Would You Consider The ''Horizon'' Franchise A System Seller?

Do you consider ''Horizon'' Series a system seller?

  • Yeah

    Votes: 112 28.1%

  • No

    Votes: 286 71.9%
  • Total voters
    398
The game that sold more than 20 million copies, despite being a new IP and launching alongside Zelda Breath of the Wild?

Yes.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
I think if you're waiting for your third game to be genuinely great, theres an issue.
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Issue with what? Horizon Zero Dawn was awesome, Forbidden West was really good.

To me a system seller is an Uncharted, TLOU, a God of War, a Zelda or Halo back in the day. Horizon isn't at that level but almost no game is.
 
Yes for me.
I would have gotten the PS5 anyway, but Horizon was one of the reasons and it was one of the few games I got close to launch for full price. And I also enjoyed the 2nd part, despite it was pre-graphic patch and it did not look that impressive in 60fps as it looks now.
And I ordered the Horizon bundle for PSVR2 and can't wait to see and play it. In the mean time I also ordered some other games like that star wars thingie, GT7, Kajak...
I hope there will be free/cheap PSVR2 upgrades for some of the PSVR games Sony gave out for PS+ (or for free because of Corona? Don't remember), which I could not use until now. I think Thumper can be upgraded for 5 Euro, so why not? And one zombie game gets a free upgrade. So I guess I will have a great time :messenger_beaming:
 
It's the one game I was most excited to see at the initial PS5 showcase and FW didn't disappoint. It would be the first game I'd get for PSVR2 and the multiplayer game could get me back into that aspect.
 
Demon's Souls, having missed the original I was chomping at the bit to play the remake. Alas, I had to wait forever and a day to actually procure a ps5, but it was that game that sold me the system for sure.
 
I've bought the first one on pc for like 15 euro's a year back and haven't been bothered to play it yet. It doesn't have the appeal of a game like GOW or Naughty dogs games.
 
Definitely, it may not be the greatest game of all time but by fuck Forbidden West is an absolute eyeball melt, a proper next gen looking game that had an incredibly detailed open world that put every linear level type game to shame, the combat was class, story so so but compelling enough imo but it was the world they built, the sheer diversity in biomes and enemies and that awe that came with each new quest taking you to new sights.. the very definition of a system seller imo, all whilst being a cross gen game ffs! Can't wait to see what they do with the expansion.

As for Call of the Mountain, yes, it's the graphics again on that one that's forced my hand and made me purchase a PSVR2, more so than GT7 or Resi8 (which I'm also looking forward to playing) but out of all them it's Horizon's world and Dino's that I want to be immersed in, if the 2D game was jaw dropping I can't imagine what this one will be like being in the actual world.

With every new console I've owned I've always wanted a game that just blew away the competition visually to confirm my purchase and set me up for the years to come, for the PS4 it was another GG game.
 
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Many people who are just slightly into gaming know "game with robot dinosaurs". Anyone knowing basically only that probably thinks it sounds cool. That alone probably has sold a ton of copies and consoles.
That's possibly one of the best pitches of last gen. Only one better was probably presenting zooming in NMS which did not really impress me, but it was "you see that mountain you can go there" 2.0 in a universe scale.
Such things sell, on kind of simple kind of huge promises.
 
God of War for sure. Horizon? Not so much...it isn't near the popular as GoW and the game doesn't break any gameplay or story boundaries, just graphical stuff.
 
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I think it's in the category of being popular to the user base but not popular enough to bring in any new people.
 
No. In fact there are only a few, very few, system sellers for me. I buy Playstation for Naughty Dog's games and God of War, for example. Those are my system sellers. Zelda is my system seller for Nintendo, nothing else. If I owned all Nintendo consoles is for Zelda.

Personally, even if I have a Series X, Microsoft doesn't have any system seller for me. I could not have their consoles and it will not bother me, but I love the quick resume function and how Dolby Vision HDR looks in my oled.
 
Horizon defines the line of mediocrity of all open world games. If your open world game is worse than it, so it's mediocre. If it's better, it's GOTY material.
 
MadchesterManc said:
Not for me personally. A new Killzone from Guerrilla would have been
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It's wild to think that 20-something years later, I think GG might be good enough to make Killzone the 'Halo Killer' the press originally touted it to be.


For HFW, I definitely think it's a system-seller for the graphics alone. Agreed though, the gameplay/characters are still mid-tier.
 
Yes absolutely. It's not the best game but the hype for forbidden west absolutely sold consoles
 
StueyDuck said:
these are just moving the goal posts, now it's

"was it a system seller at launch"

then you will get stats that will prove that wrong then it will be

"was it a system seller at launch and had a console pack in"

if we keep moving the goalposts then sure of course it doesn't fit into the 50 caveats needed in order to fit your own unique version of a system seller.

