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y2dvd said:
Don't do the rose thingy


Fixed.

No gifts, poems, sonnets, love songs or anything like that for girls that aren't friends, family, girlfriends or valentines.
Ever.

EVER.

Under any circumstance.

Confidence is how you get girlfriends.
Romance is how you turn girlfriends into wives.

Start with confidence first, OP.
 
great website on easy ways to start conversations with random women

MetatronM said:
I've hit the "blahblahblahblah MY BOYFRIEND blahblahblah" wall in conversations with girls way too many times. :lol

Enough times that I've slowly started to learn to not give a fuck and have taken a girl out on a damn nice Broadway date anyway even though I knew full well she had a boyfriend (who was safely in Houston, Texas). Did it go anywhere or lead to anything between us really? No. It was just the principle of the thing. That said, I only did that because I knew it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway, so, you know, why not do it? No way I would have done it if it could have gone somewhere. I don't need that kind of drama!

i hope you didn't pay for shit on this "date"
 
captmcblack said:
Fixed.

No gifts, poems, sonnets, love songs or anything like that for girls that aren't friends, family, girlfriends or valentines.
Ever.

Seriously: what happened to sonnet boy :lol was there ever a follow up?
 
Shanadeus said:
Do you get freaked out from talking with girls through other mediums?
Like through text or only voice?

If so then you could in addition to trying to meet girls online also see if you could meet some deaf girls - who you'd communicate with in a fashion that probably would be easier for you.
I feel like I have to know a girl really well before I talk to her, but that requires actually talking to them without knowing them-see the problem? I've talked to girls online but most have only been e-friends nowhere close to me rather than romantic interest who I could meet in real life.
 
Vox-Pop said:
I feel like I have to know a girl really well before I talk to her, but that requires actually talking to them without knowing them-see the problem? I've talked to girls online but most have only been e-friends nowhere close to me rather than romantic interest who I could meet in real life.
Sounds like you need to take an active interest in those women that you talk to online, once you feel that you know her you will probably have an easier time talking with her in real life - so focus on women who are attainable (that excludes anyone living in a different country and maybe state, you won't be able to achieve anything with those girls)
 
CharlieDigital said:
Social connections require effort. For some people, it seems effortless, but it really requires a lot of effort for most of us.

Absolutely true.

Of course confidence is the key, but suggesting to "be confident" isn't helpful for someone who isn't comfortable with women to begin with. It's not a switch one can simply turn on.

After years of miserably failing to approach women I decided to accept the fact that I'm not a smooth talker and changed my tactics altogether. I joined a dance class and a volunteer organization. The key to making it work is simple: don't do these things to meet women, but do them to actually learn an activity or participate in something constructive. The guys that go just to meet women usually give up after a few weeks because their motives are pretty transparent and, believe or not, many girls do take it seriously.

After a few months I became a pretty good dancer, but in addition to the advanced classes I kept attending the beginner courses. Who do you think those girls want to dance with? The beauty of this is that you see the smooth talkers who only want to pick up women just manhandle their dance partners, only to have them running after you afterwards. It's an incredible confidence boost, and I soon found a beautiful dance partner I spent a year with (doing, ahem, other types of dance).

As far as the volunteer organization is concerned I picked a small one which mostly organizes fun activities for people with holiday-working visas. Within a few months I pretty influential when it came to planning and overall direction, and met my current GF whom I "took under my wing" after she joined.

Even though the dancing and the volunteering were means to an end, they are still important to me, and will continue doing both regardless. They have enriched my life in ways other than to just meet women, so even had I not met anyone I'd still be better off.
 
The_Technomancer said:
And that's my problem as well. It has to be random people because I don't have a "circle". Like at all. I have friends, sure, I have some great friends. But those friends and I don't form a group that does stuff together.

Yeah.. it's certainly more difficult that way. There's less natural opportunity.

