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Korranator
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That's the kind of build I was looking for MrCheez, look great. I'm going to test it out. None of that wimpy back stab stuff, but an in your face Diablo 2 assassin style. 
Great Wasabi Man
Member
me...yay...lvl 36 in Desolace...yawn
Oh yeah ant Toothy the Rogue Killer...lol long story only funny to me.
Korranator said:That's the kind of build I was looking for MrCheez, look great. I'm going to test it out. None of that wimpy back stab stuff, but an in your face Diablo 2 assassin style.
w00t! Good luck and be sure to let me know how it goes
Malakhov said:
So.... being able to do a 5 pt coldblood+evis 1 second into the fight isn't appealing? You still get Prep.
Guess I'll post my assassination build:
My assassin rogue dagger build:
Assassination Tree:
Improved Eviscerate: 3
Malice: 5
Ruthlessness: 3
Relentless: 1
Lethality: 5
Improved Instant Poison: 5
Cold Blood: 1
Seal Fate: 5
Subtlety:
Master of Deception: 5
Camouflage: 2
Opportunity: 5
Improved Ambush: 3
Initiative: 5
Preparation: 1
This build is specialized for PvP, and is to be used for quick take down of your enemy. With Initiative+Sealed Fate (bugged) you are able to gain 3 bubbles off of every sinister strike, and 4 bubbles off of an ambush. Also ambush has been specced in, so it should be your first opening strike. Though it's specialized for PvP, it works great in PvE but you won't be as versitile as the next build I'll post. General things with this build:
Weapon choice: High damage dagger in primary (worry less about dps and speed), High speed dagger in secondary (worry less about dps and damage)
Poisons: All of them mattering what you're fighting. 2 instants if just regular fighting. If you fight players make sure you have atleast one crippling. If you fight a caster have a mind numbing, if you fight a rogue have a deadly poison (though this will take them out of any stun).
Opening: Ambush, use cheap shot only if your opponent won't stand still.
Use your bubbles on: Cold Blood + Evis
Main attacks: Gouge, Backstab, Sinister Strike
Strengths: Caster Types, one on one
Weaknesses: Warriors and Paladins and fighting multiple enemies
"Oh fuck" skills: Blind to buy some time, then preparation to gain back all your abilities. Start the fight up again with vanish->ambush
Malakhov
Banned
See that's the thing with my build, paladins and warriors aren't a weakness. Obviously you won't attack a group of them, but they aren't a problem 1 vs 1.
Then again we're rogues, we chose when and who to kill, that's what is great about this class. Hey if you like you're build, good for you! But I prefer mine by a long shot, I don't even like ambush since you've got to be behind the target and fully stealthed unlike cheap shot where you can hit from anywhere and even if the person sees you and stealth fades you've still got a chance to hit it.
To each his own I guess!
But anyways, my Paladin is level 30 now, almost 31 and I might give up on my rogue and stay with my Paladin until my friends on my server catch me up wich may take a long while.
Then again we're rogues, we chose when and who to kill, that's what is great about this class. Hey if you like you're build, good for you! But I prefer mine by a long shot, I don't even like ambush since you've got to be behind the target and fully stealthed unlike cheap shot where you can hit from anywhere and even if the person sees you and stealth fades you've still got a chance to hit it.
To each his own I guess!
But anyways, my Paladin is level 30 now, almost 31 and I might give up on my rogue and stay with my Paladin until my friends on my server catch me up wich may take a long while.
it is goddamn ridiculous how fucking hard it is to attack the vast majority of alliance towns (and by the vast majority, I mean all but like 2 of them), especially after the bullshit I saw last night. About 10 or so alliance levels 55-60 just waltzed into the undercity and had no problems with guard spawns. I've raided darnassus and stormwind enough to know that alliance towns are so stacked against raids it's just plain unfair. There are several major advantages alliance towns get for defenses:
1) Several of them only have one entrance, causing bottlenecks for raids.
