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Xbox One sells one million+ (sell through to consumers) in all territories worldwide
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but 30% less power
I strongly believe they released in multiple territories on purpose, try to get those folks who have to wait for the ps4 and get them to get whats here and now. I have nothing to go off of but I think microsoft thinks they have a pretty good foothold in NA, they need the sales outside of NA. I believe they figure US will go buy xboxes anyway when theyre available, not so much in other countries. Grabbin at straws, I'm aware.
Officerrob
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I hope you are joking
Neuromancer
Member
On the one hand I still have not forgiven and forgotten the reveal, the DRM fiasco and their horrible PR around that time, and so part of me wanted to see this thing crash and burn. On the other hand it's in everyone's best interest for this system to do well, for the good of the industry and competition's sake, so part of me is glad it did well.
So many different emotions inside me, tearing me apart.
So many different emotions inside me, tearing me apart.
seems legit
IrishNinja
Member
this is definitely my takeaway, that and the same tired mess we get every cycle about how this is the last of em
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Impressive. I would have thought that MS had supply issues. Well done.
Here here....
MutonCommander
Banned
It's way too soon to say that. Right now the people buying these are the hardcore console gamers, we've yet to see if the mainstream market will follow suit.
GAF are in for a rude awakening then. Most consumers don't have a clue. In fact, talking to one last night, he believed Xbone would get better ports because when he had a 360 and PS3 the games were noticeably better on the 360. I told him the PS4 was more powerful this time around, but I could see it didn't change his mind.
UberTag
Member
Canada and non-US markets were really shorted on console supply by Microsoft.
The Xbox One was clearly the system to buy if you were looking to flip it for profit - this, despite the fact it's also reasonable to conclude that the PS4 is more in demand.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Sony had to fight and claw and invest in more game development and studios to garner this good graces in the later years of the generation after the horrendous black eye of the release year of the PS3. In a competitive market, doing well for the sake of doing well isn't enough. They have to prove and earn their way to the market to make their system be in demand, why they are competitive, it's MS recourse for people to want it and if the market accepts it.
It's hard to reward such failed attempts at anti-consumers polices and luckily we as gamers were heard despite the gaming press feeling it was futile; that's the biggest win thus far.
It doesn't help that mainstream media are disregarding that. However, it seems like more consumers are more interested in Kinect and the TV capabilities, in combination with the high xb360 attach rate. All in all youre right, they dont really care about that.
In my experiences it's pretty split. It was so widely publicized.
I had to tell my cousin today that the One can't play 360 games and he was surprised, and I consider him pretty tech savvy too. At the end of the day, I think many enthusiast gamers sort-of underestimate what gamers (and the mainstream in general) value in their purchases, which coincidentally a lot of align with why the 360 has been strong in North America throughout it's lifetime and the appeal of the X1 as well.
Perhaps waiting this long will play in their favor? Two or three years ago smartphone gaming was smoking hot but I can't help but feel that it's lost its luster. I was buying iOS games constantly back then but this year I've purchased just two iOS games. It's just not a exciting space for me anymore and I'm sure I'm not alone.
After ALL the bad PR Microsoft have had the ENTIRE YEAR, they still manage to make it the best selling xbox yet... crazy... I think they would have to be pretty pleased... and I think Sony is thinking they wished they had it in the bag, but there's probably still a lot of work for them to do to regain all the lost users from PS2 to PS3.
Walked into EB Games again today, on all the PS4 advertising it said - join the queue for a console in 2014, and XBOX One was available now. This has been the message for the last 3 or 4 months, if thats the case, I bet there's tons of people who aren't willing to wait for a PS4 and probably just getting a Xbox One today.... would the general public know that one outputs at 720p while the other at 1080p unless they were told? Hardly, I think. They probably also read somewhere that they both have 8gb ram anyway and both have 500gb hard drive and they BOTH have COD. I mean it never stopped the PS2 winning the console war when the xbox was far superior in hardware.
