MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
07Scape also updates by itself separate from EoC and its a way smaller game. Blizzard can't even manage to fully complete WoD, how the fuck would they do that for Vanilla servers?
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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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07Scape also updates by itself separate from EoC and its a way smaller game. Blizzard can't even manage to fully complete WoD, how the fuck would they do that for Vanilla servers?
Worth it to hear him try to justify what they did vs me killing them. The "alliance baddie" made me giggle because my main is an Orc Shaman.
Yup, this is the only way I use it. Just to compare two pieces of gear in the same slot.
People need to realize the spec profiles are made by players and can be wrong.
For shadow, simcraft has been bust since the expansion came out, it apparently can't handle surrender to madness and the insane haste and mass hysteria buffs very well.
Gear plays a huge part. Once you get more and more haste, Surrender to Madness becomes exponentially stronger.
Once you can start going over 80-100 stacks consistently you will dominate the chart on any boss aside the tree boss (and even that one you can come out on top with good multi target management).
The biggest challenge is knowing when to use it, cause every extra second you can stay in means a lot more dps, cause it just grows exponentially near the end.
Gaylord Sweetwood
Member
Blizzard doesn't need to worry about updating/adding new vanilla content. At least not anytime soon.
If and when it comes to that, who knows how live will look and even then who is not to say some of the original members wouldn't be interested at trying their hand at a WoW reboot using vanilla. This part is pretty much fantasy, but the fact that Blizzard can have successful legacy servers without new content/QOL is not.
1) Put servers up.
2) Done?
Alright, I know it's not that simple, but they don't need pump new content into it. I'm not suggesting they'll support two MMO's at once.
Two on the left are from farming the rat mount on day one/two.
One on the right is a salty elemental shaman (from the guild who got server first Xavius Mythic) who was teamed up with a balance druid guildy & doing that PvP quest in southern Highmountain. I told him we didn't have to fight, they ignored, died a few times, then whispered me.
Fun times.
I think RuneScape is a bit of a false equivalency though, by the time they added the legacy version it was already what, 2013? And the current version of RuneScape was far from the number one MMO, meaning that most of the people still playing were doing so because of some sense of nostalgia, the only reason they hadn't already moved on to newer games. That is the perfect population for something like legacy servers. As opposed to WoW, which is still technically the "top" MMO, most of the people currently paying for their subscription are not the people who want legacy servers. Also, again, isn't both RS2007 and current RS free? Sure, you CAN pay for them, but the price of free to start brings a lot of people in initially, which is the majority of my point. Again, I contend Nostalrius wouldn't have had 1/20th the population if it was $15 a month. Vanilla is awesome for the price of free, but $15 a month is steep if all you want are vanilla servers.
You are right with many other points, such as sense of community in vanilla. I actually met people back then in dungeons and stuff while levelling, and kept up with them afterwards, it was really nice. Though as someone who played from the day beta came out, I never felt anything about Vanilla was "epic". I hit 60 by AoEing a pack of Dire Maul lashers for the 4,623rd time, pretty far from epic. It definitely did feel like a significant accomplishment though, but as someone who just did Loremaster for the 1-60 content, I think the currently designed 1-60 zones are a hundred times better than release vanilla zones were. To each their own, and we will see if it ever happens. I hope I'm wrong and Blizz releases legacy and people play it, but again my cynicism really makes me feel like having to pay to access these servers will mean they quickly become a ghost town.
Maybe I should've mentioned this but the batch of sims I posted have 26 Artifact levels. This is important for Frost since it includes both Chilled to the Core and Black Icicles, traits almost no one has tested in real situations because:
1) They're either far (Chilled to the Core) or clearly suboptimal (Black Icicles)
2) There aren't many hardcore Frost mage AP grinders, all the progression nerds rolled Fire
The simulation is much more valuable to me than any of those log rankings. A lot of of the dedicated Frost mage theorycrafters have been speculating over how important Chilled to the Core is to our DPS potential and no amount of parses will actually reveal this until players actually get it.
1) They're either far (Chilled to the Core) or clearly suboptimal (Black Icicles)
2) There aren't many hardcore Frost mage AP grinders, all the progression nerds rolled Fire
The simulation is much more valuable to me than any of those log rankings. A lot of of the dedicated Frost mage theorycrafters have been speculating over how important Chilled to the Core is to our DPS potential and no amount of parses will actually reveal this until players actually get it.
That's why I said in the future, when the time is right. When the main game still has 10.1m subscribers, fracturing the playerbase in any way would be a very daft idea. Say WoW has <1m subs in 5 years time, and Blizzard can put up a few servers with minimal effort & charge $10 a month. If it turns a good bit of profit in the short term, even if it's not sustained, it's still worth doing when there's nothing to really lose.
Only thing I can think of that could possibly keep it from happening is if Vanilla doesn't want to play nice on systems by the time it makes sense to put Vanilla servers up. Given how strong WoW seemingly is, we could be talking another decade before they even discuss the idea properly.
Gaylord Sweetwood
Member
Doesn't have to fracture the player base. I don't know why everyone takes this as a fact. Sure, some people will leave live for legacy, but the two games are different enough to attract a different crowd. Instead of WoW having 10.1M subs, they could be looking at 13M.
Legacy servers could also server as a nice retreat for live players during content droughts.
Lanrutcon
Member
1) Put servers up.
2) Done?
Alright, I know it's not that simple, but they don't need pump new content into it. I'm not suggesting they'll support two MMO's at once.
Two on the left are from farming the rat mount on day one/two.
One on the right is a salty elemental shaman (from the guild who got server first Xavius Mythic) who was teamed up with a balance druid guildy & doing that PvP quest in southern Highmountain. I told him we didn't have to fight, they ignored, died a few times, then whispered me.
