SiegfriedFM
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I'll probably keep my warrior for tanking since it can be really fun, but I'm making my paladin specifically for soloing awesome stuff. There's no way most classes can do that.
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Warriors are weak now though, probably the worst tanks at the moment.Deputy Moonman said:
Paladins on the other hand, holy crap. Ardent Defender is just too good =D And all the possibilities when it comes to soloing, ardent defender, cooldowns, lay on hands. Prot paladin are just too good. They are probably the best choice if you want to have a tank
Warriors and DK's are probably the most fun tanks I've played with, lots of cd's, rotations, and procs to play with. Paladins are the most OP at the moment though. Plus, if you get bored with instantly being picked as a tank, you can instantly get picked up for being a Holydin tank healing and buffing away. Plus, you have a lot of options in PVP as well (Holy, Ret, Prot-Ret, Prot-Holy).
They're the most versatile class in the game, that's actually good at everything it's doing, plus I'm sure they'll still be good come Cata considering they have to add in some new talents and such in the trees.
They're the most versatile class in the game, that's actually good at everything it's doing, plus I'm sure they'll still be good come Cata considering they have to add in some new talents and such in the trees.
CassSept said:
Warriors weak? Worst tanks?
No. You probably only been playing with shitty warrior tanks. It's just a class that requires more skill than a paladin, so the regular "noob" WoW player usually suck at playing the class and just go with the "OP" paladin. I've seen too many prot warriors who don't use Vigilance, who doesn't even have Revenge in their top 3 attacks, and so on. I can solo stuff just fine with my warrior. I did all the group quests in Icecrown for the achievement by myself since getting a group there is almost impossible.
I can't really comment on warrior tanking because my warrior is still 79, but it's not been much harder than my paladin. I use more buttons, but that's a good thing. I'm probably going to play this instead of my paladin in cataclysm because paladins right now have like, nothing cool in cataclysm. But if they get an awesome talent revamp, then I guess I can play my paladin instead.
firex said:
Personally, I hope Prot will get some tweaks to make it more interesting... but Blizzard loves to crush Paladin Hope, so probably not. :lol
1. Having Holy Shock no longer makes Avenger's Shield quite so valuable, since it was implemented in a time when Paladins had no pulls or ranged taunts. Since they now have both, the value of Avenger's Shield may just drop enough that it may appear very early in the Protection Tree, making it something Holy might grab to pump up their solo/DPS ability. The reason is simple; it requires a shield, so it won't be appealing to Ret Paladins except as a macro-heavy trick or opener.
2. Blessing of Sanctuary is now a passive, and it's probably going to get rolled into the new talent system so that all Prot-spec paladins automatically receive its benefits. So that's an active ability they have to replace.
3. Nobody knows what the Protection Spec-defining ability is yet; people are saying Holy Shield, Avenger's Shield, or even Hammer of the Righteous. It doesn't matter which is picked though, because making any of those three the Level 10 ability means there's another gap in the tree that needs an active ability, so that's two new active abilities they'll need to implement.
So basically, Tankadins in Cataclysm will utilize Crusader Strike and Holy Shock, plus they're all but guaranteed to be getting two new active abilities in their tree.
It's not HotR. They already said that. It might be Avenger's Shield, but I think it will be Holy Shield. Maybe not though... Holy Shield might be like the new 11 point talent or something. I think at this point people will be getting their 11 point talents at level 30 or so, so I don't know if it's better to give them a survivability tool early or an aggro/pulling tool early.
But it sounds like people get way more than just two passives when they put their first talent point in at level 10, so I think they will get spiritual attunement and sanctuary at the same time. Plus BoK in cataclysm = gift of the wild, so I can see why they did away with it as a buff.
I expect Holy paladins to get a heal at level 10 just because that's the easiest way to give them that slow, efficient heal they want all healers to have, without making it a talent they wouldn't get until like level 30 or something.
But it sounds like people get way more than just two passives when they put their first talent point in at level 10, so I think they will get spiritual attunement and sanctuary at the same time. Plus BoK in cataclysm = gift of the wild, so I can see why they did away with it as a buff.
