Xbone: Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage.
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While the analogy is definitely hyperbolic in this instance, Nazi Germany only happened because people just sat back and let it.
Consumers aren't obligated to stroke Microsoft's ego just because they feel their product doesn't suck. Their whole attitude is like my wife's moronic brother, who when told he is being annoying, replies with "no, I'm not." Regardless of its features (see: restrictions) being good or bad, if nobody wants to own it it's a terrible product.
The market will chew this up and spit it out. Even casual gamers will get wind of this insane outrage eventually. They'll at least have friends of friends who read up on all that's going on, and the complaints will spread via the telephone game. That's actually worse than just advertising bad facts, because the spin will get more negative with each tale told. They may as well use Nickelback "songs" and Lance Armstrong in the Xbox One ads at this point...
Consumers aren't obligated to stroke Microsoft's ego just because they feel their product doesn't suck. Their whole attitude is like my wife's moronic brother, who when told he is being annoying, replies with "no, I'm not." Regardless of its features (see: restrictions) being good or bad, if nobody wants to own it it's a terrible product.
The market will chew this up and spit it out. Even casual gamers will get wind of this insane outrage eventually. They'll at least have friends of friends who read up on all that's going on, and the complaints will spread via the telephone game. That's actually worse than just advertising bad facts, because the spin will get more negative with each tale told. They may as well use Nickelback "songs" and Lance Armstrong in the Xbox One ads at this point...
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You're wrong. Michael posted in a GAF thread somewhere around and was very on with his analysis. You should look for it.
Dave Meltzer
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Something can be inaccurate and incomplete without being faulty reporting.
This article and thread title is the definition of click bait.
Glenn Beck would be proud.
RadarScope1
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Nope. Didn't think it was new at all. I'm basing my comment on what Major Nelson said a couple days ago. This piece linked in the OP is just another editorial reaction that, right? Like Klepick's editorial?
Guess what. It's still funny and pathetic, three days later.
WrenchNinja
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Who cares if it's new or old? They still did it. And fairly recently at that.
I'm not sure how this is hyperbole... All we know is what was told to us by the media through the comments of their own employee's. Either they are saying that they don't know what they are doing with the xbone or they are calling out those who reported what they said. You cant claim incorrect and incomplete information, and at the same time say you are not blaming anyone.
That's not what the article is talking about. It's talking about one specific quote that doesn't really have anything to do with the broader coverage of the Xbox One, just specifically one policy (used games).
The author of this article really had to do a lot of reading into Major Nelson's statement to have something he thought was worth publishing.
Eh, there was a bit more to it than that. I get what you're trying to say.
baxter2231
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What, i somehow missed this one. Got a link?
Neuromancer
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Ah fair enough.
Please, I'd be interested in the quote where Microsoft blamed the media for the reaction to the Xbox One reveal.
Robot Pants
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Exactly. They aren't making all this stuff up.
From Patrick Klepek:
. Since the details of those arrangements is clearly changing, the onus would be on Microsoft to make the coming changes abundantly transparent.
Microsoft didn't, and it wants to pretend it's not its fault.
The statement itself is a joke, too.
Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete.
Microsoft is the one who put its executives and representatives in front of the press earlier this week, and presented increasingly conflicted information. The problem has been getting anything remotely resembling a clear answer out of them. The press hasnt mangled Microsofts message, its that Microsoft has very little to say, and wants to point the blame at someone else with the wave of a hand. It won't work.
Sorry, Microsoft. Its your problem, not mine. Try a little honesty next time?
If he thinks MS is essentially putting the onus on the media, I'm not seeing how this isnt MS blaming the media without actually saying they are blaming them.
Public opinion can't really be any worse right now. If MS has no interest in changing anything, they may as well just show their hand and get it over with. At worst, things will stay the same, but at least there'd be clarity on the issues. Ultimately, it would allow people to make their minds up based on facts, not write off the Xbox One based on speculation. What do they have to lose? People already hate it.
CharmingCharlie
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There is a thread on it here with all the relevant details :-
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562569
As for "it is all the media's fault" yeah sure it is ......... those damn entitled journalists. The only one to blame for this mess is Microsoft, end of.
WrenchNinja
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Why are you acting like you don't know?
You clearly know what statement this particular article is referring to.
Winterfang
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And we just hit rock bottom folks.
When did this happen? Got any links?
