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Draft one complete. Was mostly a pain in the ass, but when I did my pre-editing, I found that I was pretty happy with how the first fifty pages turned out. So, I'm dubbing it fixable.
In total, it took 104 days from start to finish.
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Imagine. That other universes exist.
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In this universe chapters are negative numbers. That work up to zero.
- 1.
So what happens before the story starts?
Chapter 0. Prologue.
Nothing. Apparently.
Chapter 1.
[novel starts from here]
Draft one complete. Was mostly a pain in the ass, but when I did my pre-editing, I found that I was pretty happy with how the first fifty pages turned out. So, I'm dubbing it fixable.
In total, it took 104 days from start to finish.
Fuck, I salute you for tackling that in Word! Congratulations!
What's wrong with Word?
Nothing really, it is what I use.
But at 50k+ words it really starts to struggle.
My first novel was about 150k words on first draft and I was using Word 2003 or something. That was a bit of a problem. Took forever to open the document and spellcheck stopped working around page 60. But I'm using I think 2007 and it handled this document without any issues. Little slow to open sometimes, but that's alright.Nothing really, it is what I use.
But at 50k+ words it really starts to struggle.
The weird thing it, though its sort of a rewrite of the my first novel, it's all going to be new material, and that's why I was wondering whether or not I should maybe try to redo it. It's a weird situation, but I'll try to explain it. Think of my novel as having two halfs, pre and post timeskip. For last year, the only stuff I managed to write was in the pre timeskip part, which is very different from the post timeskip part, and didn't managed to even touch any of the material that will be in the second half. Since the stuff I'll be writing for this year's NaNo is exclusively in the post timeskip part, a.k.a. ideas I never even tried putting to paper last year, that's where the ambiguity of whether I should try it comes in. If it was just "rewrite events I already did, but this time, better", I wouldn't do it, since I'd never get anything done that way, but since it's new, I'm unsure.
Ha, after all that shit I talked about not needing to cut stuff, I just wrapped up a 6000-plus word chapter on my novel in progress that's going to need to be heavily cut down in a future draft.
It does? Never had a problem even after my 160k word novel.
Popped into email a few minutes after the stroke of midnight made it my birthday too.
Won't know till you try, yada yada yada. That said, I do think it's worth a shot. You present it like a con, but it could also be a plus. Haven't read your thing, but a Dutch SF story already sounds more interesting than most things. I guess it all comes down to how much of your culture you put in the novel, how Dutch is it? The more so, means the more different it is from most things in the market.Just out of curiosity, could it be worth pitching a novel written directly in English if the writer isn't a native speaker? I mean, I know this sounds ludicrous, but the market for (hard-ish) science fiction is already small as it is and the market in my native language is laughable. I've also never seen a Dutch sf-book in any book store, ever. English, yes. But not in Dutch. Translated (poorly) from English is also rare, unless it's a franchise.
I would be content with self-publishing, but having access to vital resources (editor, cover design, etc) saves an incredible amount of time, and a lot of figuring out how to invent the wheel. There is also the risk of becoming limited to 'the indy boonies' by self-publishing, too.
Draft one complete. Was mostly a pain in the ass, but when I did my pre-editing, I found that I was pretty happy with how the first fifty pages turned out. So, I'm dubbing it fixable.
In total, it took 104 days from start to finish.
The thing about writing books over long periods of time is everything appears to have had a great deal of thought when actually it's a five minute burst of inspiration in the shower.
Five years it took for me to unstick a sticky issue in the first chapter of a novel I started writing ten years ago.
I chalk it up to being stupid and stubbornAh man, looking at that word tally has totally inspired me to finish my nano from last year. Gonna try and get it done before this one comes up. Also congrats. I'm always jealous of you guys and how you finish such long projects.
I chalk it up to being stupid and stubborn
Good luck on your NaNo!
Like I said, it makes more sense in the story.
"Golem" might change in the next draft, but I'm sticking with it for now just for consistency. It doesn't have quite the right flavor, but I'm not sure there's a better word for humanoid stone statues brought to life by magic.
I have a lot of trouble opening and saving larger documents (It'll start to lock them and do other funny things). Could just be one of those things.
Happy birthday!
GAF,
I've always liked writing, but the only thing I have ever completed was a 200 page script for a game a friend and I are making.
A lot of times I just feel... I dunno, like I don't have anything worthwhile to say or tell. I generally like to write stories I personally would want to read, but most of the time that stuff is pretty derivative at best and sloppy at worst. I've always wanted to try my hand at poetry, but lack the structure or style.
I dunno. I don't particularly feel inspired lately, which is upsetting.
Ive only read A Dribble of Ink on a couple of occasions, each time being impressed by the writing, but these were essays or articles, not fiction, and included other contributors than Moher himself. Here Im a little sad to say that I found the writing a bit florid, delivering a functional if pedestrian text while repeatedly resorting to lyric flourishes of the rosy-fingered dawn sort. Not bad, but far from outstanding by any means, and the cover quote I see on Amazon (Delightful! says Brian Staveley, author of The Emperors Blades, so I think Ill do him next) seems generous in my opinion.