I expect Holy paladins to get a heal at level 10 just because that's the easiest way to give them that slow, efficient heal they want all healers to have, without making it a talent they wouldn't get until like level 30 or something.
Deputy Moonman
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I have an 80 Warlock, an 80 Warrior, both in decent gear, and then I have a 30 Shaman. I'd really like to have a Paladin, but I don't want to have to level another toon from 1-80 again. I despise leveling. I was hoping Blizz would allow gnome paladins for the expansion, but nope. So there is no reason for me to not just start leveling a paladin right now.
Manus
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So I leveled a Shaman my first time playing and didn't really like playing a Shaman so I quit for a while and just now got back into WoW. I'm rolling a Warlock and loving everything. My toon so far.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightninghoof&cn=Sheegoth
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightninghoof&cn=Sheegoth
firex said:
Yeah, considering that the easiest way to kill things early on is to whack them with your heirloom staff, there's problems with the class. Even still, I got mine up to 73 now, and it's VT, MB, SW
, maybe a mindflay, but then it's just wanding. The class needs to be redone, despite that at end game they do a damn good bit of damage in PVE and PVP.
DarkAngelYuna said:
Not sure if serious, but you know that Ensidia (worlds best guild) is European?
Also, Blizzard only helds tournaments yearly where you can win money. They don't give the players a monthly salary or something.
Anyways, I stopped playing WoW. I'm not pleased with Blizzard's actions now it's been taken over by some MBA parasites.
Ummm not really, Paragon is now hands down the best guild in the world. Too bad they are finnish only.Griffin said:
The only guild that killed LK on 5% buff, which many thought to be impossible.
In Halion top10 there are 5 european guilds and 4 US guilds, even though in Europe Halion was released one day later and the servers were unplayable until after 7pm
I'm not even mentioning that first US guild to kill LK was 9th in the world...
Seriously, when it comes to PvE USA is way behind Europe.
CassSept said:Ummm not really, Paragon is now hands down the best guild in the world. Too bad they are finnish only.
The only guild that killed LK on 5% buff, which many thought to be impossible.
In Halion top10 there are 5 european guilds and 4 US guilds, even though in Europe Halion was released one day later and the servers were unplayable until after 7pm
I'm not even mentioning that first US guild to kill LK was 9th in the world...
Seriously, when it comes to PvE USA is way behind Europe.
As a member of a finnish only guild I love to post this gif whenever I can
no I'm not in Paragon
funkmastergeneral
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Who gives a shit about this stuff. So what that there are more mouth breathing, neck beard wearing nerds in Europe with too much time on their hands?
The Lamonster
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I am unable to queue for Heroic Halls of Reflection because my gear isn't good enough. My gear is mostly purples and some blues. I read somewhere that they are including the gear in your bags and in the bank when rating if you're good enough. Is that true because that is just plain retarded.
funkmastergeneral
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The Lamonster said:
No one really knows what goes into the internal lockouts made by Blizzard, but it's not difficult to be allowed to queue for H HoR. If you still have blues, you shouldn't be there. It's ilevel 232 content.
It's just based on the level of your gear. You could have purples being lvl200 gear, they definitely won't help you.
Make sure you have all your T9 (just chain heroics) and that the rest of your gear is mostly 232 (226 maybe). You can have one or two lvl200/213 pieces, but most of it has to be 232 minimum.
It's understandable given how the instance requires every one to be able to either DPS correctly or heal/resist.
Make sure you have all your T9 (just chain heroics) and that the rest of your gear is mostly 232 (226 maybe). You can have one or two lvl200/213 pieces, but most of it has to be 232 minimum.
It's understandable given how the instance requires every one to be able to either DPS correctly or heal/resist.
The Lamonster
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Okay, sounds like I'm not quite ready to defeat the Lich King. I will keep running random heroics until I've got everything over lvl 200.
So, haven't seen this mentioned yet, but...
I'm thinking these new sockets are either an Engineering item similar to the blacksmithing belt buckle, or they're something baked into high level Engineering items (like guns, helms, etc.).
I'm glad I was planning to go Engineering with my Goblin Hunter, it sounds like they're actually getting something cool that isn't a just a toy.
