Gah, I'm so mad!

Gah, I'm so mad!
I find widescreen to be a very offensive aspect ratio.
That leak is too perfect to be real.
Sentry said:Damn shame that this will end up being their response to the 4" market. It's a cop out answer imo, and they might as well stick with 3.5 if that's the way they go with it.
But oh well, the devs will deal with it and it'll become the norm within no time. Just very little hype for something so insignificant. This is what Jobs was heavily invested in? Really? Something that a fucking internet forum poster came up with in his free time weeks ago? Meh.
Chronic confirmed it so it's true.That leak is too perfect to be real.
I'm starting to wonder about this as well.
I highly doubt that the last phone that Jobs worked on, that this is all there is to it.
At the expense of a good aspect ratio.I can easily see Jobs prioritizing the overall form factor over the screen size.
At the expense of a good aspect ratio.
I'd rather them keep 3:2 and bump up the form factor a bit than go to a widescreen aspect ratio, this shit sucks.
Well then one or the other has to be right, they already put it off with the 4S, there's no way they'll put off that project again with such a simple redesign.I highly doubt that the last phone that Jobs worked on, that this is all there is to it.
Worst part is I agree.May as well get a proper large-screened phone if you're going to have to switch to widescreen anyway.
/me whistles nonchalantly.
16:9 is an absolute trash ratio for anything that's primary purpose isn't watching TV/Movies and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.Now you're just pouting. It's a fucking aspect ratio that's industry standard in electronics, even on the other products that Apple produces (other than the iPad, which could be revised as well at next iteration). Well, the Macbooks are 16:10, but 16:9 is pretty close.
And who knows if this is even the final thing anyway. Apple probably had a hundred prototypes months ago, but I'd guess they probably have it whittled down to 5 or so by now.. The blogs could have just heard about a couple of them. Also, it's just an aspect ratio, and they're going to make it work right and feel perfect in the hand.
Extra keyboard row in portrait mode.I just don't see any real usability benefit to a taller screen. sites that use small columns don't become easier to read. sites with multiple small hit targets next to each other still require the same level of zoom to use.
the only benefit is fitting a little more text on screen. but, really, how many people read through an entire page top to bottom before scrolling. myself and most people I see using smartphones (or computers in general) read a few lines or a paragraph then scroll to keep the text in a narrow band near the middle of the screen. that extra little bit of text is going to seem damn near useless.
then, the downsides are the need for letterboxing on older apps with fixed layouts (not apps with top and bottom bars then content in the middle. but apps - mainly games - that fill the entire screen with custom controls). and then rework by devs on this third resolution to accommodate it natively. seems like a pain for absolutely minor benefit of more screen space for text.
oh, and I will just assume that the landscape keyboard will be reworked because i find it hard enough as it is to reach the middle keys in that mode, using my thumbs. if they keep it the same (with no blank spots in the middle) then it'll be even harder to use than it is now.
It's not an industry standard for smartphones, and for good reason.Now you're just pouting. It's a fucking aspect ratio that's industry standard in electronics, even on the other products that Apple produces (other than the iPad, which could be revised as well at next iteration). Well, the Macbooks are 16:10, but 16:9 is pretty close.
It is an industry standard for Android/Windows Phone.It's not an industry standard for smartphones, and for good reason.
He confirmed a bigger screen, not 16:9 rumor specifically. Or am I wrong? I don't follow the guy.Chronic confirmed it so it's true.
If they manage to make the phone substantially thinner within the same form factor/physical dimensions, consider me surprised. I don't think it's that possible, tbh. However, as the case leaks showed, that widening version allowed for it to be a lot thinner, so I think that's the only real way. I'm not sure what could be considerably changed with the form factor if it's the same dimensions, tbh.I can easily see Jobs prioritizing the overall form factor over the screen size.
lol You're insane. It would never happen. You're comparing apples and oranges here (no pun), Mac line and the aspect ratio 30"-24" screens is hardly the same or comparable to 3.5"-4" ones..Now you're just pouting. It's a fucking aspect ratio that's industry standard in electronics, even on the other products that Apple produces (other than the iPad, which could be revised as well at next iteration). Well, the Macbooks are 16:10, but 16:9 is pretty close.
And who knows if this is even the final thing anyway. Apple probably had a hundred prototypes months ago, but I'd guess they probably have it whittled down to 5 or so by now.. The blogs could have just heard about a couple of them. Also, it's just an aspect ratio, and they're going to make it work right and feel perfect in the hand.
