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Hearthstone |OT9| Our raid wiped in Icecrown Citadel

fertygo

Member
Why people salty about the freeze shaman stuff.. its just starting and not that far fected of idea

And its good thing its not blatantly brokeback from thr gate

And there is idea space for freeze effect that just not for stalling
 
Freeze Shaman has the same problem as Control Shaman, it has no win condition. You can try to cram Jades in there but you're still just better off making a straight Jade deck.

Until they give Shaman a late game win condition then I don't see how the freeze archetype will work outside of some weird bastardization of a freeze/tempo thing. I have no faith in Blizzard to give Shaman one either as every time they get late game cards they're always just swingy/value cards.

Edit: I mean this is the extent of Shaman's late game repertoire. How does any of it lend itself to a control/freeze play style? Control Shaman archetypes can't do jack in the late game other than exhaust the opponent's resources into fatigue and there are other decks out there that either do it better or are pretty much immune to being exhausted.

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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Freeze synergy does sound potentially fun. Kinda like purify priest, except less card draw dependent since your overstated minion will always be able to attack 2 turns later, and they can go a lot crazier with the synergy cards that target either side of the board since Freeze effects will always be less good independently than silence effects.

It seems absolutely horrible now, but I do hope they add to it in the future.
 
Nobody fucking knows, not even blizzard. They just made a few freeze and freeze synergy cards, without any kind of direction.
It's not such much an unfinished archtype, but more like that it barely even started.
Like Discard, I don't want them to "finish" this archetype. I want them to realize it is bad and move on, like Masochist Warrior and Discardlock.

I've been trying 2 cursed blades instead of win axes in pirate warriors and they aren't terrible (got Rank 4 relatively early in the season), but Pirate Warrior Winrate is gonna go down for sure, and play rate is gonna TANK, which, ironically enough, will make it probably better for grinding as the meta will be a bit greedier in general. Still think Shaman is gonna be the best aggro deck.

Cursed blade is less bad than it appear because:
- against other aggro decks, often the tempo of being able to clear and gain board early is more important than taking double damage (against aggro druid, being able to clear their 1-drop AND play a pirate on T1-coin is significant).
- it's not a 2-drop BUT it may actually be better as a 1-drop for your curve because the only really playable 1-drop in pirates anyway are nzoth and finley. Southsea and patches are terrible without a weapon. Also, blade T1 open T2 corsair without using coin so it actually give you the same amount of playable T2 plays without being a 2-drop itself. Blade T1 into T2 raider is also a really good opening that the deck didn't have before.

Obviously all the negatives still stand, in particular:
- can't clear troggs and northshires. Aggro shaman was already slightly favored vs pirates and will be much more after the FWA nerf. Priest being able to safely T1 northshire is also a big deal with priests being everywhere and like half the meta.



It's gonna be Priest vs the world, brace yourselves... At least rogues will become decent again, i guess.
It's a dead card any time outside of the beginning, and if someone has a Lava Burst or similar in his or her hand you're going to take a ton of damage. I don't think you can run it.

Why people salty about the freeze shaman stuff.. its just starting and not that far fected of idea

And its good thing its not blatantly brokeback from thr gate

And there is idea space for freeze effect that just not for stalling
I don't want it to be a thing. It looks dumb.

Freeze Shaman has the same problem as Control Shaman, it has no win condition. You can try to cram Jades in there but you're still just better off making a straight Jade deck.

Until they give Shaman a late game win condition then I don't see how the freeze archetype will work outside of some weird bastardization of a freeze/tempo thing. I have no faith in Blizzard to give Shaman one either as every time they get late game cards they're always just swingy/value cards.

Edit: I mean this is the extent of Shaman's late game repertoire. How does any of it lend itself to a control/freeze play style? Control Shaman archetypes can't do jack in the late game other than exhaust the opponent's resources into fatigue and there are other decks out there that either do it better or are pretty much immune to being exhausted.
Control Shaman was Wild's top deck through Un'Goro. It has a lot of win conditions, and they are flexible depending on what you are facing. Double Kel'Thuzad is a common one.

