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[captmcblack]

Well, yeah, thats a whole different issue that I posted in the girl-age thread but got no response to. What social situations? I'm 19 and not interested in a fake ID, so bars and clubs are out. I never get invited to parties. The social "events" that my school holds are no place to look for a girl who's on her own, as literally everyone except me, guys included, travels to those things in circles of five or six friends that are impossible to break into. The clubs that I'm interested don't attract a lot of girls....how can I meet people?

In the cafeteria/commons.

In the student lounge/center.

Sitting reading a book somewhere in some common area for chilling.

In the school bookstore.

In line at the bursar/registrar.

Anytime you are in a common situation with a female you want to talk to, there is your "social situation" to try talking in. Do it enough, get that lady friend and bring her to those other social events that your school holds and talk to more ladies.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Well, yeah, thats a whole different issue that I posted in the girl-age thread but got no response to. What social situations? I'm 19 and not interested in a fake ID, so bars and clubs are out. I never get invited to parties. The social "events" that my school holds are no place to look for a girl who's on her own, as literally everyone except me, guys included, travels to those things in circles of five or six friends that are impossible to break into. The clubs that I'm interested don't attract a lot of girls....how can I meet people?

- Go to band night at your local coffee shop.

- If you're even a bit religious, go to a church function.

- Go to speed dating events in your area.

- Join some co-ed intramural sports activities. Ultimate frisbee is a good one.

- Join some clubs that interest you.

There are tons of possibilities.

Social connections require effort. For some people, it seems effortless, but it really requires a lot of effort for most of us.

 

[Esch]

I think you need to have a relationship period before you can have a "meaningful" one. "Meaningful relationship" coming from someone with little experience is codeword for major insecurity and I'd bet money whatever they find won't be healthy longterm, probably marred with jealousy and unreasonable expectations.

Absolutely true. Just judging from the OP i think he just needs to hook up with a couple girls, go on a couple dates, maybe have a couple month relationship before he gets to the stage he claims to want, but I'm just responding to shanadeus' post.

I think vic had some good things to say btw.

Well, yeah, thats a whole different issue that I posted in the girl-age thread but got no response to. What social situations? I'm 19 and not interested in a fake ID, so bars and clubs are out. I never get invited to parties. The social "events" that my school holds are no place to look for a girl who's on her own, as literally everyone except me, guys included, travels to those things in circles of five or six friends that are impossible to break into. The clubs that I'm interested don't attract a lot of girls....how can I meet people?

You're in college eh? Try the library or coffee shops round your schools. Go there with the intention of studying, but don't hesitate to come through and holler at a girl.

 

[spindashing]

Absolutely true. Just judging from the OP i think he just needs to hook up with a couple girls, go on a couple dates, maybe have a couple month relationship before he gets to the stage he claims to want, but I'm just responding to shanadeus' post.

I think vic had some good things to say btw.

vic and captmcblack are writing the girl-age bible as we speak

 

[Carlisle]

If you see the same girl regularly and in the same place, then you can pace yourself and build up to it. First find a reason to ask a quick question like directions to some place. The next time you see her, thank her for the help and tell her you found it ok. Who knows, she might even stop you to ask if you found it. Then start a new conversation, maybe get some interests or food likes from her and mention a restaurant that serves that kind of food and ask her to go sometime.

Piece of cake. If she makes an excuse not to go, don't fret it could be legitimate. But back off and maybe the next time or time after next you see her, ask her to something else like coffee. If she rejects again with no offer to do something else another time I'd probably just drop it and move on to someone else.

 

[victreeb3l]

Well, yeah, thats a whole different issue that I posted in the girl-age thread but got no response to. What social situations? I'm 19 and not interested in a fake ID, so bars and clubs are out. I never get invited to parties. The social "events" that my school holds are no place to look for a girl who's on her own, as literally everyone except me, guys included, travels to those things in circles of five or six friends that are impossible to break into. The clubs that I'm interested don't attract a lot of girls....how can I meet people?

try new things then. dont carve a niche for yourself and stay in there, branch out to new things.

in college i was part of the anime and gaming clubs, but i also dabbled in the pre-med society (FULL of attractive girls), ballroom dancing, etc. i made friends with frat dudes and through them met sorority girls and met even more people through them. network, network, network! get yourself out there!

