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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004

Mupod

Member
We made a lot of mistakes in Heroic and still cleared it easily. Hell one of our tanks walked off the side during the transition on spiderbird and we beat it.

A little disappointed that my guild won't be touching Mythic EN for a while, but I guess that's just more time to run Mythic+.

Really glad Blizzard said nothing about it being bugged and let loads of people waste their time looking for it. Very thoughtful of them.

The Unholy hidden appearance was broken until they hotfixed it without a word. I'd imagine Frost is the same.

Anyways, hoping for some full patch notes today, or at least some news about tank changes.
 

Moff

Member
thanks a lot for your answer!

Ignited should definitely be 2nd or 1st for damage done.
oh it is my 1st for damage, I just noticed the other mage had a lot more ignite damage than me, and a tiny bit less of pyro and fireball damage, which I thought was odd and made me think I do something wrong

Whats your crit% at?
Whats your rotation%?
Whats your combustion rotation?
my crit is around 52 to 54% I am still gearing up and it varies
my rotation is spamming fireball until I get a flaming up, then fireblast during the next fireball cast
I also have 16% mastery without combustion, which might be too low? I do have it on most items, though

You should definitely be ignite stackinf. When you proc a hotstreak, save it, cast a fireball, and release the pyroblast at the same time as the fireball flies out. Not only does this give you the biggest possible ignite, but it gives you a bigger chance at another hotstreak because I believe there is a
.5 second window where if either your Pyroblast or Fireball were to activatw hotstreak, it wont cancel it out if only 1 crit.
I absolutely do that, whenever I have a fireblast ready, I always cast fireblast when I am casting a fireball to shoot both the fireball and the pyro at the same time. I guess phoenix flames is where I do it wrong

Combustion is a huge part of this. My rotation for a burst is basically this-
Fireball until I get a hotstreak going
Fire blast to fully activate it
Rune of power
Cast another fireball, combustion near the end of cast, release pyroblast at end of cast
Pyroblast again since both FB and PB benefit from combustion
Fire blast
Pyroblast
Phoenix flames
Pyroblast
B) Fireblast(phoenix flames is there to buffer the cd of fireblast if it recharged fast enough, otherwise go to A if there are still seconds left)

A)Flame on
Fireblast
Pyroblast
Fire blast
Pyroblast.

If you have Hero, during B you can keep using Phoenix Flame until 1 fire blast recharges(as to not waste the recharge of it) before flaming on.

Otherwise you dont want to really phoenix during combustion because the Global Cooldown(GCD) it gives(Hero/more haste gives you a smaller GCD).
I feel that's how I do it as well, get it going and then just spam fireblast and pyro until everything is out,with flame on for 2 extra fire blasts. when all the fireblasts are gone I use phoenix to get some more pyros in the window

If you are not in a burn phase, Fireball/Pyroblast is your standard rotation. If you used Rune of Power for Combustion, you can safely cast it twice before your next combustion is up(on average, if using kindling) and it will be up for combustion again.

Crit is your most important stat, to the point where even if an item is 870, of your 825 piece has more crit, crit is valued more than int. Mastery is your second important stat.

Your other mage in the guild probably has his combustion rotation down, since Combustion adds your crit total to stat(so personally I end up having around 50%-60% mastery while combustions up) meaning each pyroblast you cast will do around 120ishk per second from ignite(and if you can properly stack it, sometimes even hire.)

Crit. Most important. Kindling is the best tier 7 talent as well(or is it 6?) as it allows combustion to be up more(most fights up to 3-4 times.)
I have kindling, and I think it got combustion down, I also use rune on cd to the point that I always have one ready for combustion. But maybe I should take a closer look at my combustion rotation, I just try to get as many pyros out as possible with fire blast and some phenixes I am just confused the other mage had so much more ignite damage than me, while his fireball and pyro damage was a bit lower than mine.

