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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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Sir_Crocodile

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Razgriz-Specter said:
Im not really sure where else to ask this but after the Kurt Angle hype i got in the mood for some wrestling.
I have thought about watching NXT for a bit but finally decided to try it
however I was wondering about is when exactly does Asuka make her debut?
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Your question's been answered, but just fyi there's always a wrestling thread in community, here's a link to this month's:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1329737

Pretty active, it's very rare it drops off the first page.
 
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Malajax

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PsychoRaven said:
They earned it with how fucking awful Raw was. Smackdown was great and had plenty of wrestling this week. Raw on the other hand had very very little wrestling and so much bullshit.
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So many recaps! So much talking. The wrestling that was there was tired and samey.

I only watched the first segment plus the tag title match on Smackdown and it was SO much better! Way better paced. Raw just seems tired at this point
 
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LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
This week's was one of the worst Raws in months. That 3rd hour drop off was well earned. Recap after recap would have been bad enough but the 2-3 matches that were there were the most nothing matches imaginable.
 
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ElRenoRaven

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LiQuid! said:
This week's was one of the worst Raws in months. That 3rd hour drop off was well earned. Recap after recap would have been bad enough but the 2-3 matches that were there were the most nothing matches imaginable.
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Yea. I mean did we really need 2 Brock/Goldberg promo packages? It was just downright insane.
 
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OldMan

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Going into next season id definitely like to see better build up in the weeks leading up to Wrestling's super bowl. Some of the feuds are good this year and... Bring on the hype!
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Wonder how much this has to do with so much more emphasis being put on part timers, culminating with the main event at Wrestlemania being between two guys (one the world champ) who may or may not be on RAW on any given week. I understand why Vince books the way he does, those are big ass names that will draw in a sizable WM audience, but a lot of that audience isn't going to give a fuck about the build up. If you are a 30-40 year old lapsed wrestling fan who is now interested in WM because of Goldberg or Angle or Brock, are you going to also devote 3-5 hours per week watching episodes of RAW and Smackdown where those same guys either don't appear or do fuck all when they do?
 
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Raging Spaniard

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That 3 hour format just destroys the show and kills the audience. The last hour is always overkill in terms of how much attention span I have left.

I still think most of the audience theyre losing still watches the show illegally because cable subscriptions are way down, but still, RAW is a worse show than Smackdown and NXT, and it shouldnt be that way.
 
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LiQuid!

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OldMan said:
Going into next season id definitely like to see better build up in the weeks leading up to Wrestling's super bowl. Some of the feuds are good this year and... Bring on the hype!
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The build up has actually not been the problem (generally speaking, some programs like the Raw women's title match has been a travesty). A lot of the matches at mania have pretty hot build ups. The problem is that most of that hot build up either happened last week, or is being saved for the go home show next week. It's almost like they forgot how many weeks there were leading to Mania and cobble this week's episode together at the last minute.
 
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creatchee

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Sephzilla said:
Cena's going away again after Mania so this is out of the question. Vince's solution is going to be WE NEED TO TRIPLE DOWN ON ROMAN
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I can't wait until Roman goes to Smackdown, AJ goes to RAW and nothing changes about either show, yet people will all be like "Raw is so much better than Smackdown now."
 
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Strangelove77

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I only watch short Raw clips on YouTube and even most of that is pointless fluff.
Once the Jericho/Owens story ends and Jericho leaves it will absolutely be 100% bad.
 
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plagiarize

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creatchee said:
I can't wait until Roman goes to Smackdown, AJ goes to RAW and nothing changes about either show, yet people will all be like "Raw is so much better than Smackdown now."
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It never used to matter much who was on which show, back in the days of the brand split. Smackdown was consistently better.
 
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ElRenoRaven

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kiguel182 said:
Smackdown is not perfect (they messed up their tag division) but it's such a better show.

Raw is tired and stale at this point.
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I'll give you that but there is only so much they can do with what they do have. They didn't exactly get a lot of Tag teams and women wrestlers. But yea their tag team booking has been their big failing there.

