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[MogCakes]

Who is he?

If he's a Sony exec, then that's a very good sign.

I googled him, he is an SCEA producer.

 

[daffy]

If that's the case, I feel we would all be better off in a full-on Steam type situation. Less confusing than this half measure, and you might see better sales.

How though? There's no reason to do sales now, it would be like feeding the stray cats gathered outside your door some extra nibbles out of pity.

 

[brandonh83]

I would love it if I had some goddamn games to play on it. But I know Nintendo will deliver some classics, which is why I bought it.

Doesn't stop me from feeling like a fool for buying it at launch though.

At least whenever they come and you buy them you'll be able to do whatever the fuck you want with them, considering that they will 100 percent belong to you.

Crazy concept, I know.

 

[Ixzion]

If Sony does ANYTHING like this, I don't fucking care if it's only SLIGHTLY like Xbone, I swear I will be a PC + Wii U only player this generation. It is a matter of principle.

It wouldn't be that bad, either. There's been so many good games released over the years that I've never played that I have enough games to play until I'm dead.

 

[RiPPn]

Angry Joe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw

Oops already posted..

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

I don't understand why people are OK with this but weren't OK with the older news.

Dude it's like they're spinning in circles.

 

[hlhbk]

Going by a Google search, he's a SCEA executive producer.


this is good guys, a real fucking good sign.

I don't see where his twitter account is verified? Maybe its a fake?

 

[Proven]

Angry Joe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw

Oops already posted..

Well I just got in, so thanks.

 

[bigtroyjon]

If Sony does ANYTHING like this, I don't fucking care if it's only SLIGHTLY like Xbone, I swear I will be a PC + Wii U only player this generation. It is a matter of principle

If it's about principle why would you have a console that restricts digital purchases to a single, specific piece of hardware?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nikoro/status/342858337676824577?p=v

I LOVE this guy's quotes.

"And you know I always buy things new - I just like having access to it with as few strings attached as possible."

"Yeah, but that still doesn't make it feel any better. Can't collect what you don't really own, right?"

"I've had plenty of instances where something I "owned" digitally has suddenly not become playable when I've wanted to play it."

Superb!

 

[IdiotMyshkin]

http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw - Angry Joe

 

[Bunta]

I don't see where his twitter account is verified? Maybe its a fake?

Highly doubt that.

 

[strata8]

A couple of us brought this up about a week ago but I dont think most of GAF really believed that this surveillance was happening. It is happening, and collecting information from the Kinect peripheral would be even more useful than phone conversations and internet logs.

That's not happening.

•You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

•You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

•You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios:
◦A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned.
◦A card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.

 

[Rich!]

At least whenever they come and you buy them you'll be able to do whatever the fuck you want with them, considering that they will 100 percent belong to you.

Crazy concept, I know.

I finished Zombi U and sold it to a mate for £20. I used that money to buy NSMBU brand new on Amazon. I then traded that in at CEX for cash and used that money to buy some eshop games on the 3DS.

with the Xbone, none of that would have been possible. I'm absolutely amazed by how fucked it all is.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Anti-piracy, among other things. Mandatory security updates during check-in.

The 24 hour check up is required otherwise the whole system of licencing falls apart. Unless every system is telling the server what game license is active, on a specific account, and on what system it is active, the whole thing could easily be circumvented. The lockdown after that 24 hour period is exactly for preventing people from taking that disc and giving it to a friend to play while their one is offline. You can get away with it for a few hours, but eventually the system will prevent you from playing until it verifies you are legit.

Detecting piracy and auto downloading security updates are simply a bonus for microsoft.

 

[BumbleBee Castle]

I would love it if I had some goddamn games to play on it. But I know Nintendo will deliver some classics, which is why I bought it.

Doesn't stop me from feeling like a fool for buying it at launch though.

We were all fooled by their false "launch window" promises. Like you said though, the games are coming and hopefully Nintendo sweetens the deal by ushering in a new Ambassador program for us early adopters.

I think the WiiU is poised for a massive comeback after M$ figuratively cemented their feet and tossed themselves into the ocean.

 

[hlhbk]

I LOVE this guy's quotes.

"And you know I always buy things new - I just like having access to it with as few strings attached as possible."

"Yeah, but that still doesn't make it feel any better. Can't collect what you don't really own, right?"

Superb!

Again take anything coming out of that account with a grain of salt. His account is not verified and could be like the fake Kaz twitter.

 

[MogCakes]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nikoro/status/342858337676824577?p=v

This is very good news. Or rather a very good hint at good news. Man I am hoping so hard.

 

[jdmonmou]

Apologies if this has been discussed before, but do we have any concrete info on what "participating retailers" actually means?

Participating retailers would need to be hooked up to a Microsoft database to transfer games from one user to another. Gamestop will be a participating retailer. I'm not sure who the other participating retailers will be.

 

[brandonh83]

I finished Zombi U and sold it to a mate for £20. I used that money to buy NSMBU brand new on Amazon. I then traded that in at CEX for cash and used that money to buy some eshop games on the 3DS.

with the Xbone, none of that would have been possible. I'm absolutely amazed by how fucked it all is.

