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[GunBR]

Finishers have become signature moves and that's fine if we can still have a finisher somehow. The excitement of a finishing move is that people wait the whole match for it and they KNOW, when that move hits, it's over. It's anticipation for the ending of the match. People don't start popping for 'finishing moves' because they know it could be an easy kickout. It makes matches seem anti-climatic sometimes. People don't start cheering until the match is over, when they should be freaking out just before the match ends.

Hell, when Jake the Snake used to do his short-arm clothesline, people freaked the fuck out because that meant DDT, and the DDT was the END of a match.


Edit: Side Note, I hope we get at least a small follow up with John Stewart. they had a great segment based mostly around the idea that Rollins was a chump who wasn't even in the main match and didn't deserve the MITB case. He came through huge.

IMO make the finisher always end the match would make everything really predictable
Last night after the spear I really though that Reings would win in that minute, but no

 

[Mahonay]

Ambrose should be a tweener.

I think that was his plan too.

WWE said nah, you're going to be a comedy midcarder. Have fun! You're a zany loose canon! What's he gonna do with that hotdog cart??

 

[Mr.Swag]

They should pair Renee with Ambrose so that she can be on TV more

 

[OctoMan]

Well this is also the same company that claims over 76 thousand people were at Levi's Stadium yesterday. Being there in person, there wasn't even close to that many people there.

How many do you think we're there? It seats 7 for football I think it's safe to say it could fit 6k more last night even with an end closed off. The pictures confirm it was full.

 

[Ferny]

Ambrose is boring as fuck. I just don't get it. Oh well, that's why Seth is champ.

Honestly...I'm right there with you. Every Ambrose match is basically the same thing.

 

[Hex]

WWE stock down 11% today

Dont know why, thought they had a great show, and they brought in like $12 million at the gate supposedly.

Maybe a good time to buy?

The Terminator entrance and the Sting match.
Shareholders realize that no matter how much talent they get, it is still the Triple Paul Ego Show.

 

[BkMogul]

April is free? Christ. That's what you get when your main focus is kids. They don't give a shit about the Network. The only chance at decent to good subs is if they get live RAW which will probably happen never.

Not even that. Just put RAW up 24 hours after the initial broadcast (hell, I'd settle for 48) and I'd be on there. But I guess TV rights and such...

 

[Officerrob]

How many do you think we're there? It seats 7 for football I think it's safe to say it could fit 6k more last night even with an end closed off. The pictures confirm it was full.

Toki was there and saying is wasn't full while posting during the actual event

 

[Cybit]

Not even that. Just put RAW up 24 hours after the initial broadcast (hell, I'd settle for 48) and I'd be on there. But I guess TV rights and such...

They tried to get that during the last contract; but USA wants it for a month. (Hulu gets away with 24h because of Comcast / NBC shenanigans). I'd pull NXT off of Hulu, though.

 

[BadAss2961]

I think that was his plan too.

WWE said nah, you're going to be a comedy midcarder. Have fun! You're a zany loose canon! What's he gonna do with that hotdog cart??

I always thought the obvious plan was to push Rollins and Reigns more out the gate because they needed it, while Ambrose could take a backseat for awhile since he has the personality to carry himself. So they could all be main eventers in the long run.

But this is WWE... They're shortsighted and suck at planning long term. So I don't know if Ambrose will still make it, or if Reigns will be what they want him to be.

 

[BigMastadon]

Not even that. Just put RAW up 24 hours after the initial broadcast (hell, I'd settle for 48) and I'd be on there. But I guess TV rights and such...

TV Rights is the bitch in all of this. I wish this wasn't the case -_-

 

[OctoMan]

Toki was there and saying is wasn't full while posting during the actual event

I've seen every angle of the stadium from the main event....it was full. Maybe not earlier in the show with people but it was full for the last match. At most missing a couple seats although you could never tell that.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

They took him away for a while but then rushed him back because they didn't have enough 'main event level' guys. He got a huge pop despite only being gone for a short while, so the doomsaying about his character has always been overblown, but he does need a break for a while until they have something good for him.