But that's where you REALLY can't enter a conversation with the attitude that you already KNOW you are "interested in that person." For one thing it will typically be fairly obvious.. and you will come across as someone interested in meeting SOMEONE not just interested in meeting the person you just introduced yourself too. But more importantly, recognize that attitude is sort of pathetic and emotionally immature to begin with. Have some self respect and don't ASSUME that just because a female you see has the look/style you like that she'll actually be someone worth your time, or someone you will "like". If you are thinking that way you must not value yourself highly..

I'm really just taking a different approach to the "act confident" statements and looking at the root of the problem.. a lack of self respect and real self worth. It's not about "acting confident" it's about "being confident." They are 2 very different things, and anyone who acts really interested in someone RIGHT AWAY is marking themselves as not having true self confidence.
 
jon bones said:

bookmarked! :lol

i have a feeling meus wont really listen to anyone in this thread and continue to do whatever he was doing before, until one day in the future hell realize things for himself the hard way. thats the nature for most people anyways.

hopefully some people took the advice in this thread and made it work for them.

captmcblack said:
Confidence is how you get girlfriends.
Romance is how you turn girlfriends into wives.

perfect, haha.
 
youta said:
Absolutely true.

Of course confidence is the key, but suggesting to "be confident" isn't helpful for someone who isn't comfortable with women to begin with. It's not a switch one can simply turn on.

After years of miserably failing to approach women I decided to accept the fact that I'm not a smooth talker and changed my tactics altogether. I joined a dance class and a volunteer organization. The key to making it work is simple: don't do these things to meet women, but do them to actually learn an activity or participate in something constructive. The guys that go just to meet women usually give up after a few weeks because their motives are pretty transparent and, believe or not, many girls do take it seriously.

After a few months I became a pretty good dancer, but in addition to the advanced classes I kept attending the beginner courses. Who do you think those girls want to dance with? The beauty of this is that you see the smooth talkers who only want to pick up women just manhandle their dance partners, only to have them running after you afterwards. It's an incredible confidence boost, and I soon found a beautiful dance partner I spent a year with (doing, ahem, other types of dance).

As far as the volunteer organization is concerned I picked a small one which mostly organizes fun activities for people with holiday-working visas. Within a few months I pretty influential when it came to planning and overall direction, and met my current GF whom I "took under my wing" after she joined.

Even though the dancing and the volunteering were means to an end, they are still important to me, and will continue doing both regardless. They have enriched my life in ways other than to just meet women, so even had I not met anyone I'd still be better off.
Listen to this man, rather than trying to change himself into something he's not he used his creativity and strong traits to find something that worked for himself.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Yeah.. it's certainly more difficult that way. There's less natural opportunity.

But that's where you REALLY can't enter a conversation with the attitude that you already KNOW you are "interested in that person." For one thing it will typically be fairly obvious.. and you will come across as someone interested in meeting SOMEONE not just interested in meeting the person you just introduced yourself too. But more importantly, recognize that attitude is sort of pathetic and emotionally immature to begin with. Have some self respect and don't ASSUME that just because a female you see has the look/style you like that she'll actually be someone worth your time, or someone you will "like". If you are thinking that way you must not value yourself highly..

I'm really just taking a different approach to the "act confident" statements and looking at the root of the problem.. a lack of self respect and real self worth. It's not about "acting confident" it's about "being confident." They are 2 very different things, and anyone who acts really interested in someone RIGHT AWAY is marking themselves as not having true self confidence.
Yeah, and I don't go into a conversation thinking that she'll be worth my time, I go into it thinking that she might. I know that most of the time it won't go anywhere. But what do you talk about? How does one converse with a random stranger without seeming "interested"? Because I definitely don't come off as like....overly interested, or hitting on or flirting or anything. I just try to talk to people and they don't care.
I know that I'm a good person, that I have self worth, and I have a lot of stuff that I'm proud of. I'd like to think that my attitude reflects that (in the non-arrogant way), but *shrugs*
 
Some people aren't confident like that...I absolutely understand that. I'm not the most perfectly confident person all the time myself.

