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[slapnuts]

After ALL the bad PR Microsoft have had the ENTIRE YEAR, they still manage to make it the best selling xbox yet... crazy... I think they would have to be pretty pleased... and I think Sony is thinking they wished they had it in the bag, but there's probably still a lot of work for them to do to regain all the lost users from PS2 to PS3.

Walked into EB Games again today, on all the PS4 advertising it said - join the queue for a console in 2014, and XBOX One was available now. This has been the message for the last 3 or 4 months, if thats the case, I bet there's tons of people who aren't willing to wait for a PS4 and probably just getting a Xbox One today.... would the general public know that one outputs at 720p while the other at 1080p unless they were told? Hardly, I think. They probably also read somewhere that they both have 8gb ram anyway and both have 500gb hard drive and they BOTH have COD. I mean it never stopped the PS2 winning the console war when the xbox was far superior in hardware.

So yeah I don't think its over at all in terms of the console war, I think microsoft HAS to be pretty pleased with itself, given how trounced they were in the lead up AND considering the surface had nowhere near as bad press and tanked so bad and also particularly as it seemed like it was rushed to production, rushed for presentation and rushed for release this year. If it was coming out March next year, PS4 may have too much of a head start, probably a 6m unit head start. Now if both run to March - given its projections, xbox may only be ceding 3m or so units.

Also I don't think the $100 difference is THAT significant for first day buyers... particularly when the PS4 is not available anyway and probably selling at way more than $499 on ebay... in fact xbox is probably a bargain in that case and selling units. Sure no one really wants kinect anymore, but consumers aren't really given a choice, I don't think people will refuse to buy a next gen console because of kinect, they will grumble a bit and just fork out the money.

I have to say, the last six months hearing the xbone get bashed endlessly for being inferior, for having kinect, for having always online etc etc was pretty tiresome, I mean Sony did a great job stealthily fuelling the fanboys, lobbing grenades over at Microsoft whenever they could (and sometimes not so stealthily). But in the end both consoles and both UIs are probably better than last generations, and both play great games. The launch lineups while I didn't think looked great to begin with, have really grown on me. When was the last time we had games of the calibre of Forza, Killzone, Battlefield, NBA 2k14, AC4, COD, Fifa 14 and a long lineup of indie games. So I mean, after all the bashing, the xbone to me looks like a really impressive system... and the only reason Im not getting one right now is that I'm just going with the one system for the time being. But if I couldn't get the PS4, i sure as hell wouldn't feel gimped at getting an xbone.

Your Original Xbox vs PS2 is a very unfair comparison...at the time, the Original Xbox did NOT have any solid foundation built yet..while PS2 did. So that power difference comparison you made does not really count.

Another thing i would like to point out is i noticed a HUGE amount of hasty judgements going on around Gaf and other gaming forums since the PS4 and Xbox One has been released.. The majority of Day 1 buyers have been nothing but the more hardcore gamers which in all honestly is a TINY FRACTION of the main bulk of future buyers...the regular average joe crowd is always the majority in console sales...believe it of not. My point is...just about everything you are saying along with everyone else making judgements so early in the next gen consoles are imho ...very hasty to say the least.

To be honest..if we really want a GOOD indication this early in these new consoles...go call around and ask if the xbox one is in stock and ask if the PS4 is in stock....i guarantee the xbox one is in stock in A LOT of stores..where as the PS4 is no where to be found and most likely will be hard to find a PS4 well after Christmas passes on by.

Price does matter...right now not so much because again most buyers are the more hardcore buyers that already set aside funds to buy a console on launch day...the rest of the sales in the near future and far off future will be the more casual gamers or those that simply will only be able to afford a console later down the road.

Long story short....i would put all my marbles on PS4 this generation by a HUGE margin...they just got too much going for it this time around and most important is price point and exclusives..the two main factors in a successful console and Sony has this sowed up BIGTIME.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

So that's why the PS4 sold the same amount in two countries opposed to 13?

Sony sold the same amount in 2 countries as opposed to 13 because they shipped the same amount to 2 countries as opposed to 13.

Keep some perspective. Sony and Microsoft are selling everything they're shipping, and both are putting up a huge number. Sony is going to pile on with Europe. But when this launch period ends, that's when reality will be revealed. Wii U put up big numbers last year (not this big). And then January happened.

I think Sony is going to have the demand advantage next year, for sure. But these numbers don't say anything about it.

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not messed up this whole year so badly.

The number would be 1 million.

 

[iamshadowlark]

It's way too soon to say that. Right now the people buying these are the hardcore console gamers, we've yet to see if the mainstream market will follow suit.

Lol how is it too early to say that? You know how much revenue consoles are gonna generate this year? Hell this quarter?

If anything is too early or premature, its the notion that tablets/smartphones took over gaming from consoles...

 

[Slayer-33]

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not fucked up this whole year so badly.

Would have been wild AF specially here in the US.