hell, take classes outside of school like salsa, cooking, yoga, whatever. look at events happening in your city and go to them. make an effort to get out there.

definitely take a theatre class though. not only are those hella fun, but you get instantly submerged with everyone in the class, including the cute artsy girls :3

also, reposted for the new page..last post on the page sucks XP

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This is actually something I need help with as well. If you don't have any obvious thread of conversation, what do you talk about without overly "hitting on her"?

my dude, use your environment. if youre in the subway, look at the ads. if youre outside, then you have even more stuff to talk about.

also, survey the shit out of her. notice everything about her!: her hair, nail polish, what kinds of clothes shes wearing, shoes, and especially her mannerisms. if she makes like cute or funny expressions, tease her about it. get her to talk about herself and find something interesting to prod into.

hell, half the time when i talk to girls i find someone or something that we can both make fun of or something. there are honestly endless amounts of things two people can share an opinion on but for gods sake do not talk about serious shit like philosophy, religion, politics, and other debates that gaf OT is usually full of. keep that on the OT.

someone mentioned asking open ended questions earlier and thats spot on. those kinds of questions will encourage responses that will allow you to build upon them. try not to stay quiet though since that will kill any kind of momentum you two will have.

 

[The Technomancer]

Yeah, part of the problem is that my three previous relationships, including the 8 month good one, just kind of fell into my lap. I know how to behave once a girl and I are actually interested in each other, but I have barely any experience with that initial period. Its a problem, because subconsciously my strategy is still: become their friend, and after a while move closer, and even if I know that that's not a good strategy overall, its hard to fight that instinct.

 

[sangreal]

This is actually something I need help with as well. If you don't have any obvious thread of conversation, what do you talk about without overly "hitting on her"?

All of those things that pop into your head and then talk yourself out of saying because you think it'd be boring/inappropriate/whatever

 

[Esch]

Here's the thing, if you aren't invited to parties, INVITE YOURSELF.

Good call, you can get into and stay at even the most exclusive parties if you show up and make yourself into a personality there. Nobody wants to chuck out a charming/hilarious/entertaining person, even if you've never seen them before.

 

[Yaweee]

Yeah, part of the problem is that my three previous relationships, including the 8 month good one, just kind of fell into my lap. I know how to behave once a girl and I are actually interested in each other, but I have barely any experience with that initial period.

That was my problem for a long time as well. Back in High School, I had classes with girls, or was in activities with girls, which naturally led to some things. College hurt those advantages, and moving on to grad school basically killed them. It can be a bit intimidating, but you're going to have learn to make the most of whatever opportunities you get.

 

[captmcblack]

Yeah, part of the problem is that my three previous relationships, including the 8 month good one, just kind of fell into my lap. I know how to behave once a girl and I are actually interested in each other, but I have barely any experience with that initial period.

If you think about it though, there had to have been a period where you and the girls with whom you had those relationships didn't know each other at all.

You probably had to talk with them to get them to know you existed. You probably didn't know exactly what they were interested in or exactly what to say...but you did it anyway.

Unless you were in an arranged relationship, you had to do the work being discussed in this thread - even if you weren't aware of it. Now, you just have to be aware of the work, is all! Like GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle.

The other half is actually just doing it until it works.
Which it will, because numerically it must.

 

[AVclub]

If you think about it though, there had to have been a period where you and the girls with whom you had those relationships didn't know each other at all.

You probably had to talk with them to get them to know you existed. You probably didn't know exactly what they were interested in or exactly what to say...but you did it anyway.

Unless you were in an arranged relationship, you had to do the work being discussed in this thread - even if you weren't aware of it. Now, you just have to be aware of the work, is all! Like GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle.

The other half is actually just doing it until it works.
Which it will, because numerically it must.

Girls are not slot machines. They are not guaranteed to eventually pay out if you keep trying long enough. If a guy doesn't meet whatever criteria they are looking for, he can try his whole life and never get any. Not everyone is guaranteed to get laid simply by trying.

 

[jon bones]

Girls are not slot machines. They are not guaranteed to eventually pay out if you keep trying long enough. If a guy doesn't meet whatever criteria they are looking for, he can try his whole life and never get any. Not everyone is guaranteed to get laid simply by trying.

actually...

 

[The Technomancer]

What kind of woman interests you, buddy?