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Writers and editors can be different entities, but they can inhabit the same one body as well. The grim, sometime truth is that writers who edit themselves often dont, at least not as effectively as they might do the work of someone else. In this case, these are stories the author admits have lived long in his proverbial trunk, those that kept pulling at his attention down the years yet not stories that were picked up elsewhere. Perhaps that is a telling fact.
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Tide of Shadows seems a workmanlike effort, not a must-buy, but something I would pick up and give over an afternoon to if it caught my eye on discount day.
An excerpt from a later story might not be a bad idea at all, though your style/tone change so much that it's hard for me to pick which one you should go with. More review blurbs ain't a bad idea at all though!Had an interesting review of my book pop up today. It specifically focuses on the sample available through booksellers (the first 10%, I think).
For those interested, you can read the whole thing here: https://thesamplereader.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/tide-of-shadows/
Certainly brought to light some issues that I could potentially address re: the sample, including adding an excerpt from one of the later stories at the front of the book, adding review blurbs, etc. Also, starting a collection of stories with (what I consider) the weakest story might not be a great idea. The reviewer makes a lot of broad generalizations about my writing based on a small portion of the book, which is very similar behaviour to that of potential buyers checking out the sample.
Lots to think about, certainly.
Had an interesting review of my book pop up today. It specifically focuses on the sample available through booksellers (the first 10%, I think).
For those interested, you can read the whole thing here: https://thesamplereader.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/tide-of-shadows/
Certainly brought to light some issues that I could potentially address re: the sample, including adding an excerpt from one of the later stories at the front of the book, adding review blurbs, etc. Also, starting a collection of stories with (what I consider) the weakest story might not be a great idea. The reviewer makes a lot of broad generalizations about my writing based on a small portion of the book, which is very similar behaviour to that of potential buyers checking out the sample.
Lots to think about, certainly.
Well, given some of their fantasy novels I've read, I think mine fits into their business model, at least somewhat. They've put out a novella with talking animal people recently, so now that isn't working against me either. Or it is in that they don't want to publish more than one talking animal people story.I don't think that really makes sense. If you don't like anything published by Tor, they're probably not a fit for you. So if they reject you, it means... they aren't a good fit for you.
An excerpt from a later story might not be a bad idea at all, though your style/tone change so much that it's hard for me to pick which one you should go with. More review blurbs ain't a bad idea at all though!
And for what it's worth, I really dug your first story. Like, a lot.
Ya can't please everyone, but also fuck that guy for reading a sample and then reviewing based off of your essay and probably the first six pages.
It does highlight stuff to think about in terms of what shows first to buyers and how to better present stronger blurbs up front, but I still think it's a bit unfair to post a review-esque critique with just that small excerpt. Might be worth sending him a full copy for a follow-up proper review to see if his thoughts change on the book. It might be seen a defensive gesture, though. :/
I'm thinking of sending my book to TOR, or at least, the first three chapters per their submission guidelines. The thing is, i've never read a book published by them I like, so that means if they reject me, I'm worse than the worst and oh god ._.
Haven't read any of those authors. Haven't heard of mostMan. I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion about Tor, who I consider to be the preeminent SFF publisher of the last 40 years. They've published:
- Ursula K. Le Guin
- Gene Wolfe
- Elizabeth Bear
- James Tiptree Jr.
- Robert Silverberg
- Max Gladstone
- Phillip K. Dick
- Leigh Brackett
- Fritz Leiber
- Samuel R. Delany
- Joan Vinge
- Steven Brust
- Brandon Sanderson
- Sarah Monette/Katherine Addison
- Steven Erikson
- Andre Norton
- Maureen McHugh
- Jack Vance
- Kim Stanley Robinson
- and so many other wonderful writers.
And they're the worst of the worst?
Haven't read any of those authors. Haven't heard of most
It's hard to know where to start with fantasy books because there are so many and so many are terrible! Plus, every one of them wants to be a long-running series, and gawd I don't have time.bro wat r u doing
Where should I start >.<Aidan said:Well, then, I'm incredibly envious of you. There's a lot of terrific reading ahead of you.
Where should I start >.<
I want to talk about the reality of being a debut author, because nobody actually talked to me about those numbers. What defined success? What should I expect? Was I a failure if I sold fewer than 80,000 copies? Fewer than 20,000? I know selling 100 is bad, but outside that .?
The average book sells 3000 copies in its lifetime (Publishers Weekly, 2006).
Yes. Its not missing a zero.
Take a breath and read that again.
But wait, theres more!
The average traditionally published book which sells 3,000 in its entire lifetime in print only sells about 250-300 copies its first year.
But Im going indie! you say. My odds are better!
No, grasshopper. Your odds are worse.
The average digital only author-published book sells 250 copies in its lifetime.
Its not missing a zero.
A really interesting look at raw sales data from Kameron Hurley:
Kameron Hurley said:The average digital only author-published book sells 250 copies in its lifetime.
Its not missing a zero.