For Xavius its a special case, you can combustion twice while in dream and when you get out of dream all your CDs reset. Its also easy to buffer ignite/dps on Xavius after 3rd pbase, so dont look at damage on him as an indicator.
hmm ok, I'll keep that in mind

so far I *think* I am doing everyting like you, which is also what the guides said, I guess one thing I am not 100% sure of is when to use phoenix properly, at the moment I use it when heating up pops up during a global cooldown (like after releasing both a fireball and a pyro)
 

Ark

Member
Man I will not get AoTC =(

Are they removing it when ToV comes out? Or when Nighthold releases?

I'm looking forward to reset this week. We should clear all of HC on Wednesday and then we've got two full days to start working on mythic EN!
 

Tacitus_

Member
Another thing to consider is RNG, as it can swing the numbers pretty heavily. I had 70% crits during Nyth and 90% crits during Ursok and my DPS jumped something like 70k without me doing anything different or swapping any gear.
 

Sarcasm

Member
Are they removing it when ToV comes out? Or when Nighthold releases?

I'm looking forward to reset this week. We should clear all of HC on Wednesday and then we've got two full days to start working on mythic EN!

I finally got it lol!!!!

And been pugging everything. It was my goal. I don't know though, just tried to get it before reset.

(Wish I had a guild to raid raid with).
 

Lanrutcon

Member
If they remove AotC tomorrow then...wtf. How quickly do they want us to burn through their content? Because every other design decision they make is to artificially slow us down or gate content behind bullshit that takes forever or relies on pure RNG.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Actual maintenance tomorrow. I am actually impressed with how few of these there have been since I started playing again.

Well there's a patch launching tomorrow so they have to have some downtime.
 

Teletraan1

Banned
Well there's a patch launching tomorrow so they have to have some downtime.

Yeah but it is a nice change from Blizzard a few years back. They would have 4 hour maintenance for absolutely nothing. Now those changes only require a rolling restart. Even Diablo III was terrible in this regard at launch.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well, Diablo 3 was terrible at everything at launch.
 

TheYanger

Member
Are they removing it when ToV comes out? Or when Nighthold releases?

I'm looking forward to reset this week. We should clear all of HC on Wednesday and then we've got two full days to start working on mythic EN!

I actually was under the impression those achieves would be in until the NEXT tier, IE not nighthold or ToV. That's how it's worked in the past, the first junky raid still counted as part of that tier, but they've been spreading the rleease farther and farther for these initial split tiers so who knows. With ToV in the middle too it also feels like a much more organic curve thing going on, which I'm not sure I like. I enjoy the initial hump of a bunch of new shit and then easing into farm for a while, rather than stopping and starting all the time.
 

Mupod

Member
Actual maintenance tomorrow. I am actually impressed with how few of these there have been since I started playing again.

Back in my day you couldn't schedule raids on Tuesdays because maintenance would sometimes get extended so long. And the server would be boned when it came up anyways.

As an IT guy I'm really curious what went down at Blizzard post-Diablo 3 and especially in the last year or so. Overwatch had a near-perfect launch and all the beta stress tests were smooth. Legion was fine as well. For as much shit as they caught over Diablo 3, it's funny how they get little recognition for stable launches of insanely popular online games.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well I was also implying Diablo 3 was just a shit game at launch. I actually didn't have that much trouble playing in the immediate post-launch period.
 

Tarazet

Member
Considering just how many new systems, abilities, items and instances there are in the new expansion.. it's staggering how clean it all is. It hasn't been bug free, but they aimed high and pretty much hit the target. Alting is pretty rough, but it will become easier and easier just like it does every expansion. The rep grinds required for stuff in Pandaria were retarded before they introduced the BoA rep boosts.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
Considering just how many new systems, abilities, items and instances there are in the new expansion.. it's staggering how clean it all is. It hasn't been bug free, but they aimed high and pretty much hit the target. Alting is pretty rough, but it will become easier and easier just like it does every expansion. The rep grinds required for stuff in Pandaria were retarded before they introduced the BoA rep boosts.

Except for balance, professions, world quests...

I will agree they aimed high though.
 