Damn.

Hopefully Nintendo and Sony got our backs.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

If it's about principle why would you have a console that restricts digital purchases to a single, specific piece of hardware?

But that is something easily avoided by buying games like we have for the past decade. On a disc.

 

[Rich!]

I don't see where his twitter account is verified? Maybe its a fake?

Yeah of course it is dude.


No.

 

[hlhbk]

Highly doubt that.

Based on what?

 

[Bunta]

Based on what?

Look how many tweets the dude has. This isn't a parody account.

https://twitter.com/yosp doesn't have the verified check next to his name, you think his account is fake, too?

 

[Jb]

That's not happening.

Then why not straight up allow users to be able to turn on and use the XB1 without Kinect? After we learned what's happening today and how easily the NSA can access the data you've uploaded to the internet, do they really expect people to just blindly trust a company like Microsoft that they're going to protect that data?

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Participating retailers would need to be hooked up to a Microsoft database to transfer games from one user to another. Gamestop will be a participating retailer. I'm not sure who the other participating retailers will be.

I'd assume any retailers choose to participate. I imagine MS would provide the software etc. and that it shouldn't differ much than stores having to be able to activate PSN/XBL/Nintendo e shop cards to be able to sell them.

 

[hlhbk]

Yeah of course it is dude.


No.

Yeah sorry. You guys are right. There never could be a fake twitter account....

I want it to be true but after being completely dicked over by Microsoft I am waiting till I hear it next week to believe it.

 

[AOC83]

Wow. What a fuckin nightmare.

Never going to buy anything console related from Microsoft ever again, what an abomination of a console and what a terrible company.

Just hope they are forced to leave the console business after this gen.

 

[Rich!]

Based on what?

Based on logic, common sense, and his LinkedIn profile.

but you know what, why don't you get onto Twitter and ask him if he's real or not? You can share your findings with us afterwards if you wish!

You better ask yosp if he's real too! After all, he's not verified!!

 

[Cynar]

http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw - Angry Joe

He's pretty dead on with a lot of what he's saying. Had me laugh right at the beginning. I can't believe the bs that microsoft is actually attempting.

 

[Tylahedras]

I don't understand why people are OK with this but weren't OK with the older news.

Sheeple.

 

[Zomba13]

At least Nintendo are letting us buy, sell and trade retail games like normal this gen. Yeah, their account system sucks (digital title bound to the console) but that is something that could potentially change at some point (not so much that it might, on that it can).

I really hope Sony don't go this route with DRM and used games. It's making the Xbone look really unattractive right now.

 

[Ixzion]

But that is something easily avoided by buying games like we have for the past decade. On a disc.

Yep.

 

[bndadm]

So Microsoft has to approve of me (like a doting parent) playing a new game I bought every 24 hours.

Since I can't rent, I won't be inclined to buy a game unless I fully wait for several reviews. So there goes any day 1 sale. And if I can't buy used (if the publisher says no-no), then I will wait until its marked down so low the publisher probably won't see a dime when I buy it.

If I take my console anywhere for more than one day (like I do my Wii / Wii U at Christmas) that does not have internet, I'm boned.

No word yet on if I also have to pay Microsoft for the pleasure of playing online.

Not...finding a lot to get me racing to a pre-order here. And I agree with the others - if you're making a product so cumbersome that a pirate will have an easier time using it (ignoring cost) then the average consumer...shame on you.

 

[Klocker]

Two 'optional' systems are not necessarily the same.

A key point is what the default position is.

With Microsoft's system, opt-in means a publisher allows the limited trade of second hand games. Opt-out means that trade won't work at all.

In another optional system, opt-in might mean a publisher allows the limited trade of second hand games, while opt-out means second hand games work as they always did before.

There's a pretty big difference between the two systems. The first is crafted so that publishers opting in look like relative 'good guys', and completely eliminates the possibility of other publishers undermining them by going DRM free or whatever.

The second system is crafted so that publishers opting in look like relative 'bad guys' and leaves the market open to competition from DRM-free pubs, or open to influence from consumer behaviour that attracts pubs to DRM-free games.

To date, when people have talked about an opt-in Sony system, I think they've been thinking of the second kind of system. But with MS opening a whole new world, who knows... we shall see. Just don't assume one 'opt-in' system is the same as another.

good points, the Ms system also leaves pubs open to make their own deals which sounds like "do what they want" to me

 

[sometimes i game]

That's not happening.

Facebook and GMail tell you the same kind of shit, but they're off giving the government every single thing you ever do.

A camera in homes, always connected to the internet? Seems like PRISM will be on this in a heartbeat.

 

[strata8]

Then why not straight up allow users to be able to turn on and use the XB1 without Kinect? After we learned what's happening today and how easily the NSA can access the data you've uploaded to the internet, do they really expect people to just blindly trust a company like Microsoft that they're going to protect that data?

It's much much easier to design an OS, game, or app around Kinect if you can assume that it's available all the time.

Facebook and GMail tell you the same kind of shit, but they're off giving the government every single thing you ever do.

Where do they say that?

