funkystudent
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I forget the details but He did something real bad to his spine and was basically wheelchair bound for several years.
Dude is lucky to be walking again.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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I forget the details but He did something real bad to his spine and was basically wheelchair bound for several years.
Dude is lucky to be walking again.
"And where's Wade Barrett now?"
I've got some Bad News...
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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He had a spinal stroke. According to him his doctor said it was just a freak accident. He worked out and went to his hotel and was paralyzed or something like that. He's in much better shape today.
TheFakeMccoy
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I have been a wrestling fan since I can remember and I am now 39 years old. But over the past 10 years the business has basically died in my opinion, and nothing will bring it back in the near future.
It will take a full blown Attitude Era complete with bloody matches and plenty of steel chairs to the head. Which will never happen again and rightfully so due to concussions and other head trauma. Even if the WWE had the talent on the mic which they don't they can never go extreme enough to grab mainstream attention again.
It will take a full blown Attitude Era complete with bloody matches and plenty of steel chairs to the head. Which will never happen again and rightfully so due to concussions and other head trauma. Even if the WWE had the talent on the mic which they don't they can never go extreme enough to grab mainstream attention again.
The Albatross
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I don't think that people want extreme wrestling. The whole "Videos of people hurting themselves" used to be popular 10 years go but I don't know who is into watching Jackass-like videos anymore.
WWE needs to do a lot, but the fact that there's nothing else to watch on TV is a major problem for WWE, which won't get any different ideas and nothing to push their style forward.
WWE needs to do a lot, but the fact that there's nothing else to watch on TV is a major problem for WWE, which won't get any different ideas and nothing to push their style forward.
TheFakeMccoy
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Extreme draws the headlines and word of mouth. Like it or not the violence is what drew the ratings they saw in the late 90's early 2000's. Look at the NFL even with all the evidence of head trauma they continue to dominate ratings consistently.
Reading this makes me wonder where Barrett would be if Nexus won that match. I saw a video that mentioned him beating Taker at a Mania and ending the streak. No idea if that's true though.
Byakuya769
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The Albatross
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You think the NFL draws ratings because of head trauma? No, it's because of fantasy football and balanced, competitive product.
I'm thankful that WWE is "pg" these days because if these stupid story lines were R-rated or worse it'd be cringe-worthy, embarrassingly bad. They're stupid storylines now, but not generally offensive.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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PG means no blood though. Wrestling without blood is like football without tackling
Autumn Wind
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WWE no but I would recommend the Kayfabe Commentaries shoot series especially back to the territories and Timeline history of WWE, WCW, and ECW.
The Albatross
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Can't really tell if you're being serious or not, I'm not in enough of these discussions. If you're being serious, this is a ridiculous argument as tackling is the central part of ending a play in football, and blading is absolutely unneccesary, but can be effective to add drama to a match. But when somebody is "busted wide open" in every match it looses its effect. Plus, today, everybody knows that no wrestlers are 'busted open,' they blade themselves. When Hart / Austin had that famous submission match, and Austin added color even against Vince's wishes, it added so much to the match. When every match has excessive blood in it, it's not special and, frankly, unnecessarily dangerous.
Saying that blading is to wrestling as tackling is to football does not make any sense. If blading were a football analogy it would be like head hunting, completely unnecessary and dangerous to players.
Just looked this up as I hadn't heard of it...
Is there like an unwritten rule that wrestling fan websites need to be HORRIBLE?
That reads like Cena knew what he was doing the entire time and the "oops, I was wrong" after the fact was just an attempt to save face.
EzekelRAGE
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Stopped watching a while ago. I just "keep up" by listening to the solomonster podcast. Nothing compels me to watch it. Hearing solomonster say how boring it is etc doesnt help.
Better fleshed out stories/characters would help a lot. I get the urge watch it when I see the gifs of New Day having a ball, but seems like it would be a chore to watch the rest of it. Bray caught my attn when he first arrived, but they messed that up.
Better fleshed out stories/characters would help a lot. I get the urge watch it when I see the gifs of New Day having a ball, but seems like it would be a chore to watch the rest of it. Bray caught my attn when he first arrived, but they messed that up.
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Legitimately makes me laugh so many people are mad at Cena. He does great things. He's bigger than wrestling. A true superstar.
Most people outside of the wrestling audience have no clue who John Cena is. He's not The Rock.
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LOL
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I was halfway joking. Obviously it isn't like tackling, but it's completely essential to wrestling. It should obviously be used sparingly for grudge matches or certain types of matches like cage matches.
Having an entire PPV based around the concept of a Hell and a Cell match without being able to blade for instance is patently absurd.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Watched RAW tonight and no shit ratings are bad when you have a commercial break every 2 minutes. Barely anything happens and you're taken out of the show, its fucking horrible and thats regardless of the stale ass, repetitive content.