2) Their NPCs are put much closer together and are generally a lot more numerous than the horde towns. This means they call for far more guards whereas you can go into places like Crossroads and kill single NPCs without upsetting anyone else for the most part.
3) Alliance NPCs call for guards nonstop until they are killed. This is no joke - any NPC that isn't a guard will call in 3-4 guards at the very least, and if you're lucky, killing 1-2 of them will make them spawn in more. This leads to ridiculous guard trains that alliance towns create.
On the other hand, most horde towns are open, poorly defended by NPCs, and have multiple exits. It's not uncommon at all to see one person on their mount run through crossroads and take all the guards that spawn (which generally is maybe 10 at most), leaving the rest of the town open for easy pickings. And let's not forget that all of the undead towns are so easy for all the paladins out there to destroy (guards there should be humanoids since undead players are humanoids).
Blizzard really needs to look at this because I'm getting really fucking tired of 2-3 level 60 players being able to destroy anything in crossroads, splintertree post and so on, while 10 horde players of the same level get trained by 20 guards at the very least when they step onto the edge of southshore, astranaar or any alliance town except nijel's point. I'm not making this shit up, and it's just plain ridiculous. If horde guards are going to be so slow to spawn in, Blizzard should make them elite and leave the alliance guards normal (20 normal mobs at level 50 is tough enough for 5 level 60s even using aoe, and I frequently see 2-3 horde guards attacking alliance players at the most, though I have very rarely seen the 10 guard trains mentioned previously).
I guess this wouldn't piss me off so much if Blizzard had actually focused more of their development on the horde and would ignore alliance for awhile since they're already polished as hell and don't need any more attention. oh, and I hit level 54 on my warlock just now and his dps shot way up. got my last ranks of drain life (85 dps/hps with talents for 300 mana), corruption (about 81 or so damage/3 seconds for 27 seconds... not bad, more damage/tick than immolate so I can use it as my main group DOT again) and drain mana (136 mana dps for I think 310 mana... a profit if it goes the full length but I wish it actually took more mana and drained a lot more so it would be significant to use in pvp or against elites). also got my last rank of hellfire which is 208 pbaoe dps (both to myself and to mobs), so that's pretty awesome even for the damage I take. Still probably going to respec to destruction heavy at level 60 - the +10% fire damage talent seems way better than shadow mastery from affliction for overall dps, and most of affliction is just garbage now.
1) Several of them only have one entrance, causing bottlenecks for raids.
2) Their NPCs are put much closer together and are generally a lot more numerous than the horde towns. This means they call for far more guards whereas you can go into places like Crossroads and kill single NPCs without upsetting anyone else for the most part.
3) Alliance NPCs call for guards nonstop until they are killed. This is no joke - any NPC that isn't a guard will call in 3-4 guards at the very least, and if you're lucky, killing 1-2 of them will make them spawn in more. This leads to ridiculous guard trains that alliance towns create.
On the other hand, most horde towns are open, poorly defended by NPCs, and have multiple exits. It's not uncommon at all to see one person on their mount run through crossroads and take all the guards that spawn (which generally is maybe 10 at most), leaving the rest of the town open for easy pickings. And let's not forget that all of the undead towns are so easy for all the paladins out there to destroy (guards there should be humanoids since undead players are humanoids).
Blizzard really needs to look at this because I'm getting really fucking tired of 2-3 level 60 players being able to destroy anything in crossroads, splintertree post and so on, while 10 horde players of the same level get trained by 20 guards at the very least when they step onto the edge of southshore, astranaar or any alliance town except nijel's point. I'm not making this shit up, and it's just plain ridiculous. If horde guards are going to be so slow to spawn in, Blizzard should make them elite and leave the alliance guards normal (20 normal mobs at level 50 is tough enough for 5 level 60s even using aoe, and I frequently see 2-3 horde guards attacking alliance players at the most, though I have very rarely seen the 10 guard trains mentioned previously).
