JesseEwiak
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Actually it's more USA pays them a lot more money because a bad 3rd hour of RAW still increased their Network average.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Actually it's more USA pays them a lot more money because a bad 3rd hour of RAW still increased their Network average.
Nemesis121
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Used to be dedicated viewer, but last 5 years I have become a Rumble to Mania watcher, like most things in the entertainment arena, originality is lacking, WWE recycle the same story lines over and over with new wrestlers....
Ratings tank, Triple H Heel champion to the rescue..
Ratings tank, Triple H Heel champion to the rescue..
JesseEwiak
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So Cena can propose to Nikki post match and get far more mainstream pub than any five star match will.
The Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Mayrse build has actually been pretty fantastic. Miz has been wonderful over the past year.
And yes a lot of people are not very excited for AJ vs Shane, considering AJ is the best worker in the company. But it will be better than Taker vs Shane at least?
Ah yeah forgot about that.
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thepotatoman
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Apparently it's a "record low for a show that was not up against a major sports event and did not air on a holiday". Still significant, but not an overall low.
Still, this is down 350k viewers from same time last year, for a 10% drop, and down 860k viewers from the same time two years ago, for a 22% drop.
Still, this is down 350k viewers from same time last year, for a 10% drop, and down 860k viewers from the same time two years ago, for a 22% drop.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Vince is under the impression that Shane is the biggest draw in the company now
Even if the match was ass, Shane was a big draw last year. It's not something he's making up. He has name recognition with casual fans.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
PG has nothing to do with it. Garbage writing with no long-term builds has everything to do with it.
Yerp.
Violence Jack
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Yeah, I like Miz. Which is why I was hoping to see him be involved in a WWE title match rather than jobbing to Cena.
AJ vs. Shane should be better than Taker vs Shane since AJ can still take bumps and not lurch around the ring like he might keel over at any minute.
Pop-O-Matic
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Surely there's some other old fuck they could feed him to, though. Why do we have to waste AJ on him?
Vince knows he'll make Shane look better than last year.
Probably doesn't see equal value in letting AJ have a 5 star match with another great worker.
Chie Satonaka
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I know, I know.
I guess I was just taking that rumor to heart, the one that said that WWE wanted Mania to top WK from earlier this year. They didn't even try. It's like Vince deliberately tried to make the show as bad as possible. This card SUCKS.
Jericho/Owens should be legit though, as well as Aries v Neville.
What craaaaaazy spot is Shane gonna do this time? I know you're all on the edge of your seats!!!1111
Poor AJ.
JesseEwiak
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Your choice isn't this or AJ in a five star match. Your choice is AJ in a main event angle with a McMahon that Vince cares about or in a pointless midcard match that goes shorter than you want.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah but we'll still have to see AJ selling the absolute worst punches of anyone in the company or has been in the last 20 years.
At least the Ellsworth stuff was part of the AJ/Dean fued where Dean is credited for causing those loses and once Ambrose was no longer getting involved AJ killed him.
At least the Ellsworth stuff was part of the AJ/Dean fued where Dean is credited for causing those loses and once Ambrose was no longer getting involved AJ killed him.
The down trend in ratings that ignores DVR viewership and that in WWE's case their DVR viewership rate is less than 10% as they also continue to pretend their social media nonsense matters.
They value AJ a lot. Even if the booking has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. They view him 100% as a top talent. They would not stick him in the midcard. If anything, I imagine they entertained the idea of making him the 3rd man in the WWE title match.
JesseEwiak
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Hey blame the marks, including some on this very thread, who blew a load when Shane cmae back. I was telling folks you didnt want Shane back. After all, as supposedly horrible as Steph is, she'd never be in a main event level match with a top star like AJ.
"Social Media engagement was up 32% week over week. The most common Sports Entertainment terms were: Paige, Xavier, Southpaw Regional Wrestling"
Chie Satonaka
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Hey blame the marks, including some on this very thread, who blew a load when Shane cmae back. I was telling folks you didnt want Shane back. After all, as supposedly horrible as Steph is, she'd never be in a main event level match with a top star like AJ.
I figured that Undertaker shit was going to be his last Rodeo. I really did. Go out one more time in a blaze of glory.
How wrong I was.
Pop-O-Matic
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Hey blame the marks, including some on this very thread, who blew a load when Shane cmae back. I was telling folks you didnt want Shane back. After all, as supposedly horrible as Steph is, she'd never be in a main event level match with a top star like AJ.
At least when Shane is in a match I can safely assume that the other guy is going over, usually after Shane takes some ludicrous bump. Can't say that about Steph.
If they want ratings to return, they need to go back to the formula that got them those ratings. If you aren't willing to appeal to the lowest common denominator of trailer trash and young teenagers with vile humor and cussing and hardcore wrestling and punk/metal music, you slowly lose that crowd and they go to UFC instead to scratch their barbarian itch
No sponsor on Earth would sponsor that
Unless your Roman Reigns. Then you get to spear her, in a meaningless WrestleMania main event that no one remembers just one year later.
