HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Would you trust someone like Spencer to make the proper decision to make Xbox a stronger brand?
Dude literally has had blank checks and is killing the hardware division
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Xbox + Microsoft FY24 Q3 Results: Total Gaming +51%, Content and Services +62% Hardware -31%
Dude literally has had blank checks and is killing the hardware division
FunkMiller
Member
Oh God no. he should have gone a good five or six years ago.
Topher
Identifies as young
And now he is in charge of ABK as well. Let that sink in for a minute.
XXL
Member
FingerBang
Member
The truth is, he's always been working for PlayStation. He's been undercover all along, and it's finally happening.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You know whats bad is leading into this gen is when I talked to him the most and the guy truly loves what he does and honestly has a very infectious positive energy which I bit into
Now I am just over it.
Its time for a change but their plan of succession does not inspire me
And thats going to lead to COD heading to Gamepass day one eventually and will destroy that game imo
Alebrije
Member
Microsoft ADN it's made of software and services not hardware...no matter if it's Lenovo,MSI,Dell,HP....Office and Windows are there.
Xbox was Troy horse ,now no matter if You play on a PS5,Switch,PC,Xbox...now You can play thier games, their software. This is just the begining nothing stops this train.
Phil is producing money for Microsoft...he is fine , the problem are the "fans" Xbox was born to be sacrificed soon or later for a major good to Microsoft.
Xbox was Troy horse ,now no matter if You play on a PS5,Switch,PC,Xbox...now You can play thier games, their software. This is just the begining nothing stops this train.
Phil is producing money for Microsoft...he is fine , the problem are the "fans" Xbox was born to be sacrificed soon or later for a major good to Microsoft.
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LordCBH
Member
Phil the Clown thought Crackdown 3 was in a fit state to release.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So many instances.
Giving the green light to the first Halo Infinite trailer but thankfully we got a Craig meme out of it
Redfall
List goes on and on
splattered
Member
What are the odds of next gen hardware actually being fairly powerful and somewhat an open platform? On my drive running errands earlier i was thinking about their desire for pc/other storefronts on the console, their push into mobile, cloud, VR that hasn't materialized yet etc. If they could somehow create an uber powerful but also operationally flexible device that could run low-mid-high spec PC games, emulate or natively run mobile games, support cloud play, and maybe VR (either in house VR device or support 3rd party solutions) .... i could see advertising simply as a standalone letter "X" with each of these experiences being one of the four outer points of the letter (PC, Mobile, Cloud, VR) with Console or "You" in the center of the X. Box would probably be way too expensive though.
Unknown?
Member
That wasn't the goal of the original Xbox, it was meant to be hardware to be everyone's living room device. It wasn't any trojan horse to become software on all devices.
XXL
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
When he told us he had internal reviewers saying Redfall was a great game.....I knew then he was out of his depth.
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TheGodfather07
Member
Looks like xbox series has totally run out of gas already. Do they even manage to sell 5m units this year?
Unknown?
Member
3 million is what we're looking at. 3.5 million max.
Nonehxc
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mayham2199
Member
As a playstation owner a steamos PC is the only thing that could possibly pull me away. Steamdeck felt like a real handheld console. Their main hurdles will be MP and fixing games that don't work on Steamos. The latter of which could possibly be handled by devs if it gets big enough.
I believe they actively tried to crash the videogame industry to the point that only a super rich company could survive it as they lock everyone into a subscription model.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I think it's a number of different factors or types of people:
- Some people simply do not like what Xbox leadership did to the console over time. This started with Xbox One and has continued through this generation. I am not going to recite the litany. We've been over it many times. But when there is bad Microsoft news, these people see it as justice. Xbox is getting their comeuppance, they are reaping the consequences of what they sowed.
- Some people think Phil is a charismatic PR guy who deceived a lot of gamers. They are pleased to see his big plan to revolutionize gaming flop.
- Some enjoy gloating. These are the "I told you so" guys.
- The console warriors. They root for their team to win, and when the other team loses, they're happy. This is rather silly, but as you say, "After all, this is a gaming forum." It's to be expected.
- People who don't want to fuss with buying a second console. They are happy about MS going multiplatform, because it means they'll get everything on their Playstations and won't need to get a second console.
- Some people despise Microsoft as a company. They are happy to see bad news about them.
I'm probably a mix of #1 and #5, mostly #5. I wouldn't describe myself as "always happy about negative Xbox news," though.
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twilo99
Member
Sony fanboy echo chamber? It’s hard to tell tho.
Just trolling.. hopefully.
Why would they buy ABK for 70b if they weren’t going to make any returns on their investment? ABK is an asset, or a basket of assets, which could also be sold for profit, or a loss, but people here act like Microsoft just threw 70 billion dollars into the a fire pit and got nothing in return.
Topher
Identifies as young
People are saying the opposite. Xbox gaming increased revenue due to ABK alone.
twilo99
Member
Yes, that’s exactly why they acquired them. Imagine buying an established business for billions that is actually loosing money…
Unless it’s some sort of promising start up with enormous growth potential, that kind of thing doesn’t happen.
digoutyoursoul
Member
And been applauded for it along the way.
