goes down 5 or 10% each paragon level you get for that faction.
Thing is, there are so few non-PVP 'guaranteed' mounts this xpac - the Mind slaver, Jellyfish, and Nightbane are all I can think of (with the Class mount arguably being guaranteed for at least one character due to getting a decent boost with the class hall campaign 1500 x 11 weeks).
Everything else, not even including the rare dungeon/raid mounts, is either RNG-based (fox, time lost hippogryph, new paragon mounts, etc..) or locked behind some form of grind (some of them admittedly easier than others, i.e. falcosaurs or Nightfallen Manasaber) - most of them PVP-based (ratstallion, PVP prestige mounts, etc...)
I mean, theoretically, sure, but while this is anecdotal, I know people even outside of this thread who are annoyed that their 4-6 paragon chests haven't given them jack shit for doing multiple days/weeks worth of more dailies.
It's not like we can use the order hall resources for anything significant outside of keeping on the hamster wheel (though the Bloodseeker shoulder enchant is at least pretty decent proc-wise), and the gold gain, while okay, isn't all that significant now with the amount of gold people have amassed.
Pull tabs are 'interesting' too, but more often than not, they're not really designed to let players win.
I think reputations in Legion are inherently different than they were in the past though as far as rewards go. In the past, you had to actively pursue reputations, be it via grinding dungeons, doing daily quests, or grinding mobs. And in most cases, what you were doing to gather the rep didn't award you anything other than that rep, or at least not much aside from it. So it makes sense that MoP or WoD reps give mounts, as you chose to spend time specifically levelling them without much other gain, and you earned the mount. In MoP you got gold and some Charms you easily got from other things from the dailies (after they fixed dumb gear rep requirements), and in WoD not one of the reputations at launch had anything to do with player power. Similarly, in TBC the mount factions had daily quests that awarded only gold, and the mount was the specific and only goal of doing the reps. In fact, in WotLK and Cata, when reps were more passive, most reps didn't have mounts associated with them because it wasn't deserved.
But in Legion, you would eventually get exalted with every rep just by playing the game and gearing normally. Even just doing the emissary a few times a week and doing follower missions, you would be exalted with all right now. Did you really "earn" a mount? You didn't do anything you wouldn't have done otherwise, you just got rep passively for seeking out your upgrades anyway.
I think the rewards should match the activity being done. Just because reps had mounts in the past doesn't mean to me that it should be foregone that every rep in the future also should. Reps in Legion work so differently than they have in the past that I almost feel like buying a mount for 10k gold for exalted with each rep would be undeserved. And if there is one thing in the game that is fine being RNG, it is mount/cosmetic rewards. The entire fun of having a mount is it being rare and you being unique in having it, as soon as a lot of people are riding it, the mount is trash that no one cares about or rides. The rep mounts are much more interesting the way they are than if they were purchasable, and I'm much more likely to ride them if I get one than if I just bought it at exalted. But I guess people like their guaranteed "I do this work and I buy this thing" rewards, and I do see why, I just personally think it doesn't match the effort in these cases (and also makes mounts incredibly uninteresting).
But in Legion, you would eventually get exalted with every rep just by playing the game and gearing normally. Even just doing the emissary a few times a week and doing follower missions, you would be exalted with all right now. Did you really "earn" a mount? You didn't do anything you wouldn't have done otherwise, you just got rep passively for seeking out your upgrades anyway.
I think the rewards should match the activity being done. Just because reps had mounts in the past doesn't mean to me that it should be foregone that every rep in the future also should. Reps in Legion work so differently than they have in the past that I almost feel like buying a mount for 10k gold for exalted with each rep would be undeserved. And if there is one thing in the game that is fine being RNG, it is mount/cosmetic rewards. The entire fun of having a mount is it being rare and you being unique in having it, as soon as a lot of people are riding it, the mount is trash that no one cares about or rides. The rep mounts are much more interesting the way they are than if they were purchasable, and I'm much more likely to ride them if I get one than if I just bought it at exalted. But I guess people like their guaranteed "I do this work and I buy this thing" rewards, and I do see why, I just personally think it doesn't match the effort in these cases (and also makes mounts incredibly uninteresting).