Vince has completely forgotten about how to make fans yearn for something. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

WWE's content needs have REALLY worn them down in the last year or so. I'm so burned out on almost everyone on the main roster, other than Bork. Rusev and Rollins are the only full-timer exceptions, really.

Wyatt, for example, is great at his character, and most of his promos, taken on their own, are fine. The problem is that having him there ALL THE TIME creates the problem of him seeming like he's just rambling on about nothing.

Ditto Ambrose. I love the rebound lariat, but it's not funny or clever after the fiftieth time you've seen it in a year.

 

[BobTheFork]

IMO make the finisher always end the match would make everything really predictable
Last night after the spear I really though that Reings would win in that minute, but no

The ending is predicted by the finisher yes, but the move itself is unpredictable. I think that's the idea, that you don't know when it's coming but if you see it you know it's over. I'm not talking about Hogan's 5 minute finisher either where you watch some crap play out and already know it's going to end. Either way, the pop for the move will (and has) die if people don't think it's going to matter.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Ambrose needs to drop that rope thing, it was fine the first time he did it but now it seems like he doesn't several times during a single match, even if it's only one time in a match he still does it way, way, way too much..


I'm also tired of WWE abusing the finisher kick out false finishes.

 

[Cybit]

I always thought the obvious plan was to push Rollins and Reigns more out the gate because they needed it, while Ambrose could take a backseat for awhile since he has the personality to carry himself. So they could all be main eventers in the long run.

But this is WWE... They're shortsighted and suck at planning long term. So I don't know if Ambrose will still make it, or if Reigns will be what they want him to be.

I think the plan has been for Rollins to be the guy for 2015 (the storyline has been pretty much paint by numbers since the break-up of the Shield); while Reigns gets groomed to help take Cena's place over time. Once Lesnar re-signed; they have their ass kicking babyface of dominance sort of created. You now have time to work on Reigns rather than having to hot shot him to the top because of injuries (Bryan), age (Cena), or contracts expiring (Lesnar).

 

[Nocturnowl]

Ambrose needs to drop that rope thing, it was fine the first time he did it but now it seems like he doesn't several times during a single match, even if it's only one time in a match he still does it way, way, way too much..


I'm also tired of WWE abusing the finisher kick out false finishes.

And more often than not coming off the move he has the rope bouncing momentum of AJ or Kelly Kelly so it just looks weak.
The times it does work are neat but that's not usually how it plays out.

 

[Moofers]

I've not watched WWF wrestling since something like 1999 or 2000. I heard nWo and Sting were at Wrestlemania and it sounds like Goldberg made an appearance? I'm totally intrigued.

Is there a place that has a decent recap of the show last night?

Also, am I reading this right that the WWE network is free next month? So I could watch the whole thing in 2 days from now?

Thanks in advance!

 

[The Elite]

I've not watched WWF wrestling since something like 1999 or 2000. I heard nWo and Sting were at Wrestlemania and it sounds like Goldberg made an appearance? I'm totally intrigued.

Is there a place that has a decent recap of the show last night?

Also, am I reading this right that the WWE network is free next month? So I could watch the whole thing in 2 days from now?

Thanks in advance!

No Goldberg.

 

[slit]

I've not watched WWF wrestling since something like 1999 or 2000. I heard nWo and Sting were at Wrestlemania and it sounds like Goldberg made an appearance? I'm totally intrigued.

Is there a place that has a decent recap of the show last night?

Also, am I reading this right that the WWE network is free next month? So I could watch the whole thing in 2 days from now?

Thanks in advance!

No Goldberg made no appearance.

DX battled NWO during Triple H vs Sting.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I've not watched WWF wrestling since something like 1999 or 2000. I heard nWo and Sting were at Wrestlemania and it sounds like Goldberg made an appearance? I'm totally intrigued.

Is there a place that has a decent recap of the show last night?

Also, am I reading this right that the WWE network is free next month? So I could watch the whole thing in 2 days from now?

Thanks in advance!

http://network.wwe.com has the entire show if you're a subscriber.

Don't bet on Network being free next month.

 

[Toki767]

http://network.wwe.com has the entire show if you're a subscriber.