But what I do have is preparation, and information.

I know that I keep myself in good-enough shape where I'm not going to offend most people's sensibilities. I know that I keep good hygiene, so I don't have to worry about anyone being like "that guy smells weird" or "eww, that guy's clothes are dirty". I know that I dress well, so I don't have to worry about whether people don't like what I'm wearing - I like it, and it's clean, so I'll take my chances.

Because I'm factually prepared as best as I can be, the knowledge of that fact makes it easy to fake confidence if I don't already have it.

Prepare well.
Know that you're prepared.
Take care of yourself.
After that, the rest is dice rolls and dominoes.
 
captmcblack said:
Some people aren't confident like that...I absolutely understand that. I'm not the most perfectly confident person all the time myself.

But what I do have is preparation, and information.

I know that I keep myself in good-enough shape where I'm not going to offend most people's sensibilities. I know that I keep good hygiene, so I don't have to worry about anyone being like "that guy smells weird" or "eww, that guy's clothes are dirty". I know that I dress well, so I don't have to worry about whether people don't like what I'm wearing - I like it, and it's clean, so I'll take my chances.

Because I'm factually prepared as best as I can be, the knowledge of that fact makes it easy to fake confidence if I don't already have it.

Prepare well.
Know that you're prepared.
Take care of yourself.
After that, the rest is dice rolls and dominoes.

man I come back to this thread and you're still being the Haitian Hitch? :lol
 
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this but you don't have to work on your confidence. You can bypass all that crap if you convince yourself you just want to talk to her at the beginning. Just say to yourself "Pffft I'm bored, I better talk to someone" and just do it with the intention of only speaking to her. Don't overthink it and most important of all don't give a shit because you're just talking to a stranger somewhere since you had nothing better to do. That's how I started and it has become second nature to me.
 
If you're in school maybe consider joining a fraternity or other organization that throws parties/mixers regularly? We threw parties Thursday-Sat, and so did most of the sports teams during off season.

Great time to meet girls: everyone is there to have fun, get loose and meet people.

On top of that we regularly had events with the other sororities, so I mean you're around females all the time in a comfortable environment and in most larger schools there are so many organizations (academic, sport and greek) you meet a huge range of different types of people with all sorts of interests.

Just something to consider.
 
spindashing said:
man I come back to this thread and you're still being the Haitian Hitch? :lol

:lol

I gotta help my boys out here. The geeks shall inherit the Earth...if we actually listen and improve ourselves.

...plus, there's nothing else to do here at work (aside from work, natch :p)
 
i was deathly afraid of talking to girls on a level deeper than friendship.

now its not so hard, all i remember is that the only thing every girl in the world wants is to be loved and to love back.
 
effingvic said:
hell, half the time when i talk to girls i find someone or something that we can both make fun of or something. there are honestly endless amounts of things two people can share an opinion on but for gods sake do not talk about serious shit like philosophy, religion, politics, and other debates that gaf OT is usually full of. keep that on the OT.

The stuff that gets discussed in Gaming is more topical anyway.

"So what's your favourite Final Fantasy?"
 
Roofy said:
i was deathly afraid of talking to girls on a level deeper than friendship.

now its not so hard, all i remember is that the only thing every girl in the world wants is to be loved and to love back.
This holds true for most people.
Men and women, we all have a heart.

Conceited said:
Ask her what a Chocobo is.
Wear a shirt with a chocobo on and she'll ask you about it.
 
Regulus Tera said:
The stuff that gets discussed in Gaming is more topical anyway.