Considering just how many new systems, abilities, items and instances there are in the new expansion.. it's staggering how clean it all is. It hasn't been bug free, but they aimed high and pretty much hit the target. Alting is pretty rough, but it will become easier and easier just like it does every expansion. The rep grinds required for stuff in Pandaria were retarded before they introduced the BoA rep boosts.

Aside from Suramar and the Order Hall timegates, I've been having a pretty good time with alts. You can gear super easy from M+s and WQs, and I just switch over to another character once I hit a time-gate. It's also nice to get a character to 110 just to keep AK orders rolling.
 
thanks a lot for your answer!


oh it is my 1st for damage, I just noticed the other mage had a lot more ignite damage than me, and a tiny bit less of pyro and fireball damage, which I thought was odd and made me think I do something wrong


my crit is around 52 to 54% I am still gearing up and it varies
my rotation is spamming fireball until I get a flaming up, then fireblast during the next fireball cast
I also have 16% mastery without combustion, which might be too low? I do have it on most items, though


I absolutely do that, whenever I have a fireblast ready, I always cast fireblast when I am casting a fireball to shoot both the fireball and the pyro at the same time. I guess phoenix flames is where I do it wrong


I feel that's how I do it as well, get it going and then just spam fireblast and pyro until everything is out,with flame on for 2 extra fire blasts. when all the fireblasts are gone I use phoenix to get some more pyros in the window


I have kindling, and I think it got combustion down, I also use rune on cd to the point that I always have one ready for combustion. But maybe I should take a closer look at my combustion rotation, I just try to get as many pyros out as possible with fire blast and some phenixes I am just confused the other mage had so much more ignite damage than me, while his fireball and pyro damage was a bit lower than mine.


hmm ok, I'll keep that in mind

so far I *think* I am doing everyting like you, which is also what the guides said, I guess one thing I am not 100% sure of is when to use phoenix properly, at the moment I use it when heating up pops up during a global cooldown (like after releasing both a fireball and a pyro)

Like Tacitus mentioned, it is heavily RNG based with Fire mages.

Sometimes I do 180k dps, sometimes I do 250k dps. If you feel you got everything down, then I would say compare gear with the other mage and see if theres discrepancy there. He might have some BiS compared to you, for example.

Especially if youre using the Xavius fight as a gauge, that fight I could be 6th in dps, and during 3rd phase hit 1st place because of spawning rng lol~

Otherwise if your rotation is similar to what I posted, you are probably fine all things given. He might be favoring mastery for example slightly over crit, but well if youre 1st...keep doing what you do
 

Lomax

Member
Considering just how many new systems, abilities, items and instances there are in the new expansion.. it's staggering how clean it all is. It hasn't been bug free, but they aimed high and pretty much hit the target. Alting is pretty rough, but it will become easier and easier just like it does every expansion. The rep grinds required for stuff in Pandaria were retarded before they introduced the BoA rep boosts.

This has been the buggiest, most broken state I've experienced this game since probably vanilla. I'm glad they are pushing out content, but if we hit a lull then things are going to get ugly fast. You can already see some discontent and it's only been two months.
 

Artanisix

Member
Except for balance, professions, world quests...

I will agree they aimed high though.

do you even enjoy this game, all you ever do is post about how pissed you are

PVE alts aren't bad tbh, i started a druid tank alt two weeks ago because prot warrior feels like shiet now. only artifact lvl 19, but i'm ilvl 871 already without a legendary
 

cdyhybrid

Member
This has been the buggiest, most broken state I've experienced this game since probably vanilla. I'm glad they are pushing out content, but if we hit a lull then things are going to get ugly fast. You can already see some discontent and it's only been two months.
There's always discontent.
 

lazygecko

Member
Looks like the gold inflation is finally taking hold. Token prices have passed 40k. Glad I went on a buying spree early and got my game time covered till September next year.
 

M.D

Member
Looks like the gold inflation is finally taking hold. Token prices have passed 40k. Glad I went on a buying spree early and got my game time covered till September next year.

Pff. I wish they were 40k.

I'm sitting 676k and with EU that won't even last me for a full year. If they were 40k I could paid for a whole year and still have a nice chunk of change.

EU prices are goddamn ridiculous.
 