We all win remember? It’s too late anyway but for me personally I’m not buying anything from them again while the likes of him are there.
It’s been shit and people are trying to tell you it isn’t based on backwards compatibility and subscription services. Shit, utter shit.
It’s embarrassing when you compare the output to the other two, a lot of people sold out to them for personal gain when they should have been honest and tell them it hadn’t been good enough.
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MisterXDTV
Member
How many quarters of non-existent console sales they can pile up until third parties just pull the plug on the platform?
They are basically publishing games that don't sell on two consoles that don't sell...
It's completely pointless
And they know now that MS is pivoting to third-party anyway...
So they are now wasting resources to support the dying platform of their biggest competitor
They are basically publishing games that don't sell on two consoles that don't sell...
It's completely pointless
And they know now that MS is pivoting to third-party anyway...
So they are now wasting resources to support the dying platform of their biggest competitor
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Because the industry will be in a better spot when Xbox finally dies off. They've contributed nothing noteworthy over the last number of years. It would be fine if they just continued sucking on their lonesome, but they're determined to try to buy their way to success and destroy other companies while they're at it.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
None of what you mentioned would “build a stronger brand” more so than buying ABK.
Also, the return on this investment is much better than the return on all of that stuff you mentioned.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I think it is more the Xbox to 360. They got out early with the 360.
Little Chicken
Banned
People keep saying Phil should go, but really it's the deadweight in the marketing department that need to be replaced 
IFireflyl
Gold Member
People keep saying Phil should go, but really it's the deadweight in the marketing department that need to be replaced
Why not...
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Or exit...
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Topher
Identifies as young
I have no doubt it will exist.
Horseganador
Member
The only way left for Xbox is to become a third party and forget about hardware forever.
Daneel Elijah
Member
It depends on your definition of powerful and open. Consoles are IMHO defined by their need/desire to be sold to scale, outside of exceptions like the Neo Geo. We have rumors of the next gen Xbox being powerful, but also of it being not sold at a loss. It would in the worst case then be just a PC with a MS logo, and have to me a weak value proposition. They can't at the same time have a open platform, have proprietary tech or software like their version of DLSS while still be competitive with the hardware market AND the PS5/Switch2 consoles with a PS6 on the horizon. One thing will have to give. Have no compromise, but be a niche product? It would be a hard sell after the relative lack of success of the one X and the Series X. I would like that, but can't see Microsoft giving me such a gift.
Be open to other storefronts like Steam and use standart PC parts? Then how to push performance? Have a secret sauce like Sony promised us with their SSD and may have with PSSR? Then how to make it stick with the wider PC market when they kind of failed to make stuff like SFS or just convince third parties to use specific ray tracing tech for their games instead of the generic libraries straight from PC?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
..... it was a auto spell error that was fixed.
user friendly
Member
I think 2 different sku's did not help their HW sales.
phant0m
Member
This + XboxOS that can be installed on any x86 hardware
ChorizoPicozo
Member
they basically said that. It was from Nadella talking about being disruptive with Game Pass.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Sony came in and immediately sold 100m consoles. 40m more than the previous record the NES
It helped more than you know because Series X by itself would have been dead at the door.
Hell it's pretty much dead while having a lower end console to boost the numbers & you all wanted to take that away? Lol
Klayzer
Member
Just because Microsoft failed, doesn't mean its impossible, lol.
Amazon, Apple, Samsung, LG, etc. They're plenty of companies that could come in and do better job of competiting than Microsoft.
This stupid narrative, if Microsoft cant compete, therfore nobody else can, bullshit is disingenuous.
user friendly
Member
Nah, I think they would have been better off focusing on one main powerful SKU and enticing fence-sitters with deals and discounts. No way would I have ever purchased the series S, but I came into the gen wanting the next gen Xbox until it was clear they were not prepared for this gen.
mayham2199
Member
I hear this all the time but we really don't know that. Not only that but I've heard enough devs complain about the Series S to make me believe that if other devs are having issues with it I bet MS's own studios are to. The last thing MS needs is to make game development even more difficult for their own studios.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Oh yeah I agree. My point was they were a newbie and shattered it
Klayzer
Member
Yeah, I was just backing up your post.
Nydius
Gold Member
The Series X is “dead at the door” because of the Series S. Microsoft marketed it to the masses as “the same but cheaper” so people bought it rather than the X. Only enthusiasts or people who wanted access to physical media paid attention to the deeper differences.
And then they told devs that they HAD to ensure feature parity so Microsoft could make good on those marketing claims to the masses (which inevitably blew up in their faces with BG3, handing a win to Sony in the process).
We will never know what the Series X might have sold if they had taken the PS5 path (both using the same hardware, one omitting the optical drive). The only thing we can say for certain, thanks to the now redacted FTC leaks, is that the Series S cannibalized sales of the Series X to a significant degree.
Stooky
Banned
I always thought apple would fit that role. If the next apple tv has m2 chip or above (m3 m4) that would be a perfect trojan horse console.