I guess this wouldn't piss me off so much if Blizzard had actually focused more of their development on the horde and would ignore alliance for awhile since they're already polished as hell and don't need any more attention. oh, and I hit level 54 on my warlock just now and his dps shot way up. got my last ranks of drain life (85 dps/hps with talents for 300 mana), corruption (about 81 or so damage/3 seconds for 27 seconds... not bad, more damage/tick than immolate so I can use it as my main group DOT again) and drain mana (136 mana dps for I think 310 mana... a profit if it goes the full length but I wish it actually took more mana and drained a lot more so it would be significant to use in pvp or against elites). also got my last rank of hellfire which is 208 pbaoe dps (both to myself and to mobs), so that's pretty awesome even for the damage I take. Still probably going to respec to destruction heavy at level 60 - the +10% fire damage talent seems way better than shadow mastery from affliction for overall dps, and most of affliction is just garbage now.
Great Wasabi Man
Member
odd sounds like what has happened on my server with Goldshire (out in the open), Asenvale(constantly since it's also out in the open), Auberdine(from the shore, the dock, over the mountains), Mythral Harbor(from the shore all around the town and the docks) , that town in Darkwood(or something like that). Horde has even gotten far into Iron Forge, Storm Wind and Darnassis.
I see lvl 50 - 60's wiping out Ashenvale all the time, and even tonight a lvl 60 rogue was killing anyone and everyone waiting for a boat in Mythral Harbor...this too isn't uncommon to see.
Go Fig...
Anyway I love when groups fall aparts it's kinda funny...just now I was doing a Grim task. We had a mage who expected the pali to rez him even when everyone else ran to thier corpse and he was in the middle of a bunch of mobs, a rogue who had so much lag they just appeared everywhere, and one other person who was too low to do any damage to a 34 eliet mob. I was getting no xp and was just helping some lower players out.
So we finally get Belgras and we get jumped...I swear My pet, the rogue and myself killed Belgras...I saw his body but couldn't loot it, then he appeard running at me from behind at full health. Anywho. The second time I started pulling the mobs around him, Then the pally said "Pull him now you can probally get him alone."
Ugh that really didn't work, then the name calling started..
"Oh real smart pull him while I'm dead" The mage waiting for a rez even after the pali told him he should run to his corpse like the rest of us.
"Who said to pull him?"
"I didn't" - the pally (actually he did)
I wasn't paying attention at this point cause I was too busy trying to kill Belgras...he killed me :lol Then all I see is "your an idot" "No your stupid" "Shut up"... :lol
I see lvl 50 - 60's wiping out Ashenvale all the time, and even tonight a lvl 60 rogue was killing anyone and everyone waiting for a boat in Mythral Harbor...this too isn't uncommon to see.
Go Fig...
Anyway I love when groups fall aparts it's kinda funny...just now I was doing a Grim task. We had a mage who expected the pali to rez him even when everyone else ran to thier corpse and he was in the middle of a bunch of mobs, a rogue who had so much lag they just appeared everywhere, and one other person who was too low to do any damage to a 34 eliet mob. I was getting no xp and was just helping some lower players out.
So we finally get Belgras and we get jumped...I swear My pet, the rogue and myself killed Belgras...I saw his body but couldn't loot it, then he appeard running at me from behind at full health. Anywho. The second time I started pulling the mobs around him, Then the pally said "Pull him now you can probally get him alone."
Ugh that really didn't work, then the name calling started..
"Oh real smart pull him while I'm dead" The mage waiting for a rez even after the pali told him he should run to his corpse like the rest of us.
"Who said to pull him?"