Lomax

Member
There's always discontent.

That's true, and I actually think it's smart for them to push content instead of balance and bug fixes, people will always complain anyway, content keeps them distracted to a higher degree at least.

Looks like the gold inflation is finally taking hold. Token prices have passed 40k. Glad I went on a buying spree early and got my game time covered till September next year.

I don't think it's gold inflation, it's the same cycle we saw last year, token prices are lower in the summer and then once school starts they head back up again. I'm still annoyed at the 24 month purchase limit, I wanted to stock up when they were at 33k but because I've been paying for my sub with them for over a year now I can't buy any more than I already have for a while and I'm sure by then the prices will probably be a lot higher.
 

Fjordson

Member
Considering just how many new systems, abilities, items and instances there are in the new expansion.. it's staggering how clean it all is. It hasn't been bug free, but they aimed high and pretty much hit the target. Alting is pretty rough, but it will become easier and easier just like it does every expansion. The rep grinds required for stuff in Pandaria were retarded before they introduced the BoA rep boosts.
Yeah, it's been fine for me. Still really enjoying it.

But I haven't really messed with professions at all, so can't speak to the issues with those (sounds like there are a lot).
 

Lanrutcon

Member
do you even enjoy this game, all you ever do is post about how pissed you are

PVE alts aren't bad tbh, i started a druid tank alt two weeks ago because prot warrior feels like shiet now. only artifact lvl 19, but i'm ilvl 871 already without a legendary

I'm so aaaaaaangry. Prot warriors are fine, IP was insane. Stop whining.

Karazhan tomorrow :O

Never thought I'd be excited about Kara in 2016. Makes you wonder what other old haunts they can overhaul.
 

Mupod

Member
Never thought I'd be excited about Kara in 2016. Makes you wonder what other old haunts they can overhaul.

Ulduar is the obvious choice. I only ran it a few times as I came back right before TOC was put in. But it seemed to be a well-liked raid that wasn't around for long before it was dropped in favor of the one with better loot.
I liked TOC better because I hate trash.

Naxx was brought back because not enough players saw it due to logistics of 40 man raiding and simply that it was hard as balls. It also had relevance again in WOTLK. We're coming up on an old god themed expansion so it wouldn't surprise me to see them bring back either Ulduar or AQ. But AQ had its day, and not many fights in there hold up outside of C'Thun.
 

Robin64

Member
Oh fun. The next part of the Illidan questline requires you to get 80 macguffins, which drop from end bosses of dungeons. The higher the difficulty, the more you probably get. Which is fine, but there's a cap of 10 a week. Mmm, gating.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
Oh fun. The next part of the Illidan questline requires you to get 80 macguffins, which drop from end bosses of dungeons. The higher the difficulty, the more you probably get. Which is fine, but there's a cap of 10 a week. Mmm, gating.

Is Khadgar behind it?
 

Artanisix

Member
I'm so aaaaaaangry. Prot warriors are fine, IP was insane. Stop whining.



Never thought I'd be excited about Kara in 2016. Makes you wonder what other old haunts they can overhaul.

i can tell you don't play prot. i never said anything about viability, might wanna learn how to read. spamming devastate into shield slam because revenge isnt even worth a gcd on single target is soooo fun
 

Vengal

Member
I don't understand the point of the Illidan quest chain from the perspective of your character. We only know what we have seen and experience everything else is taken on faith. If a falling god is telling us we have to trust Illidan I guess we just should? We already are putting blind faith into this random object and a near crazy wizard who makes a series of terrible choices.

It just seems like a really shoehorned way to have lore expanded.

Feels abit like if Vader never died and of ghost Yoda made us watch the prequels.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
i can tell you don't play prot. i never said anything about viability, might wanna learn how to read. spamming devastate into shield slam because revenge isnt even worth a gcd on single target is soooo fun

Still whining about prot? Good god, man. Do do you even enjoy this game, all you ever do is post about how much you don't like prot

See what I did there? No, obviously you don't. Carry on.
 

