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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004

I doubt there's any meaningful fix coming to outlaw in the future. Blizzard has stated that they like RtB functioning the way it currently does, that chasing the elusive 6 buff is what makes the spec exciting and fun. They went on to say they do feel the spec is slightly underperforming with tuning coming, presumably with these small damage buffs of non-Run Through abilities.

Small tuning changes could be fairly meaningful though. I like RtB. I don't want it completely reworked or replaced. I just want improvements (small energy changes could make a big difference in both output and making bad rolling streaks less annoying to push through).

I understand some are just put off by the blatant RNG, and that's fine, but there's lots of us that just want improvements.

Re: blood lust - I think conventional wisdom there is to just push through with whatever buff you have and not reroll during it (unless your buff is going to drop off). For the most part it's better to just take an OK burn phase with a bad buff instead of just ending up with a completely shit one by chasing rerolls. I think, anyway.
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
Daggermaw fishing is going to be more profitable than herbalism.

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ThinFinn

Member
So we were working on Mythic Ursoc and I noticed that the combination of Momentum and Impact usually kills me if I don't use health pots/personals. Thing is I'm unsure if I'll have them up for each single charge, especially the later ones, if I blow em all in the beginning.

Am I missing something here or are hunters that squishy?

Will have vantus runes up next reset so that might help with survivability.
 
Chaos Crystal prices really went to shit huh?

After the change to crafteds to only give Leylights on DE they went for around 1.25k a pop on my server and now they are at 480.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
"Hamstring is now on the global cooldown, and can once again trigger Tactician."

gg arms pvp hardly knew thee
This change is so insanely bad that I just cannot even process it. Why even put work into making these games when they are unwilling to put even the tiniest bit of thought or effort into balancing the game? Why am I even trying to play this piece of garbage?
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I forgot to unload regeants before patch. 22g per foxflower jesus.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
This change is so insanely bad that I just cannot even process it. Why even put work into making these games when they are unwilling to put even the tiniest bit of thought or effort into balancing the game? Why am I even trying to play this piece of garbage?

Yeah it's an absolutely stupid, shortsighted change. The elegant solution was to remove the damage; same effect without completely annihilating warrior pvp and the fluidity of hamstring in everything from casual play to raids to m+ and finally to PVP.
 

Strimei

Member
Just a heads up since I saw some surprise about this elsewhere, you will need to have completed all of the Nightfallen's story that's been released so far in order to do the new questlines in Suramar tomorrow.

In other words, you're going to need to get Good Suramaritan, pretty much.
 

Mothman91

Member
Just a heads up since I saw some surprise about this elsewhere, you will need to have completed all of the Nightfallen's story that's been released so far in order to do the new questlines in Suramar tomorrow.

In other words, you're going to need to get Good Suramaritan, pretty much.

I heard it's like small quests every week until the release of Nighthold, correct?

It's not like a long ass quest line right off the bat.
 

Strimei

Member
I heard it's like small quests every week until the release of Nighthold, correct?

It's not like a long ass quest line right off the bat.

Don't know the length, but yeah its a weekly campaign thing. So you do have time (well you can even do it after Nighthold opens, of course).

Just wanted to warn though, some I'm sure will expect to be able to do new stuff without completing the rest.

(Plus you get a mount at the end so some people probably want to get it done ASAP, even with teh weekly format)
 

Sarcasm

Member
Just a heads up since I saw some surprise about this elsewhere, you will need to have completed all of the Nightfallen's story that's been released so far in order to do the new questlines in Suramar tomorrow.

In other words, you're going to need to get Good Suramaritan, pretty much.

Yes my time has paid off.
 

TheYanger

Member
So as a Unholy DK about to get into EN Mythic, should I be worried about getting benched?

Only if your guild is douchey/stupid OR you're legitimately playing worse than everyone else. Like, DKs aren't in a good place but it's not like they can't compete. Balance is really fucked at the high end, SPs and Ass rogues and shit, but all the plebs that play the normal specs are pretty balanced even if you're on the lower half of that.

The logs don't agree with you. Heroic Nythendra and Ursoc (aka single target fights) are topped by Runic attenuation logs, not frost scythe.