Intelligent and enjoys discussing philosophy, political stuff, science, etc. Actually cares about their education and their major, whatever it may be. Doesn't necessarily have to have the same interests as me though, if the chemistry is there it can work.
Moderately attractive by my standards, and I tend to not really care for the more "mainstream" look, and go for the more tomboyish and/or quirky girls. That's not a conformity thing or anything, it really is just my personal preference in appearance.

Unless you were in an arranged relationship, you had to do the work being discussed in this thread - even if you weren't aware of it. Now, you just have to be aware of the work, is all! Like GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle.

The other half is actually just doing it until it works.
Which it will, because numerically it must.

Yeah, it comes back to reciprocation. In high-school I was lucky enough to meet and eventually date three great girls who when I talked to them actually talked back and engaged with me. That doesn't seem to be the case so far into my second year of college.

 

[_Bro]

mmm, I just love this delusional crap.

god I hate xkcd

 

[Danielsan]

This thread seems made for me.

I was doing pretty well this summer and up until three weeks ago. I had been seeing a girl for a couple of weeks and all of the sudden, without warning she decides to cut things off. Kinda sapped me of my confidence and turned me back into my miserable old self. I really need climb out of the pit and start dating again. Asking women out really isn't that hard, keeping them interested on the other hand...

 

[Yaweee]

Girls are not slot machines. They are not guaranteed to eventually pay out if you keep trying long enough. If a guy doesn't meet whatever criteria they are looking for, he can try his whole life and never get any. Not everyone is guaranteed to get laid simply by trying.

Actually, yes. No matter who you are, there is a woman, somewhere, that wants what you're selling. It might take a really damn long time to meet the right one, but it can and will happen. And as long as you're not extremely overweight and smelly, the odds are quite good.

 

[verbum]

So if this is just breaking the ice and not the result of some low self esteem issues, then:
Be confident in your attitude and speech.
Be well groomed and clean. This will help with your attitude.
Dress well. Wear stylish, non wrinkled clothing.
Be honest. About your background, goals, and anything else.
Give positive feedback and small compliments occasionally.
Get some exercise before you start your day. Just walking a few blocks will help.

After you talk for a while, ask if she would like to get some coffee, tea, or a snack at the next break.

 

[The Technomancer]

Dude, this is the dream. THIS IS THE DREAM, lemme tell ya. Even in college that shit is rare.

Really? Then maybe I got fantastically lucky in my three previous relationships, and now I'm burned by the fact that it seems hard to find another.

 

[jon bones]

mmm, I just love this delusional crap.

god I hate xkcd

delusional?

 

[captmcblack]

Girls are not slot machines. They are not guaranteed to eventually pay out if you keep trying long enough. If a guy doesn't meet whatever criteria they are looking for, he can try his whole life and never get any. Not everyone is guaranteed to get laid simply by trying.

The same girl? Of course not.

But I will not accept that it's possible that a decent-looking average guy couldn't go out 200 times, talk with 200 girls, and not even once get 1 of those girls interested in hanging out in a romantic fashion. If that happens, it is something you're doing wrong honestly.

You can't go out with smelly, holey shoes and bummy clothes expecting things to work.
You can't go out unwashed and unkempt and expect things to work.
You can't be morbidly obese and sloppy and expect things to work.

As long as you have those things under control (which you do), I am confident in eventual success through attrition.

 

[edbrat]

GAF is incredibly insecure so they'll burn me with fire for saying this... but who the fuck cares if she has a boyfriend?

unless its a dude i know, i don't give a fuck.

 

[Yaweee]

The same girl? Of course not.

But I will not accept that it's possible that a decent-looking average guy couldn't go out 200 times, talk with 200 girls, and not even once get 1 of those girls interested in hanging out in a romantic fashion. If that happens, it is something you're doing wrong honestly.

You can't go out with smelly, holey shoes and bummy clothes expecting things to work.
You can't go out unwashed and unkempt and expect things to work.
You can't be morbidly obese and sloppy and expect things to work.

As long as you have those things under control (which you do), I am confident in eventual success through attrition.

Absolutely this.

 

[AVclub]

Actually, yes. No matter who you are, there is a woman, somewhere, that wants what you're selling. It might take a really damn long time to meet the right one, but it can and will happen. And as long as you're not extremely overweight and smelly, the odds are quite good.