Robin64

Member
halp

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TheYanger

Member
I don't understand the point of the Illidan quest chain from the perspective of your character. We only know what we have seen and experience everything else is taken on faith. If a falling god is telling us we have to trust Illidan I guess we just should? We already are putting blind faith into this random object and a near crazy wizard who makes a series of terrible choices.

It just seems like a really shoehorned way to have lore expanded.

Feels abit like if Vader never died and of ghost Yoda made us watch the prequels.

I mean...it's a Naaru, I think it's a given that we trust them.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
i can tell you don't play prot. i never said anything about viability, might wanna learn how to read. spamming devastate into shield slam because revenge isnt even worth a gcd on single target is soooo fun

^ prot might be viable but it's pretty damn boring after the changes. They weren't elegant in the way they nerfed, and compromised the rotation. With shield slam worth so much rage and revenge worth so little, you feel like you are simply spamming devastate 80% of the time to force shield slam procs.

Quite boring and you combine that with prot's damage being on the lower end of tanks and it just doesn't feel great. Still solid tanks from a balance standpoint though.
 

Mupod

Member
resubbed after 11 years to check things out. what are some must have addons?

Weakauras, but the addon doesn't do a whole lot by itself out of the box. It can do a lot of things, but for me as a returning player it was really important as you can get a profile that tracks your buffs, debuffs, and makes suggestions on what ability to use next.

Fortunately you don't actually have to learn how to use it in order to import someone else's profile. For example in my case I just searched around for a commonly used death knight weakauras setup and used the most popular one I could find. From there you just go to import profile and copy/paste in their string. Took minimal effort but made a dramatic improvement in how well I was playing my class. I still use it because it tracks my runes/debuffs in a very convenient and easy to see way.

From there you also want Bigwigs or Deadly Boss Mods which provide warnings about boss mechanics. Good way to avoid embarrassment in dungeons you've never been to before.

Nothing else is what I'd call essential. A damage meter is always good to have, there's several options.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
how is spring blossoms comparable to germination in any way again, apart from saving mana (which granted, is a big thing, especially in a raid).

just going from the tooltip, its a 17k hot vs a 130k hot. Im not being a know-it-all here in any way, im actually asking / wondering / wanting to learn :)
 

Lomax

Member
If the next set of villains is the Old Gods maybe we'll see a return to AQ :p

Wouldn't mind them having another go at the Egyptian theme. We're getting Norse inspired armor...maybe some Egyptian styles to go along with an AQ revamp? I'd be so down.

Thematically that would be cool but it would basically require a complete overhaul. Drill a hole straight through to the bottom or something.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
hyped for kara and fury buffs 1 more day boys

dat 15% frost dk buff doe, obliterate actually going to feel good to press now
 

thespot84

Member
Deadly Boss Mods
Enemy Grid
Details!

Depending on your class, WeakAuras, I find the default UI over the artifact is OK though DBM timers can block your resource bar.

Weakauras, but the addon doesn't do a whole lot by itself out of the box. It can do a lot of things, but for me as a returning player it was really important as you can get a profile that tracks your buffs, debuffs, and makes suggestions on what ability to use next.

Fortunately you don't actually have to learn how to use it in order to import someone else's profile. For example in my case I just searched around for a commonly used death knight weakauras setup and used the most popular one I could find. From there you just go to import profile and copy/paste in their string. Took minimal effort but made a dramatic improvement in how well I was playing my class. I still use it because it tracks my runes/debuffs in a very convenient and easy to see way.

From there you also want Bigwigs or Deadly Boss Mods which provide warnings about boss mechanics. Good way to avoid embarrassment in dungeons you've never been to before.

Nothing else is what I'd call essential. A damage meter is always good to have, there's several options.

awesome thanks!
 

TheYanger

Member
hyped for kara and fury buffs 1 more day boys

dat 15% frost dk buff doe, obliterate actually going to feel good to press now

Sad for someone like me that is actually playing frost 'correctly' right now though, since obliterate isn't actually worth casting at all right now, so buffing it is a large buff to the wrong playstyle. IE it's probably like a 5% buff in reality.
 
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