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That wasn't a Steph match.
sf2fanatic
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Exactly. My point was that it made no sense to have Roman spear her, of all people. It should be someone like Bayley.
JesseEwiak
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If Steph is going to get physically invovled, why shouldn't it be the top face who's facing her husband on the main event of WM?
Why is Roman the only face to get back at her? And if you're like half the audience that does not view Roman as an accepted face, that spear just felt gross.
Oh yay you tackled a woman much smaller than you. What a face!
Catchpenny
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Boy, you aren't kidding. If my life had depended on naming it, I don't think I would have been able to remember who was in that main event, and I watched it live.
ThreePiMatt
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I may be a bit conspiratorial here, but I wonder if Orton's title push this time around is restitution for getting concussed and turned into a bloody mess by Brock.
AJ has really helped carry SmackDown this past year and the idea that Orton gets a main event opportunity instead of AJ doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.
AJ has really helped carry SmackDown this past year and the idea that Orton gets a main event opportunity instead of AJ doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.
Into the Light
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Its a nice slap in the face for your former champion who really carried everything for 9 months.
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thepotatoman
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Wow, that is hard to remember.
I certainly remember the Seth Rollins MitB cash in on Brock and Reigns from 2015. Don't remember anything about 2016 Wrestlemania.
Camper Van Beethoven
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WWE has been overpushing Randy Orton for well over a decade.
Into the Light
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He is the single most over hype under deliver guy I have ever seen. Over rated to an unreal degree.
Fuckin Raw was so awful this week. I wound up just playing with my cat for 20 minutes instead of watching the end. What a depressingly awful show, and it's not gonna get better since Vince reportedly doesn't give a shit about ratings anymore now that he's got social media metrics.
funkystudent
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Seen the idea floated around that Randy is basically getting the WM main event as a make good for letting Brock concuss him at Summerslam.
Being in a match with Shane is a bit shit but AJ will make it work and at least there will be cool memorable spots.
Personally more bummed Samoa Joe isnt even on the card. Plus no multi man ladder match for the first time in years.
Being in a match with Shane is a bit shit but AJ will make it work and at least there will be cool memorable spots.
Personally more bummed Samoa Joe isnt even on the card. Plus no multi man ladder match for the first time in years.
Camper Van Beethoven
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He's good in his way, but he's never ever warranted being the top guy in the company. He's a perfectly acceptable guy in Jericho like position.
Killing_Joke
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His midcard days are still one of my favs but then again he had a pretty solid roster to work with. 2007- 2017 Orton has been a borefest for the most part, can only think of a handful of matches that were ok at best.
Why he was in the main event at WM30 and 33 boggles my fucking mind. Especially with todays roster.
Legend Killer Orton and head punter Orton were great, but thats a long long long time ago.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The WM 25 feud with HHH is where I stopped taking orton seriously. This segment specifically
Should have been Aj vs Nakamura. What a waste of a Wrestlemania.
funkystudent
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Orton can do some good work. I think for the most part the current Wyatt feud has been his best stuff in years.
But yeah. Dude has been mostly stale. Most of the time he is extremely boring and adds nothing to anything and only seems to ever be the guy in the main event when Cena needs a break and WWE doesnt want to try someone new.
But yeah. Dude has been mostly stale. Most of the time he is extremely boring and adds nothing to anything and only seems to ever be the guy in the main event when Cena needs a break and WWE doesnt want to try someone new.
I stopped watching a long time ago because I got really into MMA and NFL stuff but I took a look at the card and saw Randy Orton, The Undertaker, Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, Shane McMahon, Chris Jericho and John Cena. I'm 27 and its like I am 13 / 14 again haha. I also noticed an extreme lack of weird matches like Hell in a Cell, Ladder Matches, Iron Mans, Hardcore, etc.
Is it gonna be any good?
Is it gonna be any good?
half a moon
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You can get a wwe network free month trial and watch WM
RecRoulette
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As lame as Orton is, and as bad as the product has been overall lately, this was hilarious
I had hope for this feud until last night when they brought back corny-ass camp counselor Bray Wyatt.
Randy Orton better RKO a ghost child at Mania
Uno Venova
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Their failure doesn't even make me happy anymore, because they're never changing a god damn thing, they could probably get consistent 2.0's and still have Roman's music closing the show.
Fucking thing sucks, I just want great wrestling again (
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Fucking thing sucks, I just want great wrestling again (
yeah i know about smackdown
pretty done
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Card looks really bad. There might be a couple good matches (HHH vs Seth Rollins, Neville vs Aries, maaaaaybe Jericho vs Owens) but it'll be majority shit.
I don't watch the weekly shows so the storylines are irrelevant to me. I just watch for the wrasslin.
it makes me happy because they'll die eventually and aj and bryan could go to japan to work strong style
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