20 million people bought the game on PS4, again the idea of a "system seller" is an archaic one because most humans by consoles today for many games or even for gamepass, not because a singular title exists.

and the asterisk for AC will always exist. because it didn't release outside of a global pandemic where everyone was locked in, you can't just ignore that fact, that's just silly.
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No, if a system experiences a surge in unit sales around the release of the title, that's is called a system seller....like breh it's not hard.

Damn near 1+1=2 levels of comprehension.

If the idea of a system seller seems archaic, it's only because the list of them is very short and the air around them is rarefied.

Just because a game hits an impressive bullet point in terms of units sold doesn't necessarily make it a system seller.

Mario Party outsold Horizon yet I wouldn't call it a system seller. Would you?

And again, you haven't addressed my question about AC at all.

In 2020 there was tons of releases, from Persona Strikers to FF7 Remake to Paper Mario:Origami King.

Yet AC gets the asterisk?

Do you think FF7 Re sold more because of the pandemic? Persona Strikers? Paper Mario?
How about Marvel's Avengers?

All 2020 releases in the middle of a pandemic.

Let me guess though...

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Nah breh, this is called selective reasoning.

*Please let me turn off the stove, I'm tired of cooking and it looks like you're done*
 
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Oof85 said:
No, if a system experiences a surge in unit sales around the release of the title, that's is called a system seller....like breh it's not hard.

Damn near 1+1=2 levels of comprehension.

If the idea of a system seller seems archaic, it's only because the list of them is very short and the air around them is rarefied.

Just because a game hits an impressive bullet point in terms of units sold doesn't necessarily make it a system seller.

Mario Party outsold Horizon yet I wouldn't call it a system seller. Would you?

And again, you haven't addressed my question about AC at all.

In 2020 there was tons of releases, from Persona Strikers to FF7 Remake to Paper Mario:Origami King.

Yet AC gets the asterisk?

Do you think FF7 Re sold more because of the pandemic? Persona Strikers? Paper Mario?
How about Marvel's Avengers?

All 2020 releases in the middle of a pandemic.

Let me guess though...

oh-that-was-different-injured.gif


Nah breh, this is called selective reasoning.

*Please let me turn off the stove, I'm tired of cooking and it looks like you're done*
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it's like you are 12 years old and are too stubborn to move on.

the idea of system sellers is archaic and old. maybe to a 12 year old, you buy a console because of one game, or mommy and daddy does rather.

but to most adults with disposable income they buy consoles based on ALL the games they are going to play and or not play. Has anyone on here genuinely bought a PS5 or XSX just to play one game?

AC was the right game at the right time nothing more and nothing less, without covid AC would not have sold as well, fuck i even bought that game and it resulted in about 10 hours of game time and will never buy another one ever again.

pretending the pandemic didn't help that games sales is just borderline moronic. there's 100+ "Cozy" AC clones that have released since, plus star dew valley prior (which in regards to life sim farm games was a resounding success) and those games have not and will not reach the same level of sales as AC did nor will it's Sequel, unless you wanna create another pandemic where everyone is stuck in doors and literally living off social media which told them to buy AC.

i can't believe you just named games that released in 2020 as if that proves some sort of point.

fine from now on we'll just pretend the pandemic never existed and there was never any issue at all, and we never had chip shortages, or backlogged shipping, or a serious issue with inflation now. things that surround a game doesn't impact sales according to "Guy who uses internet"
 
StueyDuck said:
AC was the right game at the right time nothing more and nothing less, without covid AC would not have sold as well, fuck i even bought that game and it resulted in about 10 hours of game time and will never buy another one ever again.

pretending the pandemic didn't help that games sales is just borderline moronic. there's 100+ "Cozy" AC clones that have released since, plus star dew valley prior (which in regards to life sim farm games was a resounding success) and those games have not and will not reach the same level of sales as AC did nor will it's Sequel, unless you wanna create another pandemic where everyone is stuck in doors and literally living off social media which told them to buy AC.

i can't believe you just named games that released in 2020 as if that proves some sort of point.
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All i asked you was why does AC get the asterisk as if it went through the pandemic alone?

Would FF7 Re have sold as well if it didn't launch in a pandemic? Y/N

And regardless of your incessant caterwhauling, you've danced around this point like Justin Timberlake did the Nipple-gate backlash.

And for the record, Nintendo's recent fortunes have been built on system sellers.
Botw, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Splatoon.

So yeah, the stoves still on and the meat now looks like leather.
 
Yes.