Like I said, not EVERYONE can get laid by trying more. There may be a willing woman somewhere for every guy but that doesn't guarantee that the guy will find her attractive. I mean, I agree that confidence and just making the effort are going to greatly increase your chances, but please don't talk in absolutes. There are no sure things in this world.

 

[Shanadeus]

Intelligent and enjoys discussing philosophy, political stuff, science, etc. Actually cares about their education and their major, whatever it may be. Doesn't necessarily have to have the same interests as me though, if the chemistry is there it can work.
Moderately attractive by my standards, and I tend to not really care for the more "mainstream" look, and go for the more tomboyish and/or quirky girls. That's not a conformity thing or anything, it really is just my personal preference in appearance.

Doesn't sound like you should have a hard time finding those types of girls, try checking up philosophy conventions and book clubs.

 

[lunarworks]

I'm not even going to read this thread, because I know it's going to reflect my life too well.

 

[The Technomancer]

Doesn't sound like you should have a hard time finding those types of girls, try checking up philosophy conventions and book clubs.

Would you believe that my campus doesn't have a single book club? I was flabbergasted when I saw it. I'd start one myself if my schedule wasn't insane as it is.

 

[Shanadeus]

Would you believe that my campus doesn't have a single book club? I was flabbergasted when I saw it. I'd start one myself if my schedule wasn't insane as it is.

Well that's less than ideal. You could otherwise look into any other club that relates to the qualities you're looking for.

Basically, find out where all the female nerds are at.

 

[jon bones]

I'm not even going to read this thread, because I know it's going to reflect my life too well.

but it's full of good advice, save shanadeous

 

[Joel Was Right]

Sometimes I wish I had e.g. a rose to give to her. That would tell her more than a potentially awkward intro. And after I gave to her, she would most likely ask why. I would be honest as to why, and totally comfortable in that situation. It's not conversing that bothers me but how you get from seeing her to being in that role. Sometimes I see someone who is probably standing by herself or sitting by herself. I don't necessarily want to have a deep convo with her, or even date her, but you know when you think to yourself "Wow" and you take a second look and move on? I hate that. Sometimes a convo doesn't feel like the right thing at that moment. You just want to leave an impression. Some can do so because they're very attractive, or catch your attention somehow from across the street. If I had e.g. a rose, I would walk over and give it to her. If I sensed she was curious about me, I would open up and who knows we may end up sitting and talking for hours.

I suppose I'm more aware of this now as I'm 23 and shake my head at the lack of interaction I've had with strangers (female ones anyway). I am not an introvert. I'm not cocky or super confident either, but I don't put myself in a shell. If I had a basket of flowers, shit, I would walk out right now and hand them out to every woman who walked pass and tell them they're beautiful. Give them a nice feeling to go home with.

Maybe I should do that actually. Sure, I want to get to know girls and learn how to meet them. But I also generally want to widen my scope of my contacts and I've generally felt limited to males only. Nothing against the bros, but you can only debate politics, argue about sports, and talk about the girl who just walked pass wearing skin tight jeans, so much

 

[victreeb3l]

....yeeeeahh, dont do that.

 

[jon bones]

that's a terrible idea

 

[Shanadeus]

Sometimes I wish I had e.g. a rose to give to her. That would tell her more than a potentially awkward intro. And after I gave to her, she would most likely ask why. I would be honest as to why, and totally comfortable in that situation. It's not conversing that bothers me but how you get from seeing her to being in that role. Sometimes I see someone who is probably standing by herself or sitting by herself. I don't necessarily want to have a deep convo with her, or even date her, but you know when you think to yourself "Wow" and you take a second look and move on? I hate that. Sometimes a convo doesn't feel like the right thing at that moment. You just want to leave an impression. Some can do so because they're very attractive, or catch your attention somehow from across the street. If I had e.g. a rose, I would walk over and give it to her. If I sensed she was curious about me, I would open up and who knows we may end up sitting and talking for hours.

I suppose I'm more aware of this now as I'm 23 and shake my head at the lack of interaction I've had with strangers (female ones anyway). I am not an introvert. I'm not cocky or super confident either, but I don't put myself in a shell. If I had a basket of flowers, shit, I would walk out right now and hand them out to every woman who walked pass and tell them they're beautiful. Give them a nice feeling to go home with.

Maybe I should do that actually.