"I didn't" - the pally (actually he did)
I wasn't paying attention at this point cause I was too busy trying to kill Belgras...he killed me :lol Then all I see is "your an idot" "No your stupid" "Shut up"... :lol
goldshire: attack any npc and at least 3 level 55 guards spawn. given that most NPCs are majorly jammed together there's nothing you can do to stop it.
menethil: sorry, I'm calling bullshit on this as I've attacked it plenty before. never have I had less than 15 guards spawned when you get into the main town. it's hardly open when the only land route is a front gate.
astranaar: slightly comparable to every horde town in the game, but still spawns waves upon waves of guards, far more than any horde town except maybe the newbie ones (though I see Brill get attacked constantly on my server).
auberdine: this and nijel's point are like the only alliance towns I've attacked that don't flood you with guards (too much). NPCs aren't nearly as jammed together here as they are in every other alliance town.
dolanaar: like all newbie alliance towns, setting foot in this area spawns shitloads of level 55 guards in waves of 4-5 at the least. it also has a level 60 ancient of war patrolling around, something no other town has.
it's the same for the other alliance towns I've attacked. that's not what's wrong, though. what's wrong is that while it would take 10-15 horde players to raid a town if it was just fighting NPCs, all it takes for the alliance is 2-3 players, or for some towns like the sepulcher, just a lone paladin. horde guards spawn in so infrequently it's very easy to attack a town with 2-3 players for all but capitals and the rare town or two like hammerfall (where the town is actually set up well for its defenses). from what I can see, to change it so the spawning is less of an issue would require the towns themselves to be redesigned and NPCs moved around. given that this has been an issue for a long time, I doubt it's ever going to happen. so I think instead they should just make horde guards elite, at least for the time being. unless there's some spawn setting they can just change with a server restart, it seems fairer.
menethil: sorry, I'm calling bullshit on this as I've attacked it plenty before. never have I had less than 15 guards spawned when you get into the main town. it's hardly open when the only land route is a front gate.
astranaar: slightly comparable to every horde town in the game, but still spawns waves upon waves of guards, far more than any horde town except maybe the newbie ones (though I see Brill get attacked constantly on my server).
auberdine: this and nijel's point are like the only alliance towns I've attacked that don't flood you with guards (too much). NPCs aren't nearly as jammed together here as they are in every other alliance town.
dolanaar: like all newbie alliance towns, setting foot in this area spawns shitloads of level 55 guards in waves of 4-5 at the least. it also has a level 60 ancient of war patrolling around, something no other town has.
it's the same for the other alliance towns I've attacked. that's not what's wrong, though. what's wrong is that while it would take 10-15 horde players to raid a town if it was just fighting NPCs, all it takes for the alliance is 2-3 players, or for some towns like the sepulcher, just a lone paladin. horde guards spawn in so infrequently it's very easy to attack a town with 2-3 players for all but capitals and the rare town or two like hammerfall (where the town is actually set up well for its defenses). from what I can see, to change it so the spawning is less of an issue would require the towns themselves to be redesigned and NPCs moved around. given that this has been an issue for a long time, I doubt it's ever going to happen. so I think instead they should just make horde guards elite, at least for the time being. unless there's some spawn setting they can just change with a server restart, it seems fairer.
Hey.. look who I found
This could probably be considered a huge spoiler, so I'll link to the pics instead of posting them directly. It's an important and hidden alliance character.
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131115/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131116/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131117/159009
This could probably be considered a huge spoiler, so I'll link to the pics instead of posting them directly. It's an important and hidden alliance character.
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131115/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131116/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131117/159009
MrCheez said:Hey.. look who I found
This could probably be considered a huge spoiler, so I'll link to the pics instead of posting them directly. It's an important and hidden alliance character.
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131115/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131116/159009
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/3131117/159009
Yeah, hes been found several times before by others. Obviously they will put new quests in involving him later.