RoninChaos
Member
Anyone defending the layers upon layers upon layers of RNG are missing the point. Too much rng is a discouragement for most people. Some people don't mind but if you look at the feedback for this expansion as a whole, it's that people want less rng but we keep getting more. It's gotten a bit ridiculous.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
They need to adopt the diablo 3 system
Let you get legendaries for any class at an increased drop rate, but bias it to your class.
Honestly, you're making a claim that is purely anecdotal; until we see subs drop off or Blizzard announces information about play time, you're just making an assumption based on complaints, and there's no way of knowing how discouraging it is for "most people." This game is addictive in a clinical sense, rng plays into that. And plenty of people like having chances at things, look at how successful gacha type games are in the mobile world compared to other types. Rng works and it works well. The only consistent complaint about rng this expansion isn't about rng at all, but rather about the tremendously uneven power levels between legendaries. So saying these mounts are somehow a significant factor for people seems pretty unlikely really. I think most people who play this game accept rng as a major factor, and quite honestly, easily attainable goals causes people to feel like they've run out of content, which everyone decided last expansion was the cardinal sim.
Completely agree with all this.
Something is up with Blizzard's dice. I rolled a Relinquished trinket on my Warlock, and he got an 880 Chrono Shard. Fantastic. Then rolled a Relinquished trinket on my Shaman, and he also got an 880 Chrono Shard. Great, but out of everything on the loot table, how did that happen?
Random numbers are random
jaundicejuice
Member
Better late than never but I got my Arcanist's Manasaber and the fifth pillar of creation. I'm also less than 2K Legionfall rep away from flying, so I'll definitely have flying with Tuesday's weekly quest. Guess I'll keep grinding Legionfall rep on my Mage for my magic frisbee but the more lockouts I get each week, the more tempting it is to have at least one alt. Warrior, Rogue, Hunter and Shaman class mounts all look pretty damned sweet.
I've gotten nothing but worthlsss PVP trinkets with versatility. Fucking lame.
______ loot is ______
RumblingRosco
Member
I'm almost level 103 now. I've been using my Champions for missions and have another 1,600 Resources left at the moment. Is there any specific thing I should should be saving my Resources for? Or can I just send Champions out to get XP for me/them and not worry?
You'll need resources for your class hall upgrades through research, and for Artifact Knowledge at 110 to get more artifact power out of artifact power items.
At 110 you'll have world quests to get resources, but having some saved up to get started right away is better, although as you work on your class hall quests you'll also gain some.
RumblingRosco
Member
Thanks, good to know.
n051de
Member
Sounds like you should take a break till you get the itch to hop on again.
zerokoolpsx
Member
I'm 615 rep from flying and there are no more WQ when I checked this morning. I got 400 legionfall supplies just waiting for the Mage Tower. Once another WQ pops up, I'll get it tonight. Not sure I'll go for exalted for the class mount. Just farming legionfall rep was a boring grind. Can't imagine doing this on my alts. Ugh.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
To add to what Lain states, you will want to do the 'bonus objectives' while leveling- they give you ~3-4 quests worth of XP, and also give 200 order resources - just as an FYI, they go away when you hit 110. As long as you don't 'overly' send out your champions during the leveling process, you should have enough order resources for the first few 'class hall traits' to level, and honestly, you can wait until you get a good 'stock' with order resources to do anything past rank 5 and the two legendary equips - if it's your first character, unlocking additional artifact knowledge ranks should be done first.
Once you hit 110, in addition to world quests for order resources, also look for ones with bloods of sargeras as rewards - you can exchange them for 200 order resources per via a vendor in Dalaran. Once you're able, get the Bloodseeker shoulder enchantment from the Wardens (requires revered rep) - this drops from mobs randomly, and includes 2-5 bloods.