Do it.
It's the best of netting you a girl that you are looking for.

 

[jon bones]

Shanadeus, you should have continued to border on the subtle

fake poster: confirmed

 

[The Technomancer]

Well that's less than ideal. You could otherwise look into any other club that relates to the qualities you're looking for.

Basically, find out where all the female nerds are at.

Yeah, I'm trying. Might get some weird looks if I show up at a meeting of the Society for Woman Engineers though.

 

[Yaweee]

Sometimes I wish I had e.g. a rose to give to her. That would tell her more than a potentially awkward intro. And after I gave to her, she would most likely ask why. I would be honest as to why, and totally comfortable in that situation. It's not conversing that bothers me but how you get from seeing her to being in that role. Sometimes I see someone who is probably standing by herself or sitting by herself. I don't necessarily want to have a deep convo with her, or even date her, but you know when you think to yourself "Wow" and you take a second look and move on? I hate that. Sometimes a convo doesn't feel like the right thing at that moment. You just want to leave an impression. Some can do so because they're very attractive, or catch your attention somehow from across the street. If I had e.g. a rose, I would walk over and give it to her. If I sensed she was curious about me, I would open up and who knows we may end up sitting and talking for hours.

I suppose I'm more aware of this now as I'm 23 and shake my head at the lack of interaction I've had with strangers (female ones anyway). I am not an introvert. I'm not cocky or super confident either, but I don't put myself in a shell. If I had a basket of flowers, shit, I would walk out right now and hand them out to every woman who walked pass and tell them they're beautiful. Give them a nice feeling to go home with.

Maybe I should do that actually.

Skipping straight to the roses is a bad idea. I'd go with the potentially awkward intro. Even if it doesn't work, the next intro to the next lady will be easier and less awkward, and the one after that will be even easier and even less awkward.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Skipping straight to the roses is a bad idea. I'd go with the potentially awkward intro. Even if it doesn't work, the next intro to the next lady will be easier and less awkward, and the one after that will be even easier and even less awkward.

I read this thread earlier and on my way home I was in MacDonalds. This girl in her school uniform was standing at the queue and I had this urge to say hi. I was about to (gained confidence from this thread, thank you btw), but I had doubts about her age :lol She could have been 15 or 20. It's so hard to tell these days. I just don't know how, if I had talked to her, I would have asked how old she was.

How would you try to find out?

 

[Alucrid]

Sometimes I wish I had e.g. a rose to give to her. That would tell her more than a potentially awkward intro. And after I gave to her, she would most likely ask why. I would be honest as to why, and totally comfortable in that situation. It's not conversing that bothers me but how you get from seeing her to being in that role. Sometimes I see someone who is probably standing by herself or sitting by herself. I don't necessarily want to have a deep convo with her, or even date her, but you know when you think to yourself "Wow" and you take a second look and move on? I hate that. Sometimes a convo doesn't feel like the right thing at that moment. You just want to leave an impression. Some can do so because they're very attractive, or catch your attention somehow from across the street. If I had e.g. a rose, I would walk over and give it to her. If I sensed she was curious about me, I would open up and who knows we may end up sitting and talking for hours.

I suppose I'm more aware of this now as I'm 23 and shake my head at the lack of interaction I've had with strangers (female ones anyway). I am not an introvert. I'm not cocky or super confident either, but I don't put myself in a shell. If I had a basket of flowers, shit, I would walk out right now and hand them out to every woman who walked pass and tell them they're beautiful. Give them a nice feeling to go home with.

Maybe I should do that actually. Sure, I want to get to know girls and learn how to meet them. But I also generally want to widen my scope of my contacts and I've generally felt limited to males only. Nothing against the bros, but you can only debate politics, argue about sports, and talk about the girl who just walked pass wearing skin tight jeans, so much

A crown of sonnets is much better imo.

 

[Yaweee]

I read this thread earlier and on my way home I was in MacDonalds. This girl in her school uniform was standing at the queue and I had this urge to say hi. I was about to (gained confidence from this thread, thank you btw), but I had doubts about her age :lol She could have been 15 or 20. It's so hard to tell these days. I just don't know how, if I had talked to her, I would have asked how old she was.

How would you try to find out?

Ain't nothing illegal about talking. Just don't proposition her.

Ask her about "school". Whether it sounds like High School or College should give you a good indication of her age.