Don't bet on Network being free next month.

Don't be silly. WWE already announced the Network is free in April to new subscribers.

 

[Officerrob]

http://network.wwe.com has the entire show if you're a subscriber.

Don't bet on Network being free next month.

Already confirmed that April is another free month

 

[BigMastadon]

http://network.wwe.com has the entire show if you're a subscriber.

Don't bet on Network being free next month.

They already said it is for NEW subscribers.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Don't be silly. WWE already announced the Network is free in April to new subscribers.

Already confirmed that April is another free month

They already said it is for NEW subscribers.

Goddamn where the fuck yall gettin this news, shit

It's almost like I'm out of touch with WWE

 

[RP912]

Goddamn where the fuck yall gettin this news, shit

It's almost like I'm out of touch with WWE

Vince McMahon
no more brown bags for my meals
(Today, 01:19 PM)

 

[bigkrev]

Well this is also the same company that claims over 76 thousand people were at Levi's Stadium yesterday. Being there in person, there wasn't even close to that many people there.

They can lie on Television as much as they want. They aren't allowed to lie to their shareholders

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

AV Club review

This year’s WrestleMania literally ends with “The Self-Proclaimed Future Of The WWE” amazingly winning the WWE World Heavyweight title, but such a moment doesn’t erase the rest of the show before it. That’s not how any of this works. The lows and the highs at the end don’t dictate how good or bad the rest of the card and show were.

[The Tag Team Fatal 4 Way] a great match, but putting aside the fact that it’s not on the main card, the match itself is basically the exact opposite of what WrestleMania 31’s major problem is: because it was a series of fun moments made even better by it being a bunch of young, talented individuals laying it all out in the ring. Assuming you believe the rumor that the reason the WrestleMania logo features a “play” symbol instead of Roman numerals is because of Vince’s worry that the latter makes it come across as old, it makes even less sense when you think about how this show isn’t actually worried about youth or building new stars.

The argument that all anyone is going to remember is the Miz/Mizdow of it all (if anything) is flawed on numerous levels. First of all, that’s the WWE’s argument when it comes to re-writing history (even if it’s as small as whether or not Cena can lift Big Show), a lack of want or expectation for the audience to remember things. Second of all, Big Show’s biggest spots in this match come in the form of destroying the “future.” Hideo Itami. New Day. Cesaro. Mizdow. Third of all, the commentary touts this as being the last notch he had to get in his belt, but the only way that works is if he announces a retirement soon. He has nothing else to do, which is the root of a lot of the problems with the WWE’s old guard refusing to (to take an old WWE catchphrase) “get the F out.”

The worst part of watching the run-ins from [DX and the nWo] in Sting versus Triple H isn’t even a very WCW booking situation—it’s very much TNA Wrestling circa 2010-2013. Look up “Main Event Mafia” and “Immortal” in relation to TNA. What do you see? It this match, only without a requisite “What’s Paul Levesque doing in the iMPACT Zone?” joke (until just now).

The problem going into [Cena vs. Rusev] was always that Rusev winning would essentially “make” him. It would set him for life in this business, however long that is. No one is going to care if he gets back a win against Cena at Extreme Rules. It’s the problem that often comes up with Cena losses often, in that they only happen when no one cares.

Please don’t get me wrong, but with all this talk of using guys like Bryan and Cena to elevate the mid-card titles, no one is really pointing out that WWE should have done better to elevate Barrett and (to a much lesser extent) Rusev in the first place. The Intercontinental title still won’t mean a damn if Daniel Bryan is booked the way Bad News Barrett has always been booked with the championship. None of these titles mean anything if the work behind them meaning anything isn’t there on everyone’s parts.

Lana: “I will never show compassion again.” Then she walked to the ring with the fur and the belt. Then there was a tank. Then I defected to Russia.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

AV Club review

Pretty nitpicky.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

 

[RP912]

I wonder when will the WWE ever break the Silverdome record because damn that arena looked huge and packed.

 

[Mahonay]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

It starts with not coming up with the lamest possible booking on a weekly basis for the entire year. You can set up all the dream matches you want, but you're not hitting 100k with another year like this one. Last night's show was so great partly due to the fact it's in contrast to the horrible drivel we've been subjected to up until this point.

