UberTag
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Cesaro isn't Mexican or American enough to feud with ADR.
Perhaps after Cena gets through burying Del Rio upon his return to the roster.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Perhaps after Cena gets through burying Del Rio upon his return to the roster.
Ninja Scooter
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If they hadn't pushed the "Swiss superman" thing so hard Cesaro's gimmick could have been that nobody knows where the fuck he's from. Jericho could have her like "it would be my pleasure to team up with a fellow Canadian as talented as Cesaro!" While John Cena would be like "No matter what you do Cesaro I ain't gonna quit. I don't surrender like your home country does!"
UberTag
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I'm sure most casual WWE fans still think Santino Marella was Italian... and not a Canadian born and raised in Mississauga.
PHOENIXZERO
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But he is Italian, just not actually from Italy so it wasn't a complete gimmick aside from being a goof with a fake accent. At one time though he was Russian.
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Deleted member 47027
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It's been a really great show the past couple months. Some fantastic matches. Like REALLY fantastic matches. Do you watch for matches, or for storyline? Or for a combination of the two? Because Raw has been very, very good.
TemplaerDude
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Dude, are we watching the same show? Or are you just trying to live up to your username?
notworksafe
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I'd say for the most part both matches and story are on an upswing, with a few exceptions.
I don't know if you can blame Cena given how mediocre Del Rio is. Like Del Rio SHOULD have all the parts to be a superstar. But he's not that good in ring, his promos are average, he's too smug to be a face and yet not smug enough to be a heel. Dude is the epitome of someone pushed to the moon in spite of what he can actually do. If he was genuinely good at anything, he'd be an all-time great. As it stands, he's boring as shit.
This reads like Donald Trump posted it...
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Are you actually watching it? Because just last week, there were two matches I'd put in the upper echelon of matches this year that WWE has put on.
Neville vs Owens
Reigns vs Cesaro
Are you watching the same show? Those were GREAT. It might just be having nothing to compare it to, but five years ago we weren't getting this kind of great stuff. Sure, we had Bateaster, though...
blast0rama
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Their Mattel deal (which has made them one of the biggest toy lines) would have to fall through, USA would have to change their TV deal, and WWE would have to turn against the shareholder line of being a family friendly form of entertainment.
So...if they're looking out for their business interests? Not for a very long time.
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On top of that, the rating has no bearing on whether or not the shows are any good. I don't think anyone could seriously think the WWE would be better with a ramped up rating unless they changed their entire vision.
I do feel like there's room for HBO to take Lucha Underground and make it M-rated.
i really enjoyed the Neville vs Owens match but then i watched a lot of the ziggler/ambrose match and eventually gave up for the night, missed the Reigns/Cesaro.
Only thing I'll fault WWE for is throwing out a classic Survivor Series tag ON RAW and not promoting one for the PPV.
Not just repetitive, but predictable. I really enjoyed the Reigns/Cesaro match this week, for example, but would have actually been on the edge of my seat if there was the slightest chance Cesaro would win. This sort of shit happens all the time. There's very little drama.
Vince I think a more mature rating will help if the numbers keep falling or stay stagnant. They can explore more edgier storylines, talent gets more room because they don't have to just appeal to kids, some more swear words I like, Austin can flip off again, blood puts butts on the seats.
That's a good way to put it. What's even worse is that Cesaro had so many comeback moments and looked so strong that any smark could hope against hope that he would actually win, knowing fully in their heart that it just wasn't going to happen. It's almost like the WWE knows that you know whats going on and is engaging in a meta-trolling exercise.
The Silver
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I don't give a shit about great matches if there's nothing there for me to actually get invested in said matches. I mean Roman was 100% going to win and then Ceasro was going to just drop back to doing nothing of note, why should I care about that match?
ok don't give a shit is too strong, obviously I like great matches, but the thing is, there are loads of other promotions and stuff I could watch instead if that's all I cared about. WWE is supposed to be, used to be about getting you invested in the larger than life characters and storylines and then seeing the pay off in the match. They've been uterrly failing at this, everyone's a midcarder besides Cena, Bork, and Taker(and Cena's the only full time guy) so there's no one to get invested in. Reigns will never truly break the ceiling unless they stop trying to make him replace Cena, they completely fuck up stories with potential like the Summer of Punk.