"So what's your favourite Final Fantasy?"

no joke, i knew this gorgeous girl in art class on my freshman year of college and shes a FF and anime nut. shes a model now and i regularly see her scanning and posting magazine photoshoots of her on her facebook and see her live it up on yacht parties and shit. if you took a look at her you would NEVER guess she was into that shit.

really fucked up on that one, sigh :lol just goes to show you cant make judgments on someone until you talk to them.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Yeah, and I don't go into a conversation thinking that she'll be worth my time, I go into it thinking that she might. I know that most of the time it won't go anywhere. But what do you talk about? How does one converse with a random stranger without seeming "interested"? Because I definitely don't come off as like....overly interested, or hitting on or flirting or anything. I just try to talk to people and they don't care.
I know that I'm a good person, that I have self worth, and I have a lot of stuff that I'm proud of. I'd like to think that my attitude reflects that (in the non-arrogant way), but *shrugs*

Well you don't sound like the type of person I'm referring too. The type of guy who will find out a girl likes something they like and suddenly be like "OMG you like XYZ you are perfect for me!! *crush*" .. or actually have "feelings' for some chick they saw on a bus.

Other than that.. I dunno.. if you aren't much of a conversationalist it's going to be difficult. You'd be more likely to meet someone in a different setting than just going up to someone and "saying hi."

Don't really have great advice for that other than to try and find that elusive circle of friends you don't have.. or do some activities.. play a sport.. join a club, etc.

And if those things don't interest you.. then.. good luck.. it really does take putting yourself out there in SOME WAY. If you are somewhat of a recluse, you will have a much harder time.. otherwise.. the internet? Extacy? I'm actually somewhat serious about that.. take a small amount of E, then tell me you aren't the worlds most interesting man suddenly ;)
 
Shanadeus said:
Do you get freaked out from talking with girls through other mediums?
Like through text or only voice?

If so then you could in addition to trying to meet girls online also see if you could meet some deaf girls - who you'd communicate with in a fashion that probably would be easier for you.
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Vox-Pop said:
No matter how much advice is given, it really is hard to change. Some of us just suck talking to girls. As much as I try to act confident, it just doesn't work, I get freaked out.
You can't act confident. You have to be confident.
 
If you aren't confident, be knowledgeable.

Knowing a situation can help you appear comfortable.
When I go out on a date with a new woman, I take her to places I know (that she doesn't). I know the menu, I know the waiters, I know the drinks, I know the prices, I know the decor, I know how to get there, and so on.

It's a lot easier for me to act all cool about the place like "yeah, this is my spot...I chill here all the time" and impress her with other shit (like stuff about me, or my knowledge of cool spots and whatever) if I have prior knowledge.

Get information. If you notice what she's reading, and you know about it, have a conversation about it. You'll be too busy having a conversation about the book she's reading, or the author, or the genre or whatever to remember that oh shit it's a girl i'm scared to talk to them because i'm not confident.

...and as a side-effect of that, you appear confident because you didn't have the opportunity to convey something else :lol

Be knowledgeable.
 
MiDNiGHTS said:
I was wondering why people were clowning you throughout the thread but now I see.
If he has trouble talking with women then it makes sense to try to communicate with women who he doesn't need to talk with per se.
 
When next you walk by her side, you should shout her, "Woman!" And then, as she looks at you, lock eyes with her. "This is my hand!" You should say as you thrust it out at her. "Within this hand flows my blood! The blood of hunters and killers, who since the time of our grandfathers' grandfathers have kept our tribe safe and strong! With this hand, I have felled a thousand foes (or substitute some other number if you have actually killed fewer), and will fell ten thousand more! Its strength is that of the mountain! Its touch as deadly as a lion! Its strike as swift as the bird in the sky! And now I tell you to place your hand in mine, so that all the men of the tribe know that you are mine, and that your offspring will carry my warrior's blood in them and not theirs!"

If she is wise, and your words ring true, this should be all you need to do her. It is that simple!

Shanadeus said:
Wear a shirt with a chocobo on and she'll ask you about it.

I actually met my latest ex-girlfriend at an anime convention, of all places. I was wearing a Pokeymanz shirt because I was too lazy and cheap to cosplay.
 
Funky Functionality said:
You can't act confident. You have to be confident.