RonaldoSan
Member
I hate ganking. Last night I was running around in the nothern part of Stranglethorn Vale. My lvl33 paladin is kicking the shit out of some lvl35 mystic troll. Out of the left side of my screen a lvl38 tauran warlock pops up and he stands there for a couple of seconds. I'm thinking that maybe he won't do anything... The whole day the horde had been somewhat nice. Anyways the 5-lvls-stronger-guy starts swinging at me. I just had time to take care of the troll and heal. So I stun him, heal again and starts swinging... I get him good, but I have to heal a couple of times and so does he. I end up dead with him being to swings away from it. So I go take a piss, wait 5 minutes and then I run back for the corpse. I see the same guy fighting trolls just a couple of feet behind my corpse. So I hide between a wall and hit resurrect. I heal, bless and seal and then attack him with stun. I get him real good. He was 3 or 4 swings from dead. The stun wears off and he suddenly does a 180 and runs towards this huge mob. Killing himself. I guess suicide by troll was better than me killing him.
Anyways... All the hordes on my lvl always leave me alone. The higher ones always wants to kill me.
World of Warcraft is the new crack cocaine!
Anyways... All the hordes on my lvl always leave me alone. The higher ones always wants to kill me.
World of Warcraft is the new crack cocaine!
Some Koreans beat the final boss of WoW, Onyxia, last night. It took 40 of them using their lvl 60 beta characters.
Here it is in English.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=1075694&P=6
I heard that she drops her panties. No, seriously, she drops epic (purple) items.
Here it is in English.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=1075694&P=6
I heard that she drops her panties. No, seriously, she drops epic (purple) items.
Malakhov
Banned
dave is ok
aztek is ok
If you're not an engineer, you should become one. I got the eyepiece that adds +35 STAManaByte said:
Great Wasabi Man
Member
firex said:
Well if your gonna go bargn in the front door instead of swimming from where the murlocs camp to the back of Mythral of course your gonna get swamed with guards...you don't expect them to just sit there. It's been done before, I've seen and defended against raids in Auberdine that came from Mythral off the boats in waves. Last night a singel rogue was killing people as the got on and off the boats in mythral harbor, kill a few people..jumped into the water stealthed sunck back on the doc...repeat.
I've also seen 2 Horde take out Goldshire, killed the guards and most of the quest givers that were outside, got bored and went on to storm wind where eventually high enough players came to kill them.
I've seen 1 high level Taurn warrior take over Ashenvale for abut an hour. I watched him attack the guards with no problem and he didn't get mobbed. I've also seen 1 undead mage running around Nejil Point un bothered by guards just messing with people.
It's cause much like me you are Uber-Uber!! I too as so feared that only lvl 60 horde would dare attack me only when I'm dazed, fighting 2 mobs, half dead and a pre-occupied pet....:lol
Heh, of course it's the koreans who kill her first.
... but at least they were Horde
http://image.playforum.net:8080/gallery/echo/10152016/20/onykill.jpg
... but at least they were Horde
http://image.playforum.net:8080/gallery/echo/10152016/20/onykill.jpg
ManaByte
Member
MrCheez said:Heh, of course it's the koreans who kill her first.
... but at least they were Horde
http://image.playforum.net:8080/gallery/echo/10152016/20/onykill.jpg
That's what happens when you don't P-wipe before launch
If US players got to keep their beta characters she would've died here first.
Malakhov
Banned
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=1082702&P=1
Two changes in this patch that affect me now. About time they fixed that pet bug. I can't count how many times I've had mobs stolen from me that my pet was already attacking because of it. Really sucked having some ass attack the mob, claim it, then run off leaving it attacking my pet and forcing me to deal with it giving the guy exp.
The change to Blackcrow is going to really suck if they lower the DPS. I'm hoping it was just a bug that was giving it more than the listed 35DPS, but I doubt it.
Two changes in this patch that affect me now. About time they fixed that pet bug. I can't count how many times I've had mobs stolen from me that my pet was already attacking because of it. Really sucked having some ass attack the mob, claim it, then run off leaving it attacking my pet and forcing me to deal with it giving the guy exp.
The change to Blackcrow is going to really suck if they lower the DPS. I'm hoping it was just a bug that was giving it more than the listed 35DPS, but I doubt it.
Korranator
Member
Doesn't bother this pally. They should be aware of the crusader> Judgement > command combo which gives you better overall damage anyway. Those who are crying simply don't know how to play their characters.