The media can't get a clear message because MS doesn't have a clear strategy to present. Everything is clouded in convolution:
- The TV integration is not clear nor simple, the result is people all over the internet without a clue how it works. Some people aren't even certain they need cable and the ones who do aren't sure their setup will work with it.
- The whole "games are tied to profile" is incredibly confusing for many people. Those who haven't dabbled with digital purchases have no clue what is going on and even the ones who do are getting mixed messages because Microsoft is disguising digital distribution as physical distribution in an unclear way.
IMO this is on par with the Wii U clusterfuck, where Nintendo utterly failed to communicate consumers in a clear way it's a new console and not some Wii add-on in several fronts.
- The TV integration is not clear nor simple, the result is people all over the internet without a clue how it works. Some people aren't even certain they need cable and the ones who do aren't sure their setup will work with it.
- The whole "games are tied to profile" is incredibly confusing for many people. Those who haven't dabbled with digital purchases have no clue what is going on and even the ones who do are getting mixed messages because Microsoft is disguising digital distribution as physical distribution in an unclear way.
IMO this is on par with the Wii U clusterfuck, where Nintendo utterly failed to communicate consumers in a clear way it's a new console and not some Wii add-on in several fronts.
Winterfang
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Some girl was saying something like "Finally, the thing I hate most about Television was so hard it was too use" and Microsoft proudly use it as a positive tweet. Fancy graph and all lol.
CharmingCharlie
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I posted the link 5 posts above you ;-) but here it is again :-
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562569
((BobTheFork
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That's what I thought too. Mainstream media isn't really digging deep on the details but then again that's not the story to them.
yeah im sure theyll say nothing till november
I took that to mean that the plans weren't finalized, obviously because everybody is saying something different. At which point MS threw its hands up and said, "None of this is right. Details shortly". I fully believe that whatever Phil said was the policy actually was the decision of the company at the time. But to go from MS reps says something -> Another MS rep says something different -> Gamers don't like either scenario -> Media reports on it -> MS says the info is incomplete and nothing is final -> "Microsoft blames media for consumer rage" seems like click bait. And please don't let my disdain for attention grabbing headlines confuse you into thinking that I approve of anything that MS has done this week. All i said was that the Fox News style of threads can take discussion away from the actual shitty practices that MS are trying to usher in.
Oh wow I missed that lol. Boy what a week this has been, I was on the camp that believed all rumors were true including specs and anti consumer strategy, but never thought it could be this bad.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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i agree, but i think it's in their best interest to just tell us now.
Sony plays the answer-dodging game all the time and it almost never ends well. when MS won't just give us the full deal when asked directly again and again, even when it's building up a lot of bad hype, it starts to sound like they know we're going to hate it and are afraid to tell us.
and to be fair, i think Sony has been acting the same way with some of the PS4 details, although to a lesser degree and without making things worse/complicated.
Yeah, it's just kind of twisting it, and technically he doesn't blame the media, just that "incomplete and inaccurate information" is out there... which is very much Microsoft's own fault, to me it read more like the information is inconsistent and not fully relayed just yet. There HAS been some problems with the media, technically "anti-used" isn't correct as it really is more "anti-sharing", which to me actually sounds worse; plenty want to stick it to GameStop, but you tell them they can't give their game to a friend to play on their own account and most would make an immediate 180 (or so I'd hope.)
Honestly, the whole situation's nauseating to me now. There's only so much venom you can throw at them, and cases like this stretch extremely thin, BUT THEN we have some people not only defending this but being condescending, insulting, and outright dismissive of the problems many of us have rather than being down to Earth and understanding in their rebuttals where I can at least politely disagree rather than wonder what the fuck their problem is, to an extreme if they're outright imbeciles/suckers. I dunno, at this point I'd just want to stress to people how and why this can be a bad thing, especially if they don't know yet, then see how the sales fall out.
I have seen stuff on both sides, Rev3 coverage has been pretty decent, Marcus Beer, Patrick, and a few others, but obviously we still have a few who are waving the corporate flag in games journalisim.
The mainstream media imo probably just does not know better because videogames are not seen as major news from what I have seen when big things happen in games the mainstream media rarely reports on it in most cases.
The mainstream media imo probably just does not know better because videogames are not seen as major news from what I have seen when big things happen in games the mainstream media rarely reports on it in most cases.