The XBO is getting a lot of positive reception though.

 

[Frankenstein]

I don´t know how many units Microsoft shipped but here in Germany you can still buy one in many stores so i suppose that the demand isn´t really that high.

 

[RulkezX]

After ALL the bad PR Microsoft have had the ENTIRE YEAR, they still manage to make it the best selling xbox yet... crazy... I think they would have to be pretty pleased... and I think Sony is thinking they wished they had it in the bag, but there's probably still a lot of work for them to do to regain all the lost users from PS2 to PS3.

Walked into EB Games again today, on all the PS4 advertising it said - join the queue for a console in 2014, and XBOX One was available now. This has been the message for the last 3 or 4 months, if thats the case, I bet there's tons of people who aren't willing to wait for a PS4 and probably just getting a Xbox One today.... would the general public know that one outputs at 720p while the other at 1080p unless they were told? Hardly, I think. They probably also read somewhere that they both have 8gb ram anyway and both have 500gb hard drive and they BOTH have COD. I mean it never stopped the PS2 winning the console war when the xbox was far superior in hardware.

So yeah I don't think its over at all in terms of the console war, I think microsoft HAS to be pretty pleased with itself, given how trounced they were in the lead up AND considering the surface had nowhere near as bad press and tanked so bad and also particularly as it seemed like it was rushed to production, rushed for presentation and rushed for release this year. If it was coming out March next year, PS4 may have too much of a head start, probably a 6m unit head start. Now if both run to March - given its projections, xbox may only be ceding 3m or so units.

Also I don't think the $100 difference is THAT significant for first day buyers... particularly when the PS4 is not available anyway and probably selling at way more than $499 on ebay... in fact xbox is probably a bargain in that case and selling units. Sure no one really wants kinect anymore, but consumers aren't really given a choice, I don't think people will refuse to buy a next gen console because of kinect, they will grumble a bit and just fork out the money.

I have to say, the last six months hearing the xbone get bashed endlessly for being inferior, for having kinect, for having always online etc etc was pretty tiresome, I mean Sony did a great job stealthily fuelling the fanboys, lobbing grenades over at Microsoft whenever they could (and sometimes not so stealthily). But in the end both consoles and both UIs are probably better than last generations, and both play great games. The launch lineups while I didn't think looked great to begin with, have really grown on me. When was the last time we had games of the calibre of Forza, Killzone, Battlefield, NBA 2k14, AC4, COD, Fifa 14 and a long lineup of indie games. So I mean, after all the bashing, the xbone to me looks like a really impressive system... and the only reason Im not getting one right now is that I'm just going with the one system for the time being. But if I couldn't get the PS4, i sure as hell wouldn't feel gimped at getting an xbone.

I'm sure their relieved that it's not a flop, I doubt they are happy that they only managed to equals the Sony numbers when the PS4 isn't out in it's strongest territories yet.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

This fact could be misleading.

Microsoft may only have had this amount of units to sell.

Well that is a problem for MS even if demand is the same the company that ships more going to have the upper hand .
That is something MS does not want because it can lead to momentum and they at a price disadvantage this time .

 

[BigDug13]

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not fucked up this whole year so badly.

I don't understand. Nothing about Microsoft's failed policies or PR blunders has contributed to the number of consoles they've pumped out. They're selling through everything they've built so what exact difference would you expect if they didn't stumble with poor policies and shit messaging and 180's? Wouldn't they still sell the exact same amount as they currently have?

Seriously, if the 180 didn't happen and Microsoft was able to flood all markets with over 1 million consoles on day 1 and the vast majority of gamers were still pissed at their anti-consumer policies, they would have still sold the same amount by this time.

Sell-through of all the stock you can provide when your year-long-hyped console finally releases isn't impressive. What's impressive is how many consoles both companies were able to pump out and that can be attributed to the incredible advances in these emerging countries who are pumping out personal electronics in their factories like never before.

I think the "yearly phone and tablet upgrades" society that the world is embracing has actually caused these factories to become quite efficient in pumping out this stuff at a record-breaking pace.

The only news here is how quickly companies are able to flood markets to attempt to meet demand. We're far from the time of "supply greater than demand" on both sides.

 

[Neuromancer]

the War will be over in 7 days.

How so?

 

[sono]

This is excellent news for gaming. I hope both continue to do big numbers in that respect.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

I don´t know how many units Microsoft shipped but here in Germany you can still buy one in many stores so i suppose that the demand isn´t really that high.

They're not going to be doing any big numbers outside of the US and maybe the UK (most likely at least), so that's no surprise.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Well that is a problem for MS even if demand is the same the company that ships more going to have the upper hand .
That is something MS does not want because it can lead to momentum and they at a price disadvantage this time .

Absolutely, but if people think Microsoft shipped two or three times the number of systems as Sony simply because they offered it in more countries...they are mistaken.