Eh, that is a bad way to look at it. What is considered "confidence" is just a wide array of certain behavioral tendencies and mannerisms, all of which can be learned.

Even something as simple as cracking jokes comes off as "confidence". And like somebody else said, knowing what you're talking about in any given situation also comes off as "confidence". Neither is really "confidence" in the way that some people talk about it.
 
Regulus Tera said:
When next you walk by her side, you should shout her, "Woman!" And then, as she looks at you, lock eyes with her. "This is my hand!" You should say as you thrust it out at her. "Within this hand flows my blood! The blood of hunters and killers, who since the time of our grandfathers' grandfathers have kept our tribe safe and strong! With this hand, I have felled a thousand foes (or substitute some other number if you have actually killed fewer), and will fell ten thousand more! Its strength is that of the mountain! Its touch as deadly as a lion! Its strike as swift as the bird in the sky! And now I tell you to place your hand in mine, so that all the men of the tribe know that you are mine, and that your offspring will carry my warrior's blood in them and not theirs!"

If she is wise, and your words ring true, this should be all you need to do her. It is that simple!



I actually met my latest ex-girlfriend at an anime convention, of all places. I was wearing a Pokeymanz shirt because I was too lazy and cheap to cosplay.

You have been watching too much of The Office. Dwight deja vu.
 
Regulus Tera said:
When next you walk by her side, you should shout her, "Woman!" And then, as she looks at you, lock eyes with her. "This is my hand!" You should say as you thrust it out at her. "Within this hand flows my blood! The blood of hunters and killers, who since the time of our grandfathers' grandfathers have kept our tribe safe and strong! With this hand, I have felled a thousand foes (or substitute some other number if you have actually killed fewer), and will fell ten thousand more! Its strength is that of the mountain! Its touch as deadly as a lion! Its strike as swift as the bird in the sky! And now I tell you to place your hand in mine, so that all the men of the tribe know that you are mine, and that your offspring will carry my warrior's blood in them and not theirs!"

If she is wise, and your words ring true, this should be all you need to do her. It is that simple!

That's a really funny way of introducing yourself to someone, if she laughs and shows interest in you then you have yourself a winner - with a good sense of humour.

Regulus Tera said:
I actually met my latest ex-girlfriend at an anime convention, of all places. I was wearing a Pokeymanz shirt because I was too lazy and cheap to cosplay.
Am I correct in presuming that she was a female nerd?
Listen to this man The_Technomancer.
 
Shanadeus said:
That's a really funny way of introducing yourself to someone, if she laughs and shows interest in you then you have yourself a winner - with a good sense of humour.

This is not what I intended.

Shanadeus said:
Am I correct in presuming that she was a female nerd?
Listen to this man The_Technomancer.

She was a booth babe!
She was a regular girl who was into Inuyasha. A cutie though, and I ended up becoming engaged to her. We never fulfilled the marriage dream, but it was fun and adorable while it lasted.
 
Yaweee said:
Eh, that is a bad way to look at it. What is considered "confidence" is just a wide array of certain behavioral tendencies and mannerisms, all of which can be learned.

Even something as simple as cracking jokes comes off as "confidence".

Huh.. not in my opinion.

Having confidence is the best way to actually develop into a healthy person, and have healthy relationships.

Acting confident might help you "get laid", but false confidence is not a healthy ingredient for actual happiness or healthy relationships.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
I appreciate Shanadeus's and everyone here's willingness to help me out. Thank you all, E-Hugs and High Fives!
I just want you to know Meus, It appears I'm exactly fucking like you. I pretty much feel the exact same way about everything. I feel where your coming from man, I never want the douche/wannabe impression to come off, ever. Just one caveat:

A lot of the girls I go after are friends, but not close friends. I feel like if i take a shot and get rejected, I'd lose the friendship, and I'm kinda OCD with being on bad terms with people in general and never want that at all, and am afraid of the awkwardness that can ensue afterwards. One of my main insecurities, friends. Its what's keeping me from asking out cute girl x at the moment. After reading this thread though I'm going to go for it (after midterms).