Runic attenuation is the better single target build on live over Frostscythe. Frostscythe is the better build on 4/7 fights and in mythic (with lots of AoE), and is what many people gear for (both builds also have different stat weights). With BiS gear in each respective build (and without), RA is better on ST fights 9/10 times. That's not an opinion.

Anyhow, I don't think our little back n forth is the least bit productive at this stage and we're arguing over if this is a 10% or 15% buff yadiya. It's dumb.

The main point being that frost DK's are getting a massive buff come 7.1, and the biggest buff of any spec in 7.1 (Fury's buff is only a net gain of 5-7%, and the rest of the buffs for various specs are pretty negligible). Along with nerfs to Fire Mage and MM, frost is going to be a pretty damn good spec imo. Now nerf spriests before we gotta see Valor logs of Spriests doing fucking 750k+ on fights, blizzard. It's amazing to me that they've left S2M as is because the other two choices aren't competitive, yet are content to dick Arms' focused rage up the ass despite the same exact scenario - the other two talents aren't remotely competitive.

Heroic logs meaning literally nothing important. If you're saying not to use Mythic because there's literallynot a single 'single target' fight on mythic....HEY YOU'RE RIGHT. The small amount of cleave you gain on those fights on Mythic is inconsequential to the results here though, and more importantly is useful damage. The number of purely single target fights in raids is meaningless, so even if you want to assume parity between RA and FSC, FSC pulls way ahead due to encounter design. Since that's not the case, the best you can do are the mythic versions of those fights, since heroic is not remotely relevant for looking at parses. Even looking at heroic, the top parses are all within a few thousand of each other and MOSt of those are still froscscythe. I guarantee if you put me in a group trying to do heroic (IE a sub 3 minute kill), I would beat every single parse on that board. So you buff the RA spec. Great. Now that's 10% stronger, except you've lost ALL cleave in the process, which still makes it the wrong choice on the majority of fights. Throw in the pillar of frost bracers, which are stronger for FsC than the ob belt is for obliterate, the razorice buff helping Fsc significantly more than Obliterate, and I bet Ob is the better ST choice, but it's barely going to be ahead. These buffs are probably enough to bring Frost ahead of Unholy on single target, and are reasonable given that DKs aren't like TERRIBLE for the reasons I outlined above (low/mid end class balance isn't bad), so it's a welcome buff, but it's not huge and it has VERY real drawbacks (loss of all cleave)
 
Oh boy , I wish blizzard could put a "PVP season will end in X day" I just managed to get half of the victories and know today the pvp season will end tomorrow so I have to do the 100 victories, again
 
I'm totally curious - how many GAFers play US Alliance? Would love to see and add anyone

Oh boy , I wish blizzard could put a "PVP season will end in X day" I just managed to get half of the victories and know today the pvp season will end tomorrow so I have to do the 100 victories, again

They also give 2 weeks notice. This season won't end for a while, either way.
 

th3dude

Member
What's the video?



I doubt there's any meaningful fix coming to outlaw in the future. Blizzard has stated that they like RtB functioning the way it currently does, that chasing the elusive 6 buff is what makes the spec exciting and fun. They went on to say they do feel the spec is slightly underperforming with tuning coming, presumably with these small damage buffs of non-Run Through abilities.

Honestly I have never had a more frustrating experience with this game than I had playing outlaw, burn phases or blood lusts going by with my having to reroll 4-5 times feels absolutely awful. This combined with the nature of the buffs and reroll rules means that some of the time even when you do nail that roll it could be in the form of resource generation during your cooldowns, which is worthless, or damage buffs during your downtime leaving you energy starved and feeling equally bad.

If you can deal with the lows go ahead and play the spec, but I switched to Assassin and haven't regretted it at any level. I feel like I can play the game on my own now with my damage being tied to my ability, rather than playing well and hoping the right buffs line up to do my damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7KgLLYrvdE
 
Oh boy , I wish blizzard could put a "PVP season will end in X day" I just managed to get half of the victories and know today the pvp season will end tomorrow so I have to do the 100 victories, again

? The season isn't ending tomorrow though, they've said it's not multiple times now. I honestly wouldn't even expect it to end until we get Nighthold in January.
 

