X-Men Apocalypse Review Thread
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Triggerhappytel
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But it would be a Doom without any prior connection to the characters or X-men universe at large. It would be yet ANOTHER "pseudo-Doom".
I have utterly given up any hope that Fox will ever get Doom right. That is the ONE major character I absolutely want Fox to give back to Marvel.
Others like Annihilus, Kang the Conquerer, or Silver Surfer would just be a bonus at this point.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
"How could they possibly introduce Spidey effectively? We're so tired of his origin story."
"Civil War was such a garbage story. They're going to center a whole movie around this dreck with zero emotional stakes?"
"Guardians? Of the Galaxy? Lol, okay."
MCU can do anything.
Unspeakable Evil
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Marvel should just create a character like storm in Black panther and make her better.
The whole MLK and Malcolm X thing is what makes this whole thing kinda of upsetting.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If they're even going to attempt Old Man Logan at all, they can make up whatever connections they want. They can use that opportunity to put as classic a Doom as they wanna put into that movie. If they're willing to actually go there.
It still seems fucking nuts to me that Old Man Logan is even on the table considering the source material, and the characters needed to make that source material even remotely work, but if they wanna strip that story back to "Logan fucks up, goes pacifist, gets fucked with, has to ride cross country to get murderous one last time" then they can basically stick whatever they want in there. It's the last story. Continuity basically doesn't mean shit.
darkhunger
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The same logic can be applied to Sony's Spider-Man too, you know. In fact Spider-Man movies made much more than X-Men movies in a per movie basis yet Sony had to give up on developing the movies themselves.
Fact is that Fox is not maximizing the value of the license. And that opens up possibilities, whether it's a buyout or sharing agreement or some other deal. Both sides have to be willing of course, so it's a matter of what each side gets out of it. We do know there's some bad blood between the two as well.
But people said that Spidey deal would never happen too, and here we are.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Am I wrong or did Sony not sell either? They just allowed MCU to take creative control, right? Fox could do the same thing. Make their own deal. They made a TV deal, it's not impossible.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah unless this film kills off a bunch of characters and leaves the universe in completely unwanted state they should be fine if they just change direction. they've done that plenty of times with this series, hell wolverine origins is completely non-canon. The question is what direction they would take.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's gonna be so bad without the MU. They're going to introduce the threat in the movie itself and it's gonna be so wack. Maybe some older New Mutants. Like every X-Movie it will be stuffed with flat characters with no impact other than one nerd actually being like "YAY! CYPHER!"
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, it can't, because Fox isn't in anywhere near the same position Sony was as a studio. You can't remove the context of why Sony was even considering the option.
This isn't fantasy football. You can't just drop and pick up whole intellectual properties off the waiver wire Thursday afternoon before 6pm.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I doubt Fox will do that, Deadppol just made massive bank, it's pretty clear the IP still has plenty of potential even in their hands, they just have to utilize it well. What i do expect is more deadpool-like films and more comic accurate adaptations.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Cypher ain't even in the New Mutants movie ;_;
To be fair Fox doesn't own the merchandising rights to X-Men so there is only so much that they can do with the licence.
They did not. Spider-Man Homecoming will be fully financed and distributed worldwide by Sony Pictures.
Sony Pictures retains the theatrical rights to Spider-Man.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I wonder how comic accurate they consider their films now.
The fact of it is, the genius of the source material is its hundreds of issues of continuity as a soap opera. So to just carve out a slice of it, still pour twenty characs into a story like the original, and expect that to be enough, it'll never work.
They would have to reboot to get back to the manageable ground point of the MCU, and it's something they can clearly do. Make a Cyclops movie. A Storm movie. That way the soap opera aspects work because the characters are all established and it means something when they interact. Or do it Netflix style and make the individual characters have 10 episode intro serieses. Do something unique. Because all the reviews of this movie point in the same direction: Not enough time and attention for me to give a shit about these characters.
darkhunger
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Let's talk after Fox's other ongoing franchise, Avatar tanks in a few years. Or Planet of the Apes underperforms. Fox isn't exactly the bastion of Hollywood right now either. Companies rise and fall quickly especially in a volatile industry like the movie industry.
I love most MCU films and I do not want Xmen back in the Disney stable either, at least atm and for the foreseeable future.
Marvel Studios can only produce so many movies a year really.
Otoh I do want to see FF back with Marvel, not only to see proper FF movies, but even more importantly because the best vilains in the entire Marvel universe (save Magneto and Thanos) are in the FF verse.
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Doom
Annihilus
Molecule Man
Diablo
Ego
Kang
Mephisto
Mole Man (hilariously referenced in the only great FF adaptation so far, The Incredibles)
Skrulls/ Super Skrull
Namor (might still be with Universal looks like Marvel had him back a few years ago after Uni's failure to kick off a prod around the character)
Fox needs to make better use of the Xmen and stop treating the team(s) like interchangeable guys/gals in costumes with flashy cgi, and no consistant timeline (which Singer somewhat tried to correct in DOFP).
Marvel Studios can only produce so many movies a year really.
Otoh I do want to see FF back with Marvel, not only to see proper FF movies, but even more importantly because the best vilains in the entire Marvel universe (save Magneto and Thanos) are in the FF verse.