Fun times.
I get super salty when I get killed in PvP, so I tend to remove myself from those situations because other people shouldn't have to put up with my temper. (I'm also terrible company when playing boardgames)
That being said, those dudes from your screenshots are on a level way beyond me. A cancer threat? sheesh.
You criticize him for post that and then you post logs for overall?
Fury looks pretty strong on your chart but if you check the logs per boss, you'll see Fury is doing piss-poor. According to that, Frost DKs are actually better than Unholy and that's not even remotely true.
NumberThree
Member
And if you want to look at overall then heroic makes a lot more sense since there's actually a good amount of parses for each spec: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10#metric=bossdps&sample=7&difficulty=4
Also vast majority of WoW players, myself included, aren't pushing their classes to the limit anyway. So you don't need to wait for a buff to greatly increase your dps. Learn to use CDs on time, learn which stats are you most important to your spec, set your addons optimally, learn which talents are best for which encounter, etc.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
i would go to this mythic arcway right now as an 861 holy priest if they weren't asking for 850 lol
I was pissed i took the "complete a wq every 3 days" thing in my class hall without realizing how limited it was. Now that the timer's been dropped to 18 hours, I'm pleased because I'm never actually doing that or the squirrel quest again.
Do you have a follower equipped? That was causing random combat bugs for me so I just stopped using followers for that
Just wanted to show the big difference between simcraft overall and actual overall.
Boss by boss, things look different for sure, but still nothing like those simcraft ranks.
Lol I thought I was the only person to do this. It was brutal for me to find groups as DPs for while (dk). It got to the point where I gave up and rolled a tank. This is a pretty big let down.
You can form your own groups if you play a non-optimal class but the difference in damage potential between say a frost mage and a fire mage in 5 man's is just gross.
I have a frost mage I normally run with and in LFR/Heroics he seems OK but once it ramps up to mythic + 4ish I start doing double his overall damage as the tank. I feel bad for him since he isn't a fan of fire but the difference is just too great and trash clearing is more valuable then boss damage lately in mythic +.
It must be a nightmare to try to make every spec at least useful in PvP, raiding, and mythic but it's lame that there is such a huge difference between classes.
I started a bingo board and put all the hard to find specs on there as I setup groups. I've yet to see a survival hunter poor guys.
ColonialHawk
Member
I think you can run it again, but you wont get any loot from the bosses (except Xavius)
Clark W Grizwald
Banned
I'm looking for some help. I boosted my character to 100 and did the opening part of Legion. After the opening I ended up back at Stormwind where I had to hand the scroll to the Kings son. The quest glitched and would not work so I abandoned the quest. How the heck do I get it back? If I open the adventure quide it tells me to go to Draenor
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Man, the nightfallen quest line is superb
Arluin
Arluin
T_T
A tip I have for him is:
Splitting Ice over Frozen Touch
Comet Storm over Thermal Void.
His single target suffers but AoE is much better.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yo whats your armor set
How big of a single target loss is that?
Around 10-12%.
And if he isn't already doing so, he should be trying to remove all Mastery from his gear and focus entirely on Crit/Haste. Versatility is okay too but not ideal. These are the stat weights for single target though I haven't looked to see if they need to be updated.
INT 1
CRIT 0.9
HASTE 0.83
MASTERY 0.57
VERSATILITY 0.79
Acerac
Banned
Why? Obviously 850 isn't needed to clear the dungeon with ease but some people just want a smooth run.
Good luck removing mastery from gear. It's on everything.
How are you doing in mythic+'s dps wise?
When i tank i've started looking at overall damage as my major metric to track how effective people are for speed runs. As frost he's always much lower then me but comet storm may help. I expect efficient dps to atleast be 10-30% higher then me overall.
When i tank i've started looking at overall damage as my major metric to track how effective people are for speed runs. As frost he's always much lower then me but comet storm may help. I expect efficient dps to atleast be 10-30% higher then me overall.
190k-200k on bosses, 230k-240k under Lust, 250k-300k for trash packs between 3-4 targets, going down the longer the fight takes.
Don't get me wrong, your Frost mage friend isn't going to start putting out WW/Havoc numbers but he'll be less of a strain on your clear rate.
Overall damage I'm usually behind melee DPS and similar to other casters, though not the AoE specialists like Affliclock.
Don't get me wrong, your Frost mage friend isn't going to start putting out WW/Havoc numbers but he'll be less of a strain on your clear rate.
Overall damage I'm usually behind melee DPS and similar to other casters, though not the AoE specialists like Affliclock.
I feel that way about unholy, after frost being terrible for awhile and me not wanting to tank i caved and did unholy for about a week. It was a clear dps increase in specific situations but I just didn't like the feel of the spec. Frost buffs came out and at the same time I moved into mythic+ where trash damage is a bigger deal and suddenly i'm not as much of a liability when i'm dpsing.
That said finding groups still sucks so i'm tanking more often then not.
looking to move my main to another server...again. Thought Moon Guard would be a good server, but is not for me. Are there any reliable realm population sites available that are up to date? Im looking for the following if you were wondering
region: US
server type: PVE
raiding: Looking for a server with a lot of raiders, even though I never raided it is nice to have that option
population: I want stormwind/dalaran to be overflowing with ppl
alliance or horde: Looking for a server that has somewhat even ratio for ally/horde might play both
region: US
server type: PVE
raiding: Looking for a server with a lot of raiders, even though I never raided it is nice to have that option
population: I want stormwind/dalaran to be overflowing with ppl
alliance or horde: Looking for a server that has somewhat even ratio for ally/horde might play both