Kameron Hurley said:There are authors authors you may have heard of who have sold a couple hundred copies of a title in its lifetime. Ive seen publisher spreadsheets that show some authors selling just a dozen copies over eight months. I remember one author had sold four copies in twelve months and I thought for sure it was a typo but it wasnt.
I remember one author had sold four copies in twelve months and I thought for sure it was a typo but it wasnt.
Good god that was depressing. :[ Not that surprising in a way, because corporate money and business and consumer TPS reports, but still depressing.A really interesting look at raw sales data from Kameron Hurley:
I got an ARC copy of a Jen Lancaster novel and it had her marketing strategy listed on it. She's a NY Times bestseller so it had stuff that the midlist writer wouldn't necessarily do.Actaully, this brings to mind a question: When you submit to publishers (and some agents), they ask you what your marketing strategy is? I've ignored all of those for now because I have no idea how to answer that question. If I was a marketing wiz, I'd self publish and make bank because marketing wiz. But I'm not. Best I can think of is targeted ads on websites and maybe I dunno, appearing on podcasts when possible.
Yeah. LIke, you can't just will a television campaign into existence It's why podcasting might work better, since midrange podcasts can be open to skype interviews. Plus, those are more freeform conversations.I got an ARC copy of a Jen Lancaster novel and it had her marketing strategy listed on it. She's a NY Times bestseller so it had stuff that the midlist writer wouldn't necessarily do.
Her marketing campaign was:
National television appearances and radio interviews
10 city book tour
print reviews and features
blog tour
national advertising
social media promotion
summer reading groups
Goodreads/Net Galley give aways
Promos on her social media and website
Honestly I don't know how helpful most of that is for someone just starting out, you need to already have a platform for a lot of it to help. For self-publishers most people say the best way to market is to write and publish more books.
A really interesting look at raw sales data from Kameron Hurley:
Yeah. LIke, you can't just will a television campaign into existence It's why podcasting might work better, since midrange podcasts can be open to skype interviews. Plus, those are more freeform conversations.
The blog tour is interesting, and I keep forgetting sites like Goodreads exist. Social media promotion is only as good as your platform, of which mine consists of maybe 80 people but they're following me for my video game and not my writing.
This makes me feel better!The average digital only author-published book sells 250 copies in its lifetime.
22 sept.
[roughly five hundred words]
What I will try do today is to not fall into my lazy habit of writing whatever is on my mind, but treat the piece like I would any given story.
Put simply, Given topic A; write meditation Z.*
That's not to say you moralise the story; if I include morals in a story, it'd be to demonstrate that I'm interested in character 1's moral outlook. For example, how they break down their worldview, and how they go about addressing crisis 1,2,3.
Which led me to the following question: do I write agreeable characters so as to make the reader agreeable - or a better word 'malleable' - writing challenge week secondary bonus point! - with the argument presented?
Alternatively, do I write disagreeable characters so as to show a disagreeable outlook, so the reader agrees on a holistic scale to the argument presented in the book?
I think the instinct to 'be in the right' is natural and correlates to the human condition. e.g. being on the right side of arguments or right group.
So to bring all the above together, when asked in that very specific light, I tend to think that I do want people to agree with what the story is saying, and in turn agree with myself.
Except... when you ask straight up... I don't altogether care about stories being on the right side of an argument. I don't frame things like that. I try to write about 'realistic' beings. 9/10 times I'm placing them [ the characters] as they are. I sincerely believe that it's nonsensical to presume that if you show character A strangling a cat, the audience should presume to hate what character A stands for, and hate that too. E.g. left leaning party man strangles a cat, doesn't mean left leaning people are psychopaths. Though I suppose some people are more able to reason well than others. And my former statement doesn't account for that.
More often than not, the best outcome [that being the outcome I'd most like], given any story where the above is true [Given topic A; write meditation Z], the absolute best result, for me, is when the reader found the piece
a. didn't waste their time
or
b. enjoyed it.
The second best result is:
a. so this happened; given the topic, what do you think now?
[and I know it's ironic, but if a story makes you put the text down and pause for thought [in a positive way!] then they've really done well in engaging the reader to the highest degree.]
or
b. Goes back to the story at another point in time for a second reading. Whether that's to recapture what it made them feel in the first instance or to give the story a second pass.
I've just written what's on my mind haven't I? I'll write a story tomorrow.
*Yes, I'm more of a plotter, but the preceding statement works just as well for those who are good at writing [thinking!] on their feet... so to speak.
ps. Who am I talking to? I guess noone in particular is as good answer as any.
Pps. Who am I kidding, I'm talking to myself. A future self. A self nonetheless. This is what is going on inside my brain at nine pm on the night of the 22nd of September 2015.
I just realized I have no idea what a "blog tour" is. Care to explain anyone?blog tour
It's virtual book tour. There are companies that are partnered with book bloggers that you can contact and pay to set one up, or you can just reach out to bloggers and ask to make a guest blog post. Chuck Wendig posts a lot of them on his blog if you want to see what they're like, his are normally five things I learned while writing my book that's about to come out by guest author.I just realized I have no idea what a "blog tour" is. Care to explain anyone?