Animations take too long.


Animations are a real problem sometimes. I think they need an option to skip animations really badly.
They just need to tune it up. And sometimes you can queue actions up, and others you can't. You should always be able to queue your full turn like you can in Duelyst. When I Brawl, I shouldn't lose access to my hand.
 
Freeze Shaman has the same problem as Control Shaman, it has no win condition. You can try to cram Jades in there but you're still just better off making a straight Jade deck.

Until they give Shaman a late game win condition then I don't see how the freeze archetype will work outside of some weird bastardization of a freeze/tempo thing. I have no faith in Blizzard to give Shaman one either as every time they get late game cards they're always just swingy/value cards.

Edit: I mean this is the extent of Shaman's late game repertoire. How does any of it lend itself to a control/freeze play style? Control Shaman archetypes can't do jack in the late game other than exhaust the opponent's resources into fatigue and there are other decks out there that either do it better or are pretty much immune to being exhausted.

Right now shaman is a class that does too many things too well, if they give them strong win conditions they could easily be that broken class again. And I think blizzard is being very cautious with new cards for them as a result, and why they are getting nerfed despite not having a top tier deck.

They have strong healing, they have strong board presence, they have strong removal/silence and aoe, strong taunts, strong early game minions, and hell even strong late game minions. What they lack in control is a DK that is strong in control decks, which is okay tbh. Because we really don't need another shaman filled meta.
 

Szadek

Member
Like Discard, I don't want them to "finish" this archetype. I want them to realize it is bad and move on, like Masochist Warrior and Discardlock.
Discozoo was alreay a thing, so that can work just fine, but apperently they want a control discard deck, which is just insane.
The support would have to badshit crazy before it's worth taking the risk of discarding your key cards.

At least taunt warrior is (or was?) a thing, but with next to non of the early support cards.
 
DK Rexxar is easily the card I'm having the most fun with this expansion, there's something about dropping a 5/13 Knuckles with taunt that make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

As for the OT title, "Ultimate Infuriation" is my vote.
 

wiibomb

Member
can't believe the nerfs aren't touching Ultimate Infestation

it might be touched in the future, but right now I think the main culprit is innervate and that card is being severely nerfed, significantly delaying UIs turns.

nerfing Innervate nerfs UIs too.
 
Is there any way for someone with Prime to gift these card backs to someone else?

No, but it is easy to use the prime trial, redeem, cancel, and not pay anything.

Also, Amazon UK and Amazon.com are seen as different sites, so you technically have two trails to use if needed - but you will need to link, unlink, link again, with Twitch.

The only thing Twitch checks is the country of residence on the billing account of the amazon account, so use a real card, but use fake address in the country you are trying trying to set things up for - White House / Buckingham Palace ect...
 

wiibomb

Member
check out the quote on the FAQ:
Twitch Prime and Blizzard are teaming up to bring Twitch Prime members a free Golden Classic Card Pack

Is there any way for someone with Prime to gift these card backs to someone else?

there isn't a way anymore, unfortunately, for overwatch and HotS twitch was giving out codes for claiming the rewards, but this time they require to actually link the blizzard account to the twitch account for claiming it.

EDIT: although.. you might want to set a dummy account to claim the rewards now or on november
 
check out the quote on the FAQ:

Golden Classic Card Pack

They used the same wording for the Overwatch Golden Lootbox with a guaranteed Legendary item drop, so I guess we know what to expect now,

I am missing 5 classic Legendary cards:

King Crush
Millhouse Manastorm
Baron Geddon
King Mukla
The Beast

...I am 100% guaranteed to open a Millhouse, I just know it!
 