1999 wasn't that violent for WWF. 1998 was just for Foley but it didn't need to be. People got behind Foley 100x more for Mr Socko than they did Hell in a Cell. After Hell in a Cell most fans still didn't care about Foley and I believe he was thinking about retiring. Things like Hell in a Cell and chairshots never needed to happen. Ratings wouldn't have been any different. People were tuning in for the Rock and Austin/McMahon and DX.
JesseEwiak
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Their commercial breaks are the same they've ever been. You just don't have 90 second matches like the Attitude Era now.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Times have drastically changed. You have streaming services that teach the consumer to sit through maybe one or two ads for an hour of entertainment, todays audience has no time for commercials, specially when WWE themselves put all the highlights on youtube a couple of hours later.
Theyre doing everything they can for me to not watch the show live:
-nothing important happens
-booking is extremely repetitive
-highlights are immediately available (legally!)
-PPV event matches are announced way before they are announced via kayfabe
-commercials and timing are 10 years behind the curve
Why watch live?
The Albatross
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This is a very good point and one that I always forget. Mic Foley did not become huge draw until Mankind became a comic relief to the Austin / Undertaker / McMahon feud, which were very serious.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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1999 was the year Rock hit Foley in the head with 18 unprotected chair shots or whatever which is way worse than anything he did in 1998.
No. I still get pumped watching this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4xCM5waFlE
Just listen to the crowd. These segments will always hold because of the energy and authenticity guys like Stone Cold brought to the table. Today none of the characters are remotely interesting.
That was one thing, was totally stupid and unnecessary, didn't make anyone care any more about the feud, fans cared just as much about the Rock and Mankind hitting each other with bags of popcorn in their empty arena match.
Carnby
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That swerve was so awful, I instantly stopped watching wwe until 2011.
Wut. It was a very memorable moment of a great fued. Don't play the revisionist.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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How do you get Raw on your iPad? I want this magic live Raw outside television.
shoryukens
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Divas Revolution is a mess
Rollins being overexposed as well being booked as a punk bitch who loses to everyone
The Bray/Roman feud is boring
The promos are too long and straight up the worst thing
It's 3 fucking hours
I can go on but I can't say I'm surprised.
Rollins being overexposed as well being booked as a punk bitch who loses to everyone
The Bray/Roman feud is boring
The promos are too long and straight up the worst thing
It's 3 fucking hours
I can go on but I can't say I'm surprised.
Can stream non-network channels to iPad with some providers. DirecTV being one of them.
Dudleys were a goofy tag team until RR 2000 versus The Hardy's. E&C/Hardy Boys were decent, but that ladder match at NM 1999 wasn't the norm for them - they still weren't particularly over or memorable until The Hardy's versus Dudleys feud. And even then the E&C everyone loves didn't show up until April 2000. Prior to that, they were just a decent generic tag team. Same with The Hardy Boys - adding Lita is when they really took off.
And that is actually a bad thing. 15 minute matches with a commercial break in the middle on free TV should not be the norm.
But, Kevin Owens...
funkystudent
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That poor guy.
He was a ass kicking bad guy for what? A month on the main roster before they turned him into the prototypical cowardly heel every main roster heel is.
Paracelsus
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He's fat and looks straight out a bingo hall. You don't want him as a champion.
You want a champion both men and women get turned on by.
That was actually the premise behind the Daniel Bryan vs Orton feud.
MindGamingMantis
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Pizza...mmmmmmm
What we really need is an anonymous Raw general manager.
cartoon_soldier
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Steph was fine during the whole master power angle.
Been that way for a while now. So fucking boring zzzzz.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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10 minute of commercial break followed by 5 minute of entrances and 2 minute of match. Cut back to 10 minute of commercial break.
I tuned into Raw today and that's exactly what I got with Sheamus match. Fuck off, WWE.
Seeing Stephanie emasculate the only act in WWE that seems to have any positive momentum (New Day) is fucking depressing.
Her ego is so big that she needs to be the heel that shits on everyone, but also the babyface that brought you Diva's Revolution and fighting breast cancer and heralding that Connor kid. She wants to have fun being a dick heel, but also the fun of getting pops by mentioning Brady in Boston.
And dont give me that shit "its her character", because quite frankly, i do not believe that is so much of a character, as it is just her wanting validation but also to have fun.
Her ego is so big that she needs to be the heel that shits on everyone, but also the babyface that brought you Diva's Revolution and fighting breast cancer and heralding that Connor kid. She wants to have fun being a dick heel, but also the fun of getting pops by mentioning Brady in Boston.
And dont give me that shit "its her character", because quite frankly, i do not believe that is so much of a character, as it is just her wanting validation but also to have fun.
Rafa=FedKilla
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And the worst part of all that is you got a Sheamus match.
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