I'm pretty much in hate watch mode, it's fun to shit on the show.
ok don't give a shit is too strong, obviously I like great matches, but the thing is, there are loads of other promotions and stuff I could watch instead if that's all I cared about. WWE is supposed to be, used to be about getting you invested in the larger than life characters and storylines and then seeing the pay off in the match. They've been uterrly failing at this, everyone's a midcarder besides Cena, Bork, and Taker(and Cena's the only full time guy) so there's no one to get invested in. Reigns will never truly break the ceiling unless they stop trying to make him replace Cena, they completely fuck up stories with potential like the Summer of Punk.
I'm pretty much in hate watch mode, it's fun to shit on the show.
Very, very good compared to what?
For a lot of people there's no compelling storylines going on and that makes or breaks the experience.
If you can't write a compelling show from beginning to end then it's a very very good show.
Last couple of weeks there have been some good matches but there isn't a ton of reason to be invested in it.
UberTag
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According to Vince McMahon, we should watch RAW simply for matches with predictable outcomes and competent workrate... along with an endless onslaught of advertising and shit commentary.
And fuck everything else we might want. If you want to watch something with actual tension and unpredictability, go watch a sporting event.
Once WWE gets ahold of him, this always becomes the case, evidently. I loved watching him in LU.
If you watch Raw just for the good matches, how much material do you actually have? Maybe 45 minutes out of a 3 hour show on a wrestling-heavy night? And at least half of those matches have been repeated two to three times in any given month if you make the mistake of watching more than one show, with matches generally being so formulaic and predictable that there's literally zero reason to watch them.
PhantomZone
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If Roman Reigns is the champion after Survivor Series I hope the RAW ratings reflect such a bad move and they tank tank tank some more.
Reigns would be fine as champ, as long as he's a bad guy. A heel champ that I actually want to boo, with some decent faces like Cesaro and Ambrose chasing, could be alot of fun.
It makes too much sense. The WWE won't do it. They'll turn Ambrose instead, and it won't be nearly as interesting.
Liquidsnake
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You have 10+ taste my friend.
He's going to be the inspirational face going against the authority until crossfit Jesus is back.
Thanks, nxt wasn't bad this week haven't made it to the event but always love to see Alexa Bliss
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Also can't wait for ENZO and big CASS defeat stupid dash and Dawson.
Ninja Scooter
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Take your body shaming somewhere else.
Speaking of sporting events. One of the most annoying things the WWE does is pretend it's a real sport.
Like, they aren't competing with the NFL. They are a soap opera with fake fighting. All the compilations they do with real sports just screams desperate to me.
They are a bunch of geeks fake fighting each other. And the product it's better when it embraces that (like New Day does).
PhantomZone
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Now we play the waiting game, to see how the Survivor Series ppv influenced or turn more people off from watching RAW this week.
Discotheque
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SPORTSCENTRE TOP 10 HERE WE COME....
Sir_Crocodile
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Sheamus VS Reigns, you can smell the money already
League Of Legends makes more sense being on ESPN than anything WWE. It's kinda sad they don't realize that.
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Deleted member 47027
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What? Why?
Because WWE isn't even close to being a sport?
LoL at least has competition involved so you could make an argument.
You can't make an argument for WWE being a sport.
Hell, WWE keeps comparing themselves to the NFL and stuff. I think it's extremely dumb.
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Deleted member 47027
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Why isn't chess on Sportscenter?
It should be.
I'm pretty sure ESPN has featured both Chess and Chess Boxing.
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Deleted member 47027
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in that case wrestling definitely belongs
Watching that RAW made sooo obvious how much they have no plans nor clue for short term future right now.
You got that incredibly weak main event picture, trying to force Super Reign who will overcome the odds against doomed midcarders, and the whole rest of the card is thrown in random exhibition matches without any story nor even legit feud... I hate it som much when they do something like that tag team with Ambrose, Ziggler, Breeze and Owens. It just feels like a mutual dog house. Like they will make themselves busy with each other forever cause there is one only focus spot.
You got that incredibly weak main event picture, trying to force Super Reign who will overcome the odds against doomed midcarders, and the whole rest of the card is thrown in random exhibition matches without any story nor even legit feud... I hate it som much when they do something like that tag team with Ambrose, Ziggler, Breeze and Owens. It just feels like a mutual dog house. Like they will make themselves busy with each other forever cause there is one only focus spot.
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