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Doom
Annihilus
Molecule Man
Diablo
Ego
Kang
Mephisto
Mole Man (hilariously referenced in the only great FF adaptation so far, The Incredibles)
Skrulls/ Super Skrull
Namor (
Fox needs to make better use of the Xmen and stop treating the team(s) like interchangeable guys/gals in costumes with flashy cgi, and no consistant timeline (which Singer somewhat tried to correct in DOFP).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I can't tell if this is serious or not.
The Jackdog
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Principate
Saint Titanfall
And you think after the failure of these movies that they'll sell one of it's most profitable franchises? Even after the failure of Spiderman 2 Sony didn't want to sell the franchise. It took the freak of nature and complete destruction of reputation that was the sony leaks that to happen.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Their perspective on that one is absolutely fucked. They're just talking shit to talk it.
GabeTheGrouch76
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Apparently so. They're credited as producers for the 2015 film, and they also produced the previous FF films as well (the mid-2000s films and that low-budget 90s movie that wasn't released).
That said, the FF 2015 was a commercial bomb (in comparison, the 2005 film did well at the B.O.; while the 2007 sequel managed to break even and then some). And judging Fox pulling the planned sequel from their schedule a few months after FF 2015's release, they knew when to fold them. It could go either way IMO.
darkhunger
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What, too optimistic?
And the fact that studios have never pulled off rights sharing deals like this before so it was risky. But if the Spidey deal proves to be a success for both companies? If there's one thing we do know it's that Hollywood companies have a herd mentality.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
One company under extratenous circumstances is not a heard make, especially when Fox has started to branch out and expand their X Men universe with at least 3 difference solo franchises now.One of which paid off big time and the other one seems healthy though ending, with all eyes on the third.
Fox is not remotely in sony's position.
catashtrophe
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I think it will hit about 700 mill worldwide
He hates hispanics and native americans too.
Sunspot shouldn't have been murked like that in DOFP....dude is powerful as shit.
I honestly forgot Sunspot was in that film until you just reminded me.
But... Sony didn't sell the franchise.
NealMcCauley
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It will definitely be interesting to see how it plays against Alice. Sub-200 seems possible if the poor-meh reviews continue.
broncobuster
Banned
Let's be real, while I'm a fan of the MCU, villains are a real sore spot. Fox and Marvel Studios have about the same shot of making a good Doom. Well, maybe if Fantastic Four is a Netflix series Doom could be all right.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
What the hell. This was supposed to be the year of great superhero movies and somehow both Batman v Superman AND X-Men Apocalypse ended up being disappointments?
Mr. Poolman
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A world where Ben Affleck's new superhero movie has a lower critical score than Daredevil, while Bryan Singer's new X-men film has a lower score than Brett Ratner's X-men 3: The Last Stand.
So weird.
Marvel is hit and miss. Loki is great, Red Skull was alright, Zemo I thought was brilliant (I just want him in the mask!), and the Netflix stuff is definitely killer.
I'm most bothered by Ronan.
But Doom is so charismatic a villain that I have no doubts they could pull him off. They NAILED the regal, royal Black Panther. Doctor Doom is basically the evil incarnation of T'Challa - a powerful, arrogant ruler who thinks he knows best, only he's got one foot in Tony Stark's tech side and one foot planted in the supernatural.
... You bet I want Marvel to do THAT, because Fox sure as hell won't (THREE movies and he's not the leader of Latvaria in ANY of them).
The Artisan
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hm...this is interesting. if you guys follow this man on youtube he gives a really positive review of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az4FhLchHsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az4FhLchHsk
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
It might struggle to hit that due to reviews. Trailers haven't really been making much buzz, either. I'm thinking 650-675 million.
Which gives Civil War a damn near certainty in doubling its gross, lol.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Of course they didn't that'd be crazy, I mean allowing marvel to use the rights and for all intents and purposes have control of the character within the movie with Sony having the final say
I was legit shook they remembered all his powers
And we know Bobby is brought and paid for by the Industrial Comic Book Movie complex.
Dash_Riprock
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With Tom Rothman out of Fox and Ike demoted at Marvel, is there a chance relations between the two studios could improve to the point that they could make some kind of deal like with Sony?
Don't worry! We still have Suicide Squad to disappoint us!
Don't worry! We still have Suicide Squad to disappoint us!
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yes, it's the year of Great Superhero Movies. Great ones are the only ones left standing.
We can always hope.
Wolverine debuted fighting The Hulk. It would be great to see that on the big screen.
I saw nothing but apathy towards this movie before the reviews and now it's all negativity. As bad as the Batman v Superman trailers were, I knew people personally and online who were still interested in watching it but I don't know a single person who's excited about this movie or even interested in it at all.
Dash_Riprock
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Fox really is the odd-man out in the clash between Marvel and WB. Good thing Deadpool was a hit, a crossover would certainly bring life into the X-Men franchise if Apocalypse underperforms.
unpopularblargh
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So if that's the case what's to stop Disney from selling their film rights if they have one or two mediocre films?
Dumb argument is dumb.
TRUE ORDER
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I'm a little sad seeing average reviews, but I'll go and watch it no matter what. Loved X-Men TAS and started reading some comics after that.
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