 

[HeisenbergLannister]

So the nXt specials are monthly now? Awesome.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I wonder when will the WWE ever break the Silverdome record because damn that arena looked huge and packed.

Well the Silverdome record is only for an indoor sporting event (and the NBA apparently broke it recently). There's been some bigger wrestling shows than that (namely NJPW/WCW's Collision in Korea, which had around ~160,000 attendees).

 

[bigkrev]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

Rock and Rousey vs HHH and Steph is probably the biggest match they could do if they aren't able to convince Steve Austin to come out of retirement for a match or something.

 

[Anth0ny]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

Rock/HHH
Austin/Punk
Cena/Hogan
Taker/Brock 2

 

[Fushin]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

An Undertaker retirement match vs Sting would do decent numbers just for the spectacle alone.

 

[Hasney]

An Undertaker retirement match vs Sting would do decent numbers just for the spectacle alone.

Christ, they'd need even more run ins to save that one.

 

[DrZeus]

Stings bald spot made me sad.

Sting should've been went great muta mode and went all bald and got a cool as mask with his design. Imagine him bald with a redesigned scorpion or crow mask. Would be cool as shit if done right. Japan always ahead of the game.

 

[BigMastadon]

They'll fill up AT&T Stadium even if they have to hand out 1/4 of the tickets.

 

[Ithil]

So the WWE has to fill up a 100k stadium next year. If I were them I'd be planning ahead right now because I can't possibly imagine anything they do drawing 100k.

They aren't really going to be filling up a 100k arena, with the WM setup, they'll probably be seating about 80,000. Which is still a massive number, but they will pretend they sold out 105k or whatever, just like they give a fake record breaking number every WM.

 

[RP912]

Well the Silverdome record is only for an indoor sporting event (and the NBA apparently broke it recently). There's been some bigger wrestling shows than that (namely NJPW/WCW's Collision in Korea, which had around ~160,000 attendees).

well damn o_o. Inoki and flair really do put butts into seats.

 

[Nocturnowl]

Christ, they'd need even more run ins to save that one.

Every incarnation of Kane thus far might get us halfway there, might.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

well damn o_o. Inoki and flair really do put butts into seats.

It's more that Inoki's good friend Kim Jong-il literally ordered people's asses into seats.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

I am sad over what Rusev will become now that he lost to John Cena. Will he forever be in low to mid-card hell?

What a great entrance.

 

[Data West]

Christ, they'd need even more run ins to save that one.

I know just the man to call.

 

[TomShoe]

I am sad over what Rusev will become now that he lost to John Cena. Will he forever be in low to mid-card hell?

What a great entrance.

I'll be disappointed if Rusev becomes the next Vladimir Kozlov. Unlike Kozlov, Rusev is great on both the mic and in the ring.

 

[Ithil]

Well the Silverdome record is only for an indoor sporting event (and the NBA apparently broke it recently). There's been some bigger wrestling shows than that (namely NJPW/WCW's Collision in Korea, which had around ~160,000 attendees).

The Silverdome record is also a worked number. Real number was about 78k.

 

[The Elite]

They knew Rusev was losing at Mania for months. Hopefully they came up with a strategy.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I've seen better wrestling shows (but make no mistake this was still absolute top tier) but with so many moments to send the crowd into hysterics, I can easily see how that would have been the best live experience ever. It must have been a fantastic crowd to have been a part of. Watching it back people will argue that the Sting match made no sense out that the Ronda Rousey segment dragged on but I guarantee you they must have been amazing to experience live.

I was at the Raw after Mania 29 and when you watch it back it was far from the greatest wrestling show ever if you discount the crowd. Being part of that crowd though, my God it was one of the greatest nights of my life.

A fantastic live crowd hugely elevates the live event experience.

Yep. I was there, and there were so many "holy shit" surprise moments and reasons for everyone to lose it. It was the best live wrestling show I've ever seen. I wish I could relive Seth's music hitting forever, I can't even explain the adrenaline rush I got from it. And now we get to bring that energy to Raw.