So yeah I don't think its over at all in terms of the console war, I think microsoft HAS to be pretty pleased with itself, given how trounced they were in the lead up AND considering the surface had nowhere near as bad press and tanked so bad and also particularly as it seemed like it was rushed to production, rushed for presentation and rushed for release this year. If it was coming out March next year, PS4 may have too much of a head start, probably a 6m unit head start. Now if both run to March - given its projections, xbox may only be ceding 3m or so units.
Also I don't think the $100 difference is THAT significant for first day buyers... particularly when the PS4 is not available anyway and probably selling at way more than $499 on ebay... in fact xbox is probably a bargain in that case and selling units. Sure no one really wants kinect anymore, but consumers aren't really given a choice, I don't think people will refuse to buy a next gen console because of kinect, they will grumble a bit and just fork out the money.
I have to say, the last six months hearing the xbone get bashed endlessly for being inferior, for having kinect, for having always online etc etc was pretty tiresome, I mean Sony did a great job stealthily fuelling the fanboys, lobbing grenades over at Microsoft whenever they could (and sometimes not so stealthily). But in the end both consoles and both UIs are probably better than last generations, and both play great games. The launch lineups while I didn't think looked great to begin with, have really grown on me. When was the last time we had games of the calibre of Forza, Killzone, Battlefield, NBA 2k14, AC4, COD, Fifa 14 and a long lineup of indie games. So I mean, after all the bashing, the xbone to me looks like a really impressive system... and the only reason Im not getting one right now is that I'm just going with the one system for the time being. But if I couldn't get the PS4, i sure as hell wouldn't feel gimped at getting an xbone.
Walked into EB Games again today, on all the PS4 advertising it said - join the queue for a console in 2014, and XBOX One was available now. This has been the message for the last 3 or 4 months, if thats the case, I bet there's tons of people who aren't willing to wait for a PS4 and probably just getting a Xbox One today.... would the general public know that one outputs at 720p while the other at 1080p unless they were told? Hardly, I think. They probably also read somewhere that they both have 8gb ram anyway and both have 500gb hard drive and they BOTH have COD. I mean it never stopped the PS2 winning the console war when the xbox was far superior in hardware.
So yeah I don't think its over at all in terms of the console war, I think microsoft HAS to be pretty pleased with itself, given how trounced they were in the lead up AND considering the surface had nowhere near as bad press and tanked so bad and also particularly as it seemed like it was rushed to production, rushed for presentation and rushed for release this year. If it was coming out March next year, PS4 may have too much of a head start, probably a 6m unit head start. Now if both run to March - given its projections, xbox may only be ceding 3m or so units.
Also I don't think the $100 difference is THAT significant for first day buyers... particularly when the PS4 is not available anyway and probably selling at way more than $499 on ebay... in fact xbox is probably a bargain in that case and selling units. Sure no one really wants kinect anymore, but consumers aren't really given a choice, I don't think people will refuse to buy a next gen console because of kinect, they will grumble a bit and just fork out the money.
I have to say, the last six months hearing the xbone get bashed endlessly for being inferior, for having kinect, for having always online etc etc was pretty tiresome, I mean Sony did a great job stealthily fuelling the fanboys, lobbing grenades over at Microsoft whenever they could (and sometimes not so stealthily). But in the end both consoles and both UIs are probably better than last generations, and both play great games. The launch lineups while I didn't think looked great to begin with, have really grown on me. When was the last time we had games of the calibre of Forza, Killzone, Battlefield, NBA 2k14, AC4, COD, Fifa 14 and a long lineup of indie games. So I mean, after all the bashing, the xbone to me looks like a really impressive system... and the only reason Im not getting one right now is that I'm just going with the one system for the time being. But if I couldn't get the PS4, i sure as hell wouldn't feel gimped at getting an xbone.
That would have been such a bad move, its facing an uphill battle outside of the us as it is, if they handed sony a price difference a week advantage and the power difference in europe they would be totally fucked. Ms placed the launch well, usa is its strongest place and launching a week earlier than sony in places like uk will have won them sales without a doubt.