Sir_Crocodile said:
Vince's mind must have broken that the advertised Reigns/Strowman match lost 250K viewers.
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That's the big driver there. The fans do not like Reigns. WWE has destroyed him. This is more proof. Every time he's near the main event ratings plummet in that 3rd hour.
 
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thepotatoman

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Tagyhag said:
Like, it's not only bad, but that happening 2 weeks before Wrestlemania is BAD.
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Also there's absolutely no competition to blame it on that I know of. No Monday Night Football, or major playoffs, or special events.

Just the Dancing with the Stars season premier.
 
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Smokey_Run

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I don't know how anyone can watch on a weekly basis anymore. I show up to my friend's house for the Rumble, Mania, and Summer Slam and even that pushes my limits on how much I'm willing to watch.
 
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SpideySenses

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As a lapsed fan, for years I used to sporadically watch WWE throughout the year yet tune in for everything around Wrestlemania time, I lambasted that we'd hit a point where great, memorable things only happened during WM season but looking back at least I was excited once a year. Loved WM30 to pieces, watched a couple of matches at WM31, didn't watch a single second of WM32, doubtful I will this year either.
 
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RAW is just a boring show, there is never a sense of urgency or creativity. Most of the roster is wasted with horrible booking, really glad that Smackdown atleast has a sense of fun to it.
 
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Toki767

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SpideySenses said:
As a lapsed fan, for years I used to sporadically watch WWE throughout the year yet tune in for everything around Wrestlemania time, I lambasted that we'd hit a point where great, memorable things only happened during WM season but looking back at least I was excited once a year. Loved WM30 to pieces, watched a couple of matches at WM31, didn't watch a single second of WM32, doubtful I will this year either.
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You didn't miss anything last year and you probably aren't going to miss much this year.
 
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LiQuid!

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Strangelove77 said:
I only watch short Raw clips on YouTube and even most of that is pointless fluff.
Once the Jericho/Owens story ends and Jericho leaves it will absolutely be 100% bad.
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I did this a couple weeks a few months ago. It was by FAR the best way to "enjoy" Raw. I would do this every week, but...

Smokey_Run said:
I don't know how anyone can watch on a weekly basis anymore. I show up to my friend's house for the Rumble, Mania, and Summer Slam and even that pushes my limits on how much I'm willing to watch.
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It's a combination of absolutely loving wrestling and having nothing better to do with my Monday nights. I never watch it glued to my TV, it's always just on in the background while I'm fucking around with something else. I don't care about most of it, but catching the parts of it I do care about saves me from having to seek them out on youtube later.
 
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Violence Jack

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I've tried to watch Raw during WM buildup season, but it's been fucking atrocious. No one likes Roman, the matches have been boring, the women's division got boring quickly after Fastlane, no one cares about the cruiserweights, New Day isn't even competing in a WM match, and no one wants to watch 3 hours of this shit. KO and Y2J have really been the only thing that's been consistently entertaining. I'm going back to the YouTube clips.

Anyone know how the ratings for SD are holding up?
 
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OldMan

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LiQuid! said:
The build up has actually not been the problem (generally speaking, some programs like the Raw women's title match has been a travesty). A lot of the matches at mania have pretty hot build ups. The problem is that most of that hot build up either happened last week, or is being saved for the go home show next week. It's almost like they forgot how many weeks there were leading to Mania and cobble this week's episode together at the last minute.
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Yup *points to Wrestlemania sign* save that shit for the day of lol
 
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Mahonay

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Violence Jack said:
I've tried to watch Raw during WM buildup season, but it's been fucking atrocious. No one likes Roman, the matches have been boring, the women's division got boring quickly after Fastlane, no one cares about the cruiserweights, New Day isn't even competing in a WM match, and no one wants to watch 3 hours of this shit. KO and Y2J have really been the only thing that's been consistently entertaining. I'm going back to the YouTube clips.

Anyone know how the ratings for SD are holding up?
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Your mistake here is focusing on RAW. Outside of AJ and KO, trash fire. All of it.
 
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Aiii

So not worth it
It was like watching a car crash in slow motion and being bored to death.

Stopped watching over the summer, intended to come back before the Rumble but that didn't happen because even catching up through YT clips had me bored. Watched the Rumble match. Watched the Goldberg squashes. And that is about all.