 

[Danielsan]

The basket or roses. :lol
Please don't.

 

[Shanadeus]

I read this thread earlier and on my way home I was in MacDonalds. This girl in her school uniform was standing at the queue and I had this urge to say hi. I was about to (gained confidence from this thread, thank you btw), but I had doubts about her age :lol She could have been 15 or 20. It's so hard to tell these days. I just don't know how, if I had talked to her, I would have asked how old she was.

How would you try to find out?

You ask her what she's doing, in a subtle way.
If she's working then it's pretty safe to proceed and if she says that she's studying then you can through further causal questions find out what.

But anyway, go with the rose idea. At least one of the women you hand out a rose to will love it and be your type.

 

[CharlieDigital]

A crown of sonnets is much better imo.

:lol was there ever a followup to this?

 

[Danielsan]

You know you're getting old when you hit on a girl and she happens to be like 17 or some shit.

The worst part is that you really can't fucking tell these days. Best to just a take a leap of faith. :lol

 

[jon bones]

You ask her what she's doing, in a subtle way.
If she's working then it's pretty safe to proceed and if she says that she's studying then you can through further causal questions find out what.

But anyway, go with the rose idea. At least one of the women you hand out a rose to will love it and be your type.

some of us are trying to help the OP

please stop trolling

 

[Joel Was Right]

A crown of sonnets is much better imo.

I did that once in school, anonymously, in a letter. They were sitting across and I remember them discussing who it could have been. My name was mentioned and she went Eww.

Never again. Girls in school were the personification of evil. Funny thing is now they're single parents at the age of 19 living on benefits.

http://anasui.lenzus.com/content/45607272/70469650.jpg[/I[/QUOTE]

Well, that idea is dead.

 

[verbum]

Here's my story, none of my doing.
First day of middle school, the 7th grade whore picked me out as being cute. I was scared as shit, but screwed up my courage and went out with her. She taught me a lot. I was very lucky. And she wasn't too bad looking but I was definitely her toy of the month. I didn't care.
Best sex I ever had was a women I worked with for about a year and really had not much desire for. We started talking at a get together, hit a spark, went to my place, had sex all weekend, then had sex every chance we had for the next 6 months, broke up, and have never seen or called each other since.
Sometimes it is luck, and other times you have to work at it.

 

[victreeb3l]

stop quoting shanadeus you guys, its making the ignore feature pointless :lol

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Sometimes I wish I had e.g. a rose to give to her. That would tell her more than a potentially awkward intro. And after I gave to her, she would most likely ask why. I would be honest as to why, and totally comfortable in that situation. It's not conversing that bothers me but how you get from seeing her to being in that role. Sometimes I see someone who is probably standing by herself or sitting by herself. I don't necessarily want to have a deep convo with her, or even date her, but you know when you think to yourself "Wow" and you take a second look and move on? I hate that. Sometimes a convo doesn't feel like the right thing at that moment. You just want to leave an impression. Some can do so because they're very attractive, or catch your attention somehow from across the street.If I had e.g. a rose, I would walk over and give it to her. . If I sensed she was curious about me, I would open up and who knows we may end up sitting and talking for hours.

I suppose I'm more aware of this now as I'm 23 and shake my head at the lack of interaction I've had with strangers (female ones anyway). I am not an introvert. I'm not cocky or super confident either, but I don't put myself in a shell. If I had a basket of flowers, shit, I would walk out right now and hand them out to every woman who walked pass and tell them they're beautiful. Give them a nice feeling to go home with.

Maybe I should do that actually. Sure, I want to get to know girls and learn how to meet them. But I also generally want to widen my scope of my contacts and I've generally felt limited to males only. Nothing against the bros, but you can only debate politics, argue about sports, and talk about the girl who just walked pass wearing skin tight jeans, so much

 

[Alucrid]

I did that once in school, anonymously, in a letter. They were sitting across and I remember them discussing who it could have been. My name was mentioned and she went Eww.

Never again.

Wait. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat is this.

 

[Danielsan]

Please stop.
One time I macked with a mother and daughter. The mom looked younger than the daughter.

Embarrassing, yet quite the story. :lol

A week ago I was chatting to some girl at a party and her friend joined in. Spend most of the evening talking to the two. Turned out the second girl was actually 30 and her friend was 18. Yeah... did not expect that. :lol