Outdoor Miner
Member
Wow, there was a huge warrior protest staged on Argent Dawn/Alliance. Protesters created Lvl 1 Gnome warriors and have been lagging out the Eastern Kimgdom server all night. GM's were warning them all night to disperse, now they take the server down.
As if this protest is going to accomplish anything other than to ruin other peoples experience for the night. The idea of 200 gimps chanting in unison did provide me a solid laugh though.
As if this protest is going to accomplish anything other than to ruin other peoples experience for the night. The idea of 200 gimps chanting in unison did provide me a solid laugh though.
Malakhov said:
That's the whole point of a paladin......
And besides, it's a bug fix, not a nerf. It's just like the duel wielding prof. talent bug. Originally it would give your offhand more dps than your primary if you invested in it... but afterlast patch they fixed it. I didn't bitch, why... cause it was never meant to be that way.
Kintaro said:
It can't.... A 5 group raid in a small town can easily lag the server down really really bad (due to constant spawning of guards, players that come to help, ect), we even crashed the continent doing it. I made a thread awhile ago about this (though that raid was MUCh bigger) and everyone fucking blew it off.... but it's a serious problem
Here's the thread I made long ago
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=28557&highlight=blizzard
Malakhov
Banned
Not when they can't hold agro no it's not. You're almost forced to go intro retribution for consecration to be able to get a hold of quick agro wich is sad. How good of a tank if you can't put up the dps to hold agro either? Big part of the problem coming from the high end paladins out there and I'm starting to see it at level 31. Now I'll be forced to go intro retribution and give up protection to get SoCom since crusader was nerfed.Ferrio said:
Oh puh-leeze, call it whatever you like but it's a nerf, just like the first aid nerf. They have better bugs to fix than to take off some dps from a poor dps class as it is.Ferrio said:
Crusader is now shite, only the judgement of is it decent. No way I'd use a seal just for some more attack power when there is better other seals.
krypt0nian
Banned
I <3 Blizzard....
Alex
Member
Sorry, Mala. But it's silly to burn your talent points on Retribution to get a emulated AOE voke. A badly one at that, it's just lazy if anything.
I've duo'd with a Protection Paladin for 51 levels on my Rogue, and I promise there's no way a Retribution one could out tank him. I've seen him pull hate off of Warriors a few levels higher, heh.
Hate management is also team work, which sadly few people in WoW understand, one proper feint at the start of a fight can typically keep a mob off me even if I roll a lot of crits, Eviscerate included. Although, I've seen Rogues open with everything they've got, then close with everything they've got, it's just sad, reminds me of that guy long ago who used Flare on Shiva in FFXI, she Waltzed up to him, used Diamond Dust, and wiped me (WHM) the BRD and himself. Groan...
Ten energy isn't much to keep the EXP and progress output higher. Plus, you need to be often cycling buffs on members with high hate output. Don't be one of those who sticks Might on a Rogue and just leaves it under all circumstances.
Barring solo, Crusader sucked to begin with.
I've duo'd with a Protection Paladin for 51 levels on my Rogue, and I promise there's no way a Retribution one could out tank him. I've seen him pull hate off of Warriors a few levels higher, heh.
Hate management is also team work, which sadly few people in WoW understand, one proper feint at the start of a fight can typically keep a mob off me even if I roll a lot of crits, Eviscerate included. Although, I've seen Rogues open with everything they've got, then close with everything they've got, it's just sad, reminds me of that guy long ago who used Flare on Shiva in FFXI, she Waltzed up to him, used Diamond Dust, and wiped me (WHM) the BRD and himself. Groan...
Ten energy isn't much to keep the EXP and progress output higher. Plus, you need to be often cycling buffs on members with high hate output. Don't be one of those who sticks Might on a Rogue and just leaves it under all circumstances.
Barring solo, Crusader sucked to begin with.
Alex, how does a Paladin maintain agro on multiple mobs without consecration when a mage is busy nuking them?