But this thread is full of gems. Especially this one:
CharlieDigital said:
See, the problem is that you think that it actually matters.

It's not like baseball where you get 3 strikes and you're out. There's an endless supply of girls to get your game on with. You can strike out as many times as you need to. You're not going to hit a home run every time. Get up to bat, you'll whiff a few times, you'll hit a couple of foul balls, and once in a while, you may even get a base hit. If you're lucky, you hit a home run.

But the way you're going now, you're not even getting up to the plate because you're scared of getting a strike. You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
I know a boss when I see one, this man is a boss.
 
Shanadeus said:
Based on his posts and threads I believe that he is a romantic guy who isn't interested in plowing through woman after woman until he finds the right one.
u dumbass...that's exactly what he'd be doing by handing out rose after rose...
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Huh.. not in my opinion.

Having confidence is the best way to actually develop into a healthy person, and have healthy relationships.

Acting confident might help you "get laid", but false confidence is not a healthy ingredient for actual happiness or healthy relationships.

I agree that people should genuinely try to be confident, but in terms of how to meet and talk to women, "be confident" is kind of dead-end advice.
 
I dunno.. I think the "you can strike out as many times as you want it doesn't matter" advice doesn't work well for people with confidence issues.

I think it's better to not consider some girl not being receptive to you as a "strike out" in the first place.

The end goal is the same; to not get down on the fact that some girl didn't respond to your interest.. but the attitude doesn't HAVE to be that it's a "strike out."
 
Yaweee said:
I agree that people should genuinely try to be confident, but in terms of how to meet and talk to women, "be confident" is kind of dead-end advice.

I see what you are saying. You certainly can ACT confident without BEING confident.. and maybe it's a good pre-cursor to actual self confidence.

But I still think that a healthy attitude can actually give you real confidence, and in turn you will act confident without having to "act."
 
Yaweee said:
I agree that people should genuinely try to be confident, but in terms of how to meet and talk to women, "be confident" is kind of dead-end advice.

The simplist form of advice I can give the OP and anyone else in his situtation is just do it. You'll never know how things would have went if you don't talk to her. Not all of us are confident, I had the same issue, but not doing anything because you are afraid of how she will react will get you nowhere.

The next beautiful girl you see, walk up to her and say hi. Maybe you will have something to say after that, maybe you won't, but at least try it. If she scoffs at you, then who cares, you aren't in any different position than you were before. Over time this will become easier, and talking to random girls will feel more natural.
 
Yaweee said:
Eh, that is a bad way to look at it. What is considered "confidence" is just a wide array of certain behavioral tendencies and mannerisms, all of which can be learned.
Semantics. To learn and effectively exercise those so-called behavioral tendencies and mannerisms is to be confident. To imitate them in a completely self-aware manner as vox-pop described is to act confident, which will be completely transparent to any woman with an ounce of social experience.
 
if confidence and self-esteem is a serious issue, girls are the last thing you should be thinking about.

figure out whats wrong and work on it. feel fat? join the gym and read the workout threads here. financial problems? find out what you can do to get back on the right track. lack of friends? post on gaf. if you think you need professional help, go get it.

self confidence problems are serious and rejections from girls will only make it worse. fix yourself before you attempt at a relationship because in the event you (generally speaking) do get a girlfriend, your lack of self esteem will make sure it wont last.
 
There are so many things involved with self esteem. People say "analysis is paralysis" but I'm sure most of introvert-GAF has been forced to analysis what they say or do because they usually feel uncomfortable in social situations, and it's hard to be confident when you feel uncomfortable and can't control it.

There is no key that will automatically turn you into a gregarious person, so the only advice I can give is baby steps. Don't try to get with a girl just to automatically get a girlfriend. Focus on the friend part first, and if you feel some sparks fly ask her out for a cup of coffee or something.
 
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