Going to watch Mania and poor Nakamura's debut on Raw, but after that I will probably be out for the rest of the year, maybe Broken Matt Hardy can breathe some life back into the product, who knows?

All in all I would be surprised if WWE gets offered even half of their current TV deal by USA next year, suspecting a move to FS1 and then slowly fading into obscurity over the next decade or so.
 
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Mahonay

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Aiii said:
It was like watching a car crash in slow motion and being bored to death.

Stopped watching over the summer, intended to come back before the Rumble but that didn't happen because even catching up through YT clips had me bored. Watched the Rumble match. Watched the Goldberg squashes. And that is about all.

Going to watch Mania and poor Nakamura's debut on Raw, but after that I will probably be out for the rest of the year, maybe Broken Matt Hardy can breathe some life back into the product, who knows?

All in all I would be surprised if WWE gets offered even half of their current TV deal by USA next year, suspecting a move to FS1 and then slowly fading into obscurity over the next decade or so.
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Nakamura isn't coming up yet. He's going to the UK for the NXT tour.
 
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Mahonay

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My friend last minute got us tickets for the show on Monday. It was my only time ever going to RAW. And holy fuck did I choose a banger to go to. It was a compilation of all the things that have made RAW terrible over the past decade.

At least seeing Jericho cut an amazing promo was nice.
Aiii said:
The entire tour is four days long, this means nothing.
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Ah didn't know that.
 
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thepotatoman

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Smokey_Run said:
I don't know how anyone can watch on a weekly basis anymore. I show up to my friend's house for the Rumble, Mania, and Summer Slam and even that pushes my limits on how much I'm willing to watch.
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I've been going to my brother's to watch most PPVs ever since the WWE Network started up, and even though I've stopped ever watching the TV shows, the PPVs are usually not that bad to sit through. Stories are better when the entire month is condensed into a 5 minute video package, and you're only getting a few hours of wrestling a month so it's not as stale.

But the most recent Fastlane a few weeks ago was one of the worst I've ever seen. Even the PPVs are becoming too boring to sit through.
 
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OnPoint

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A group of my friends goes to Dave and Busters to watch RAW, sometimes I attend pretty much just to hang out. They're huge wrasslin fans, but this show can not keep them locked in. I'd say they watch about half the time, and when their attention wanders, they end away from the TVs playing games. They don't even ask what they missed when they come back.

It's a really bad show.
 
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LiQuid!

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Mahonay said:
My friend last minute got us tickets for the show on Monday. It was my only time ever going to RAW. And holy fuck did I choose a banger to go to. It was a compilation of all the things that have made RAW terrible over the past decade.

At least seeing Jericho cut an amazing promo was nice.

Ah didn't know that.
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Was there ANY decent wrestling on the show? A dark match or something? It seemed completely devoid.
 
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Savitar

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Steph badgering people and never getting her just deserts, yeah that's a rating winner that we all want to see again and again and again.
 
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Bert409

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Serious question, why would anyone sit through 3 hours of RAW when they could just watch clips on YouTube for 25 minutes tops? Other than they hate themselves.
 
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Takashi

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Why is it still 3 hours long when a big chunk of it is spent recapping?

As a casual fan I rarely tune in for an entire show, but I watched most of this last Raw. Must have been at least 3 or 4 times that they recapped Roman and Strowman, it was ridiculous. Why is he facing Undertaker if they aren't turning him heel?

The whole Rollins/HHH feud makes little sense. The basis for it was that the heel champ was pissed a new heel champ was chosen instead of him, so now he's a face all of a sudden? lol

The best thing about it was the Jericho segment but that storyline will be over soon unfortunately. The KO/Jericho stuff was the only reason I cared to watch.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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OnPoint said:
A group of my friends goes to Dave and Busters to watch RAW, sometimes I attend pretty much just to hang out. They're huge wrasslin fans, but this show can not keep them locked in. I'd say they watch about half the time, and when their attention wanders, they end away from the TVs playing games. They don't even ask what they missed when they come back.

It's a really bad show.
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I have no idea how people watch it live. Literally 50% of the show, if not more, is commercials, filler, and re-caps of stuff that just happened 15 minutes ago.
 
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