It is what finally got me to jump on to PS4 (I was waiting for it to come out, along with the PS4 Pro) and it is the first game I bought and played on my PS5 once I got it.

I personally love the series and find it great!
 
Absolutely not, the only reason I have Horizon Zero Dawn is because Sony gave it away for free at one point.

I've had a PS5 for nearly a year and never even thought of buying Forbidden West, but I will play it now that is available for "free" included with my PS+ Extra subscription.
 
Not for me... I enjoyed the first one, the second one was painful, the settlements and npc's are just so fkn obnoxious. If you're gonna attempt to be racially diverse hell yah I'm all for it... but get some voice actors that match the character in terms of culture... they all had voices that sounded like dave chapelle doing a his white news anchor impersonation and it literally nuked the immersion for me. :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
Banjo64 said:
Metroid is a much bigger franchise than Horizon for the medium.
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Is fucking isn't. What metroid sold close to horizon?

Creating arbitrary category to fit metroid. It's niche as it can come.

diffusionx said:
Eh, 10 million as of 2019 two years after release so I guess they did ok on pc and $10 PSN deals.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/28/horizon-zero-dawn-passes-10-million-copies-sold
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The copium horizon brings to this forum is beatiful. And I love see you scramble for excuse.

I can name a dozen of games that sold for a £5 didn't brake the 5mil
 
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The fact they are making a mmo around the game kind of proves it is as well.

People don't have to like it, but it seems to be true. I

I'm actually excited for that mmo now that I think about it… assuming the art style changes a bit
 
SLB1904 said:
Is fucking isn't. What metroid sold close to horizon?

Creating arbitrary category to fit metroid. It's niche as it can come.




The copium horizon brings to this forum is beatiful. And I love see you scramble for excuse.

I can name a dozen of games that sold for a £5 didn't brake the 5mil
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For the medium, I'm not talking about sales. Metroid helped to inspire an entire genre. Horizon is a very polished but entirely unremarkable game.
 
Banjo64 said:
For the medium, I'm not talking about sales. Metroid helped to inspire an entire genre. Horizon is a very polished but entirely unremarkable game.
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Unremarkable in what sense?
Sales check
Metacritic.com check
Popularity check
Goty awards and nominations.


I'm what sense. Other than all year you and some downplaying the game sales and Popularity. Attributing to bundles (no one wants it) and all that bullshit

Just to end up in top top 10 worldwide competing with multiplat games outselling games that claim to sell 5mil copies in a month dying light 2.

Suddenly everyone shut the fuck up

Even my man deckard gave up after months waiting for it to drop of the charts 😆 🤣 😂
 
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SLB1904 said:
Unremarkable in what sense?
Sales check
Metacritic.com check
Popularity check
Goty awards and nominations.


I'm what sense. Other than all year you and some downplaying the game sales and Popularity. Attributing to bundles (no one wants it) and all that bullshit

Just to end up in top top 10 worldwide competing with multiplat games outselling games that claim to sell 5mil copies in a month dying light 2.

Suddenly everyone shut the fuck up

Even my man deckard gave up after months waiting for it to drop of the charts 😆 🤣 😂
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Calm down lol.
 
SLB1904 said:
Unremarkable in what sense?
Sales check
Metacritic.com check
Popularity check
Goty awards and nominations.


I'm what sense. Other than all year you and some downplaying the game sales and Popularity. Attributing to bundles (no one wants it) and all that bullshit

Just to end up in top top 10 worldwide competing with multiplat games outselling games that claim to sell 5mil copies in a month dying light 2.

Suddenly everyone shut the fuck up

Even my man deckard gave up after months waiting for it to drop of the charts 😆 🤣 😂
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Game is boring with poorly developed gameplay mechanics check
 
No

But that doesn't really matter as long as PS5 has other system sellers. It's what I call a "value add". It's not what brings you into the ecosystem but its what keeps you around once you're there.
 
No I haven't played Horizon but tge impressions I've gathered are it's a perfectly serviceable pretty open world game but isn't anything mind blowing.
 
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Zero Dawn - Yes, especially if you like open world games and/or masterful storytelling. It has next gen(8th gen) written all over it.

Forbidden West - Nope. It isn't even exclusive to next gen(assuming you mean system seller for PS5), doesn't feel remotely next gen and the game itself is lackluster and stagnant compared to Zero Dawn.
 
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Honestly, for me, there hasn't been a system seller this gen on console yet. But the Horizon games would be low on the list of games - many of them very good games - that aren't that very special something more.

avin
 
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Owned a PS4 from launch day, never played it and I love open world style action adventure games.

I always thought it looked like style over substance.
 
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