Nightengale
Member
Most consumers don't have a clue, but these kind of 'under-the-hood' stuff are not meant to be day-one blow-outs, but a narrative that builds over time. Similar to the 360 > PS3 narrative.
CoD being 720p on XB1 was the closest thing to a mainstream blow-out on the power difference. I'd argue that has an actual material impact of some people's purchasing decisions, especially those who only play CoD and practically nothing else.
Price will be the deciding factor, ms was only ever strong in uk and usa, they are in for a massive struggle outside of those two because of price alone.
You're in for a rude awakening boyo.
I know for a fact if ms had been a week later here in the uk at least four of my friends wouldve just picked up the ps4. I know its not hard facts but a week is a week for people itching for a new console youd be surprised at the amount of people that would effect. If sony had done a ww launch instead of just NA i think it wouldve been huge.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Sony seems to be in a much better position with their launch; already they have a headstart in NA with a potentially bigger install base and is launching soon in Europe with even more countries than MS this month. When it's all said and done it is just a two week window for Sony. MS is sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of launch windows and countries launches.
That is a silly question.
We have seen the percentages in a ton of European markets. None of them are like Japan. UK, XBox won. In France and Germany, they did maybe half the business of PS3. In what universe would you give up selling a product because it was not number one, but you still sold a lot of product?
You do not have to win in order to be successful.
Look at car companies. Does every manufacturer that is not the top seller stop producing cars. It is good for fanboy wars, but that is not how the actual world works.
SwiftDeath
Member
That's a misnomer
The demand on the secondary market is higher due to it likely selling out in your area
If Sony better quelled the demand on the primary market for the PS4 with higher numbers than the resell market on the PS4 would have less demand because it had already been fulfilled
I like this. And we are going to get new Star Wars quotes during this generation. I think this is a good time to be alive.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Good for the industry, and better for the consumer to have competing companies.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Congrats to MS. Great sales.
I know it effects a lot of people, buy ms "only" shifted the same amount of units as sony but spread across 13 countries.
That doesnt make much of an impact in any of these territories.
A focussed approach is better for building critical mass.
All this really tells us on both sides is that both sides are better at delivering than they were in the previous generation. Hardware shortages are lessened, more avenues to preorder exist than 8 years ago especially online, the Nintendo branded console is forgotten as a contender, etc. Yes everyone is breaking records because those Foxconn (and similar) factories are in full swing this time and are better equipped 8 years later to pump out personal electronics at a blistering pace.
So honestly, nothing has been decided or determined yet. And "breaking records" doesn't mean a whole lot when companies like Amazon are delivering these consoles to every agoraphobe's front door.
So honestly, nothing has been decided or determined yet. And "breaking records" doesn't mean a whole lot when companies like Amazon are delivering these consoles to every agoraphobe's front door.
I agree with both arguments and understand why they spread their launch... But I think this strategy of having folks pick up an xbox one before the ps4 releases would have worked if the launches wern't a week apart..
the War will be over in 7 days.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Same.
I've spoke on GAF that I was going to wait until next year for a PS4 but I've got the itch and I'll get an Xbox One this weekend hopefully.
And my friend George was going to get a PS4 next week but he can't wait either!
So that's why the PS4 sold the same amount in two countries opposed to 13?
Absolutely. Microsoft is acutely aware that Sony has the upper hand with hitting 1m in NA alone; offering granular data would just make the X1's performance seem all the less impressive.
Opus Angelorum
Member
This fact could be misleading.
Microsoft may only have had this amount of units to sell.
Sony and Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing. Last gen Sony didn't do great in the U.S so they blitzed there early focusing their stock in hopes of gaining marketshare. Last gen MS didn't do great outside the U.S, so they launched earlier in Europe to get marketshare. Granted the fact of the matter is both sides only really got a one week drop on the other so it really is going to be meaningless.
NoirVisage
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This is truer than a lot people want to admit.