Renekton

Member
Hmm minor nerfs to resto.

Resto druid was already below average in both PVE and PVP.

Mythic+ healing will be much harder after this patch. Raid healing no difference probably.
 

Strimei

Member
How are you guys grinding out artifact power? Shit is a fucking drag.

I'm letting my artifact knowledge grow a bit and not worrying about it overly much at this point. I just unlocked the third gold trait of my weapon today, in any event. But I'm similar on alts too, just going along and not bothering to focus heavily. Eventually the artifact knowledge will be increase it so much it'll be a lot easier.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
I think the Legendary system is going to put me off this expansion quicker than Warlords. They're so good and so useful that I feel forced to do content that I don't want to do. I used to do a daily heroic despite the reward not being good because it was fun to occasionally hop in and shred the dungeons with higher gear. Now I feel like I should do it because it's a quick queue with some AP and a chance for a legendary from one of the bosses. I used to do dailies when I was in the mood for it now I feel like I have to do them to get the cache to potentially get the legendaries. I liked Withered Training the first time but now I feel like I have to do it ever ytime its up for the potential to get a legendary. Instead of doing mythic dungeons to get valor, I do mythic dungeons to get more keystones to do more Mythic+s indefinitely because I might get a legendary.
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Ashodin

Member
That's a shame Data West, seems like this isn't the game for you any more

It's so relaxing to not even care about legendaries or AP, they built the game to discourage grinding and just "let it happen".
 
Anyone having an issue where uh

Your character will have his sword/weapon out randomly?

I think the Legendary system is going to put me off this expansion quicker than Warlords. They're so good and so useful that I feel forced to do content that I don't want to do. I used to do a daily heroic despite the reward not being good because it was fun to occasionally hop in and shred the dungeons with higher gear. Now I feel like I should do it because it's a quick queue with some AP and a chance for a legendary from one of the bosses. I used to do dailies when I was in the mood for it now I feel like I have to do them to get the cache to potentially get the legendaries. I liked Withered Training the first time but now I feel like I have to do it ever ytime its up for the potential to get a legendary. Instead of doing mythic dungeons to get valor, I do mythic dungeons to get more keystones to do more Mythic+s indefinitely because I might get a legendary.

I feel the opposite. Legendaries aren't really necessary to progress, tbh. They're nice yeah, but I've never felt the urge that I need one in order to compete.
 

Mupod

Member
Aw yeah icebound's back. And slightly more death coil damage. Was kinda hoping for more but hey I'll work with what I got.

My artifact knowledge is high enough I can probably try out Frost again too.

Started trying to put a transmog set together. I dunno which one I like more, all I know is I love that Crypt Lord set. It's also fun trying to find pieces with extra 'geometry' to look bigger and tankier.


Also still no luck with the Unholy hidden artifact.
 

Sarcasm

Member
Just a heads up since I saw some surprise about this elsewhere, you will need to have completed all of the Nightfallen's story that's been released so far in order to do the new questlines in Suramar tomorrow.

In other words, you're going to need to get Good Suramaritan, pretty much.

Coming back to it, not necessarily really need it. As you just need nightfallen rep.


What is more interesting is kara needs an attunement from doing those mythic dungeons locked behind rep.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I feel the opposite. Legendaries aren't really necessary to progress, tbh. They're nice yeah, but I've never felt the urge that I need one in order to compete.
They are like a 15% damage difference for me so...you can say you don't need them or whatever but the absence is pretty obvious.
 

1.09

Low Tier
Some legendaries will make or break your raid spot in terms of your performance and output.

UH dks without the bracer vs with the bracers are night and day.

EDC/Fel boomkins are kings compared to the peasants without them.

Legendaries are huge for progression fam

Sidenote: Starting Il'gynoth Mythic. Any tips/tricks im missing. Thinking 4-4 or 4-1-1-1-1
 

Strimei

Member
Annoying >_> It bugs me personally lol

That's fair though honestly I like being able to finally have my weapon be more than just something that sits on my back.