I'm thinking these new sockets are either an Engineering item similar to the blacksmithing belt buckle, or they're something baked into high level Engineering items (like guns, helms, etc.).
I'm glad I was planning to go Engineering with my Goblin Hunter, it sounds like they're actually getting something cool that isn't a just a toy.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
We take our video games less seriously than Euros.CassSept said:Ummm not really, Paragon is now hands down the best guild in the world. Too bad they are finnish only.
The only guild that killed LK on 5% buff, which many thought to be impossible.
In Halion top10 there are 5 european guilds and 4 US guilds, even though in Europe Halion was released one day later and the servers were unplayable until after 7pm
I'm not even mentioning that first US guild to kill LK was 9th in the world...
Seriously, when it comes to PvE USA is way behind Europe.
No seriously, who fucking cares.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If Avenger's Shield was anywhere remotely accessible, it's a borderline OP talent for PvP because it works as both a gap closer AND an interrupt. I can't see them allowing Retribution to take it.Retro said:
CassSept said:
Well, they stole most of my gold, but apparently they farmed 70 eternal fires and ~1000 relics of ulduar. It made up for what they took. Blizzard suspended the account before they could sell all of it.
I'm gonna go and see about the ToC crafts, might be worth it, thanks.
Seeds said:
I've been getting tons of phishing emails lately. One of the links I inspected was actually "www.us-battlenet-lolgotu.com or something to that effect.
Usually the poor English was a dead give away, but I believe they probably gave some kid from the states 5000g to make up letters that are actually close to what Blizzard sends out.
Deputy Moonman
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Yeah, it's alway funny to see the name of the person sending you a pm or letter. The last one I got was from someone named Blizzarzd, like that's going to fool anyone into thinking they're a blizzard employee.
The Lamonster
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Me too, just yesterday. It was from kyewlkerjh or something, and wanted me to go to a site something like www.usbattlenet.com. I reported it as spam.firex said:
Speaking of this... every week, i check my junkmail box to see all the crap that is there, and usually there is 6 different emails warning me to log on their website to secure my WoW & Aion accounts because they are expiring or been caught exploiting.
The funniest part is that i never played Aion in my life.
The funniest part is that i never played Aion in my life.
The Lamonster
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What kinds of important e-mails do you get from Blizzard? The only e-mail I ever got from them was an invite for the StarCraft II beta.jersoc said:
The Lamonster said:
My blizzcon stuff went to spam. My ticket went to spam. It's not often, but it's a pain because the ticket email sat for almost a week until I checked my spam out of the blue.
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lus the added benefit that you know the emails you are getting are legit. would probably cut way down on the phishing scams.
The Lamonster
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Ah, okay. Never really dabbled in that stuff myself. I'm a casual dude.Bisnic said:
So mmo-champion has a small Engineering preview up. Looks pretty good, which leads me to believe that the cataclysm belt enchants will wind up inferior because of belt buckles, and every other profession is going to be amazing since all they get otherwise is good scopes and new goggles. Though with a name like "kill-shades," I really hope they wind up looking like some Duke Nukem style sunglasses. And I hope they're upgradeable, along with whatever guns/bows they add.
Also they get their own sockets and gems, even if they aren't called gems (cogwheels and hydraulic pumps) so I guess they get to socket some gear or something. The gems are pretty nice. The only one that affects a base stat is a spirit gem, while the rest are all ratings. It's basically an extra 132 to tank/dps/healer/caster ratings for red/blue sockets, but called something else to be engineer exclusive.
Also they get their own sockets and gems, even if they aren't called gems (cogwheels and hydraulic pumps) so I guess they get to socket some gear or something. The gems are pretty nice. The only one that affects a base stat is a spirit gem, while the rest are all ratings. It's basically an extra 132 to tank/dps/healer/caster ratings for red/blue sockets, but called something else to be engineer exclusive.
Hopefully the new engineering helms, like, "Killshades" are mirrored aviator style sunglasses. They'd ooze the coolness like they do in real life. Hopefully all the lesser armors than plate all look like Kanye West's fav sunglasses. Except the Rogue model, that should be like the ones Horatio "Caine" (not Laine lol) wears.
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