 

[Kyon]

I don't understand why people are OK with this but weren't OK with the older news.

because they see

"HEY GUYZ NO FEE"

so it looks more appealing somehow even tho nothing has changed in reality

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Again take anything coming out of that account with a grain of salt. His account is not verified and could be like the fake Kaz twitter.

The Kaz one is obvious satire. This guy looks legit.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

The 24 hour check up is required otherwise the whole system of licencing falls apart. Unless every system is telling the server what game license is active, on a specific account, and on what system it is active, the whole thing could easily be circumvented. The lockdown after that 24 hour period is exactly for preventing people from taking that disc and giving it to a friend to play while their one is offline. You can get away with it for a few hours, but eventually the system will prevent you from playing until it verifies you are legit.

Detecting piracy and auto downloading security updates are simply a bonus for microsoft.

I don't think that's needed.

It could just register that copy of the game to an account the first time it's put in.

If someone else took the disc and tried to install/activate, it should fail and say it's already linked to another account since that first activation is saved in the system.

It's no different than PC games/software with CD keys that require activation online. If the number of installs is used up, it won't activate.

No need for daily checks to stop piracy as the system can just block any installs/activations if that copy of the game is already linked to another account.

 

[Rhindle]

Then why not straight up allow users to be able to turn on and use the XB1 without Kinect? After we learned what's happening today and how easily the NSA can access the data you've uploaded to the internet, do they really expect people to just blindly trust a company like Microsoft that they're going to protect that data?

I would imagine they want a game to be able to say: "We're going to need to turn on XYZ Kinect functions to support this game mode, mmmK?"

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

How though? There's no reason to do sales now, it would be like feeding the stray cats gathered outside your door some extra nibbles out of pity.

I thought that too, but then why are Amazon and Steam offering games at such a low price in conjunction with publishers? That could be just as closed. I feel like the concept of some ownership of a disc that could e worth something will keep prices high.

I tend to buy PC games at a price that I find acceptable for the time I will actually use the product. Access to games later is just gravy.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

If it's about principle why would you have a console that restricts digital purchases to a single, specific piece of hardware?

Don't have to buy digital.

 

[Windom Earle]

Giant LoL @ the social media advertising accounts on the first few pages of this thread. Microsoft really went full retard this time around.

.

Fuck this

 

[hlhbk]

Based on logic, common sense, and his LinkedIn profile.

but you know what, why don't you get onto Twitter and ask him if he's real or not? You can share your findings with us afterwards if you wish!

You better ask yosp if he's real too! After all, he's not verified!!

I just asked him to verify its actually him in some way.

 

[TAJ]

It's definitely the best solution I've seen. So basically like this?

- Games require a one-time internet connection to be activated.
- Once activated:
--- A license check occurs every 24 hours
--- They can be played without a disc as long as the license has been verified
--- If they can't verify that you own the game (ie, if you're offline) you need to insert the disc to play

Also, I'll add:
- If you activate the game on your console, the license is revoked from the previous owner

Basically allows you to trade the game between anyone and everyone, and doesn't require always online to play.

MS could've easily gone with this. Unfortunately I think they're bending over backwards for publishers.

The bolded part would never, EVER happen. They'd make the disc version a clearly better value proposition, and they'd rather sell you the download because the margins are higher. Plus it would enable business as usual for used sales. Think, McFly, think.

And transferring licenses means check-ins, period.

 

[alstein]

So Microsoft has to approve of me (like a doting parent) playing a new game I bought every 24 hours.

Since I can't rent, I won't be inclined to buy a game unless I fully wait for several reviews. So there goes any day 1 sale. And if I can't buy used (if the publisher says no-no), then I will wait until its marked down so low the publisher probably won't see a dime when I buy it.

If I take my console anywhere for more than one day (like I do my Wii / Wii U at Christmas) that does not have internet, I'm boned.

No word yet on if I also have to pay Microsoft for the pleasure of playing online.

Not...finding a lot to get me racing to a pre-order here. And I agree with the others - if you're making a product so cumbersome that a pirate will have an easier time using it (ignoring cost) then the average consumer...shame on you.

I believe they confirmed at the launch you still pay for XBL.

No way I buy this console under the current conditions. If Sony does the same thing, I can walk from consoles.

 

[outsida]

Microsoft has to know something that we don't. Otherwise they'd just be handing this generation over to Sony. It's just not adding up to me.

 

[pitcairn55]

I don't understand why people are OK with this but weren't OK with the older news.

Because this is concrete, straight from the horse's mouth news. A lot of people didn't want to believe it was true, but now it obviously is true, some of those who really want an Xbox One are trying to convince themselves it's not as bad as it seems. I have some sympathy with them. If Sony pull some similar shit I can quite see my inner fanboy desperately trying to downplay it.

 

[Rhindle]

I don't think that's needed.

It could just register that copy of the game to an account the first time it's put in.

If someone else took the disc and tried to install/activate, it should fail and say it's already linked to another account since that first activation is saved in the system.

It's no different than PC games/software with CD keys that require activation online. If the number of installs is used up, it won't activate.

No need for daily checks to stop piracy as the system can just block any installs/activations if that copy of the game is already linked to another account.

Exactly. The 24-hour check thing defies explanation.