So if you have Amazon Prime you can keep getting these promotions?
That's what it looks like. There's a similar promotion with HotS as well. Bi-monthly loot chests or something like that. They probably know a lot of people are skirting rewards with the free trial so maybe they're trying to get people to stick around.
 

Beckx

Member
So if you have Amazon Prime you can keep getting these promotions?

yes, as long as you have prime you can drop into twitch, click the little crown icon and check for rewards. i usually have to click through to accept every time, so it does require a bit of awareness that the promos are going on.
 
That's what it looks like. There's a similar promotion with HotS as well. Bi-monthly loot chests or something like that. They probably know a lot of people are skirting rewards with the free trial so maybe they're trying to get people to stick around.

They are enough regional Amazon out there to continue getting stuff for free with trails. It will only really become an issue if the rewards go fully monthly. The Amazon account I got Tyrande on with a trial is already offering me another Prime trial!
 
They are enough regional Amazon out there to continue getting stuff for free with trails. It will only really become an issue if the rewards go fully monthly. The Amazon account I got Tyrande on with a trial is already offering me another Prime trial!
Oh wow, that's pretty great actually. Hopefully there keep being more promotions!
 

Pooya

Member
got the stuff. Also got loot box for hots that I haven't played in a long time now. good deal.

you can always make some dummy amazon account and link them to your battle.net. They don't seem to limit that (yet). So in case you don't have on going prime for October and November you can do that.

You can always disable bnet connection after you redeemed the stuff. I can confirm you keep your stuff.
 

Epix

Member
I don't get the Kazakus card. When I see streamers play it, it looks like it asks you to pick how much mana you want to find a card for, then it shows you 3 cards and after you pick a spell it asks you again, and you only end up with the last spell you picked. wth am i missing?
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
I don't get the Kazakus card. When I see streamers play it, it looks like it asks you to pick how much mana you want to find a card for, then it shows you 3 cards and after you pick a spell it asks you again, and you only end up with the last spell you picked. wth am i missing?

It combines the two effects you picked.
 

QFNS

Unconfirmed Member
I don't get the Kazakus card. When I see streamers play it, it looks like it asks you to pick how much mana you want to find a card for, then it shows you 3 cards and after you pick a spell it asks you again, and you only end up with the last spell you picked. wth am i missing?

You get ALL of the effects you pick. The mana cost just determines how strong the effect is. So the 5 mana spells will resurrect two minions or polymorph 1, or draw 2 card, while the 10 mana spell will Res 3 or Polymorph the whole board, or draw 3 cards.

So you get two effects and the mana cost you choose determines how strong the effects can be. It's a very skillful card because the mana cost and the effects are so varied, that knowing what you need whether more cards, more board presence, removal or whatever makes the card powerful in almost any matchup.
 
Yeah I can see an instance where the other player passes, HP, and then does nothing T3, giving you no clue about what type of deck they have.

It's still a decent option playing on curve.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
Oh that's right. Can't explain that one, then. Rest of the cards in the deck are so boring and standard.

might have seen ice block and got confused because secret mage is the only mage deck that generally runs arcanologist and not ice block
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Does anyone ever choose incorrectly with Glimmerroot?

The very last game I played I missed it coining it out vs a hunter who only played a Kindly Grandmother so far.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/FFPrWFCTN8HHxZqHyhNsoi

Deadly Shot, Tracking, and Multishot. Apparently it was Deadly Shot, even though I'm pretty sure that's wrong in any hunter deck right now. I'm not sure what he's aiming for in with that in this meta when almost everything is going wide. I even like Deadly Shot more than the average Hunter because Hunter is one of the few classes where get more ahead cards are good, just not in this meta.

Tracking is only wrong in a few fast decks that can't spare one mana or the mythical fatigue hunter, but I'm pretty sure there is no deck that runs deadly shot or multishot that shouldn't also run tracking, and he passed turn 1.

Oh well. Missing Glimmerroot because of opponent mistakes just means he'll be easier to beat because of those mistakes, and I did win pretty easily.
 
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