Oh wow I stand corrected. Well it shouldn't beIt is an industry standard for Android/Windows Phone.
16:9 is an absolute trash ratio for anything that's primary purpose isn't watching TV/Movies and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
I think it's ok as well, but not for an iPhone upgrade or a cop-out solution to providing a 4" screen in the most unintelligible way possible, while giving a headache to developers without any tangible benefits.For tablets, I agree 100%. They should be 4:3.
Phones, I think it's ok on phones to have a narrower ratio since its supposed to be held in one hand, and needs to be held to the ear comfortably.
Oh thank god, what we've all be dying for! It'll all be worth it now.Extra keyboard row in portrait mode.
Extra keyboard row in portrait mode.
16:9 is an absolute trash ratio for anything that's primary purpose isn't watching TV/Movies and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
Treefingers said:It's not an industry standard for smartphones, and for good reason.
LCFiner said:sure, but that could be done with the current screen. and/or implement a hold command for number keys on the keyboard.
As far as whether the next iPad would be widescreen, isn't it common sense that if they update the iPhone to be widescreen that the iPad would be as well? Brand uniformity and all that?
Well yeah, but then you get less space for the content.sure, but that could be done with the current screen. and/or implement a hold command for number keys on the keyboard.
Well a huge benefit that I didn't think was much of one until my wife got the 4S on Friday was that when you're typing in portrait view, you can see a lot more of the conversation since there is more vertical space. Lot more room to see the conversation, so that's a benefit. I don't see any downsides to it really, then again I've been using it for 2 years now so I'm very used to it.
Actually, the majority of phones in the market are widescreen, but I wasn't speaking to that. I was just speaking of the Apple ecosystem itself.
As far as whether the next iPad would be widescreen, isn't it common sense that if they update the iPhone to be widescreen that the iPad would be as well? Brand uniformity and all that?
I really wish they had that now. Hopefully in next OS revision.
giga said:I'm fine with this.
No, just...no. No. That would be the opposite of common sense.
Nope. Not only isn't it common sense, but it isn't any kind of sense. You realize that the iPad isn't 3:2 like the current iPhone, right? Or that the iPhone is 4:3? There has never been such conformity in that regard. Hell, even the MBA 11" and 13" have different ratios. It depends on the usability experience, not conformity.As far as whether the next iPad would be widescreen, isn't it common sense that if they update the iPhone to be widescreen that the iPad would be as well? Brand uniformity and all that?
Well yeah, but then you get less space for the content.
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I'm fine with this.
I guess we'll see.. I'm cool with whatever they decide as I'm sure they have their reasons for making changes to the aspect ratio for the iPhone, or not making changes to it.
That's the one thing I'm not fine with. Thankfully no rumors are pointing to that.The trend for mockups with a capacitive home button to accommodate a 4" screen is becoming disturbing.
That's the one thing I'm not fine with. Thankfully no rumors are pointing to that.
Not all apps would be affected, but I agree.I have a hard time believing Apple will change the aspect ratio of the new iPhone forcing millions of devs to update their apps to support it. Half the sexiness of the Retina display was that it was backwards compatiable with the previous display meaning devs had the option of updating their apps to take advantage of it or just let it scale on it's own.
Not happening.Well maybe iOS6 will launch on the new iPhone and will (finally) force devs to start developing resolution independent apps. From a design/development perspective, switch from absolute to relative positioning and sizing is always a good idea, if it is achievable.
I actually really like the look of this.
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http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/22/likely-next-generation-iphone-with-3-9-inch-display-1136-x-640-resolution-in-testing/
Not happening.
Erm.. universal apps?iOS6 on new iPhone or res independent design? Also, because it's a stupid idea or because of some 'Apple philosophy'? Heh, it will earn them a bit less cash if a single purchase of an app would work and look great on both phone and tablet.
Not to mention how feasible would it be to fit a bigger screen in the same form factor while possibly even making it thinner?The next iPhone has already had its Home button leaked. It's just like the current one, so that won't fit.
The latter and the former.iOS6 on new iPhone or res independent design? Also, because it's a stupid idea or because of some 'Apple philosophy'? Heh, it would earn them a bit less cash if a single purchase of an app would work and look great on both phone and tablet.
The latter and the former.
Also, their are already plenty of universal apps.
Extra keyboard row in portrait mode.
one thing this might make more complicated, is universal apps. The apect ratio of ipad-iphone would diverge even more
I find widescreen to be a very offensive aspect ratio.