Coming back to it, not necessarily really need it. As you just need nightfallen rep.


What is more interesting is kara needs an attunement from doing those mythic dungeons locked behind rep.

Ah ok, just rep then? Still lotta time though.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Only if your guild is douchey/stupid OR you're legitimately playing worse than everyone else. Like, DKs aren't in a good place but it's not like they can't compete. Balance is really fucked at the high end, SPs and Ass rogues and shit, but all the plebs that play the normal specs are pretty balanced even if you're on the lower half of that.



Heroic logs meaning literally nothing important. If you're saying not to use Mythic because there's literallynot a single 'single target' fight on mythic....HEY YOU'RE RIGHT. The small amount of cleave you gain on those fights on Mythic is inconsequential to the results here though, and more importantly is useful damage. The number of purely single target fights in raids is meaningless, so even if you want to assume parity between RA and FSC, FSC pulls way ahead due to encounter design. Since that's not the case, the best you can do are the mythic versions of those fights, since heroic is not remotely relevant for looking at parses. Even looking at heroic, the top parses are all within a few thousand of each other and MOSt of those are still froscscythe. I guarantee if you put me in a group trying to do heroic (IE a sub 3 minute kill), I would beat every single parse on that board. So you buff the RA spec. Great. Now that's 10% stronger, except you've lost ALL cleave in the process, which still makes it the wrong choice on the majority of fights. Throw in the pillar of frost bracers, which are stronger for FsC than the ob belt is for obliterate, the razorice buff helping Fsc significantly more than Obliterate, and I bet Ob is the better ST choice, but it's barely going to be ahead. These buffs are probably enough to bring Frost ahead of Unholy on single target, and are reasonable given that DKs aren't like TERRIBLE for the reasons I outlined above (low/mid end class balance isn't bad), so it's a welcome buff, but it's not huge and it has VERY real drawbacks (loss of all cleave)

For 99% of the playerbase, heroic matters MORE than mythic and as such is a better metric, Heroic and M+. If you're doing mythic on the regular, than sure, you can officially claim that frost scythe is absolutely better than runic attenuation for you on every fight in EN. There's a reason why more people care about heroic balancing than mythic, and why the weekly dps charts on reddit are always done in heroic. I'd claim exactly the opposite where heroic logs carry more weight than mythic logs, just look at the sheer number of FDK parses in mythic; especially during the first 2 weeks.

Doesn't take away that tomorrow, Frost DK is getting at LEAST 15% single target damage buff irrespective of your spec today.
 

Tarazet

Member
I spent more time playing Elemental tonight. The buffs are on point - the spec has good AoE, both burst and sustained, but needs improvement on single target, and that's what it's getting. It should be worthwhile to learn the Icefury talent, I think. The major weakness I've seen for Ele vs. Enhance is the ability to target swap, and Icefury is a useful burst tool on a short cooldown.
 
? The season isn't ending tomorrow though, they've said it's not multiple times now. I honestly wouldn't even expect it to end until we get Nighthold in January.

I wouldn't expect it to end until the next tier of raiding. Vindictive Gladiator gear is the same appearance as current tier through Nighthold.

Unless they're going to do shorter seasons and flip the faction colors like they've previously done at the end of expansions, but I doubt that. Season will last until 7.2, most likely.
 
Holy shit, just read the 7.1 buffs for Brewmaster. I felt like after the 5% stagger buff we weren't in a bad place at all and now we get 15% armor boost and ridicilous buff to the brewstache? God daumn.

Brews gonna be sponges when it comes to physical damage. I'm tempted to go fuck with some melee classes in world PVP.
 

biaxident

Member
Well finally got my legendary... on my alt lol. Tanked +3 maw missed timer, but got the shield neck. Was pretty disappointed considering my priest has done like 4 times as much as content, and that leg is considered bad. I'll use it for blood, let down but at least I'm in the legendary club.
 

thespot84

Member
anyone have an issue with the dungeon finder just failing to transport you into the instance? it happens to me all the time, even threw me off a gryphon and killed me.
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