As someone who plays a Paladin, its already getting difficult at lvl 42 to do so - and i use Blessing of Salvation on all other party members.
As far as Crusader goes, Monk was right - it was broken. I spent this morning testing alternate tactics and came to the conclusion that it won't make a huge difference when the fix goes in if you play it smart (though it will be more mana intensive).
As someone who plays a Paladin, its already getting difficult at lvl 42 to do so - and i use Blessing of Salvation on all other party members.
As far as Crusader goes, Monk was right - it was broken. I spent this morning testing alternate tactics and came to the conclusion that it won't make a huge difference when the fix goes in if you play it smart (though it will be more mana intensive).
RonaldoSan
Member
When Blizzard changes a class they should give that specific class a free talent change. I don't have 5 gold right now to fix my paladin.
Great Wasabi Man
Member
ummm they should go back and fix it again cause its still fucked.
A couple of bugs I'm kinda annoyed they didn't fix...
Kodo Round up missions is still broken, Aspect of the Hawk bug, and being enough distance from a mob to hit them with an arrow but too far out of range to get exp for the kill?!
Alex
Member
You don't. Paladin isn't built to hold enmity versus those kinds of situations, and at least at my stage I've never seen one successfully pull something off with consecration unless it was an add or the such.
The spell is just too weak, and eats too much mana to be worth spending a tree worth of points on, IMO. I guess it really depends how you play though, but that's how it's worked out for us. From my view, it's mostly been a lazy mans claim tool, whereas I've seen the Paladin I duo with claim the main enemy off me, and get base hate from two adds within seconds.
To be honest though, we don't party with Mages enough, so I'm kinda stumped on a lot of what to say.
Warrior, Paladin, Rogue, Hunter, Priest seems to have been our typical party.
The spell is just too weak, and eats too much mana to be worth spending a tree worth of points on, IMO. I guess it really depends how you play though, but that's how it's worked out for us. From my view, it's mostly been a lazy mans claim tool, whereas I've seen the Paladin I duo with claim the main enemy off me, and get base hate from two adds within seconds.
To be honest though, we don't party with Mages enough, so I'm kinda stumped on a lot of what to say.
Warrior, Paladin, Rogue, Hunter, Priest seems to have been our typical party.
Malakhov
Banned
Alex: You NEED consecration at higher levels as an AoE taunt, it's the only way to get one hence why it's sad that the skill is in the Retribution line, they should've of at least put something comparable in the protection line. I do agree with you that a protection build will outtank a retribution build, there's no doubt about it. At level 32 I already have 3000 armor and I can fight against mobs 4 levels higher than me and get out of there with barely a scratch sometimes though it takes me an eternity to kill them so it's not really good for grinding, just for questing.
Anyways, I might have to move a point somewhere from my build to get SofCommand, I was going into retribution for some parry anyways.
Anyways, I might have to move a point somewhere from my build to get SofCommand, I was going into retribution for some parry anyways.
Great Wasabi Man said:
The patch isn't actually out till Tuesday.
Consecration is simply one the best, if not the best, way for a Paladin to Tank properly at higher levels.
Retribution Aura + Consecration + Seal of Fury + Blessing of Salvation on other party members means that a Pally can hold agro on multiple mobs.
Without Consecration, the Pally can hold one mob, but has trouble with the others.
Edit: Holy Shield actually does a decent job, but isn't quit enough.
Alex
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Well, at 51. I can't say I agree, hehe. We tried working with it in Instance groups, and wound up having him respec again.
It didn't have the potency, especially with the mana cost, to really be worth it, and with the ammount of Warriors in our guild, having the Paladin be a very efficent sub tank/support was working out better for us, especially with the quality of tanking you can get from a Protection based Paladin.
It didn't have the potency, especially with the mana cost, to really be worth it, and with the ammount of Warriors in our guild, having the Paladin be a very efficent sub tank/support was working out better for us, especially with the quality of tanking you can get from a Protection based Paladin.
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