 

[Boyzi]

Wonder how may Xbot fans (including me) they've actually lost this gen? Nevertheless, competition is good for all concerened and it's in all our interests that they keep Sony on their toes. I just can't shake this bad vibe I have about MS though these days. Whatever, hope everybody who's invested their hard-earned cash into the Xbox One brand are enjoying their purchases.

 

[MutonCommander]

Lol how is it too early to say that? You know how much revenue consoles are gonna generate this year? Hell this quarter?

Consoles are an expensive business, one that can't survive on the hardcore gamer pool alone. We need to see if sales will stay healthy after the initial rush.

 

[B_Boss]

Absolutely. Microsoft is acutely aware that Sony has the upper hand with hitting 1m in NA alone; offering granular data would just make the X1's performance seem all the less impressive.

You know thats what I figured but thanks for the response.

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not fucked up this whole year so badly.

Honestly I've wondered how the numbers would be even if there were no 180. I assume it would've been disastrous (MS even knew this hence the 180) but I'm interested either way.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

How so?

He is referring to the absolutely fucking dementedly lop-sided Playstation pre-order advantage outside of the US, in all the territories that the PS4 launches next week.

I don't think it will be that simple, but I'm certainly glad to have an equal footing to begin this generation, which means both will have great exclusives for the next couple of years.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

grats on the launch.

 

[Alpende]

Good for them. But 1 million for all territories is way less than PS4's launch and they still have Europe to launch in. Of course Xbox also has some countries in Europe they have to launch in but that's in 2014.

I think PS4 is going to destroy the Xbone in sales.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Thats quite impressive given the negative coverage it has had. I reckon it will probably lose out in the long run. I think these machines are just even more similar than last gen.

 

[Ishan]

I was going to quote the guy and reply till I realized he's banned .... But it's a good launch for Xbox one too .... I would say as strong as ps4 because of the regions involved but it's a healthy competition it seems so far . No one is dominating in a massive scale and that will only benefit us gamers !!! Basically good times on the horizon peeps

 

[DieH@rd]

One million across 13 different territories doesn't sound like a lot me.

But that is the only number that MS can report and be somewhat proud of it. It is their biggest launch.

I fully expect that Sony will report in a week that they have ~2.5 million PS4's sold globally... and that will be without EU tier2 countries that will start getting their consoles on ~Dec15 [Hungary and surrounding territories].

 

[Danziger]

Great numbers, but for the moment, Sony is the winner!
And things for the future does not look set to change!

 

[Copenap]

Sony sold the same amount in 2 countries as opposed to 13 because they shipped the same amount to 2 countries as opposed to 13.

Keep some perspective. Sony and Microsoft are selling everything they're shipping, and both are putting up a huge number. Sony is going to pile on with Europe. But when this launch period ends, that's when reality will be revealed. Wii U put up big numbers last year (not this big). And then January happened.

Fair enough, I'm however not sure MS would have been able to sell their whole stock in NA. Anyways, as you correctly point out this is only the beginning of a long road, that's exactly why I find points like "the general public does not care/does not know" a bit silly, because if there is something to know (e.g. one platform has better "x") it will become that narrative that will reach the general public. The question is just what this narrative will be, could end up with "omg Kinect is awesome" or "hey guys PS4 runs gamse better", we'll only know in a couple of years.

 

[ViciousDS]

Pft 1 million worldwide, while ps4 sells 1 million in USA and Canada alone.....this doesn't look good.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Pft 1 million worldwide, while ps4 sells 1 million in USA and Canada alone.....this doesn't look good.

Did you read any other posts?

Sigh.

 

[Anticitizen One]

I'm kinda hoping xbox sales remain strong. Intense competition keeps everyone in line. We have all seen what happens when each console manufacturer gains too much of an upper hand and no one wants that again.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

If you're a big fan of genres like JRPG's, etc., it'll be smart to own yourself a Playstation console or a gaming handheld. The only JRPG's that the Xbox One are going to be getting, are big budget ones like Final Fantasy XV & Kingdom Hearts III.

Are people still in denial about JRPGs being a niche genre? Because this has already been addressed. Final Fantasy XIII didn't even ship 7 million copies worldwide by 2013 and this was a game that was used to stuff channels like mad. You could pick up a copy for less than a dozen beers where I live after 6 months on sale. Meanwhile, Black Ops II sold over 7 million in America alone in the first month.

And Final Fantasy is your example of a big budget, cross-platform seller.

If you like JRPGs, by all means, get a PS4. But they are a niche genre and the comparative sales will be equal to those buying a Wii U for 3D World.

The Xbox is not missing out on any big third-party titles. After E3, it was looking like it might do Wii U numbers. This is now proven not to be the case.

 

[shinra-bansho]

People need to stop being silly. This is a very good first-day number. :/

 

[JimiNutz]

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not fucked up this whole year so badly.

Honestly...
They have some great games at launch and the hardware is decent.

If only they hadn't made such stupid decisions early on.

I'm absolutely loving the console and games on far but can understand why people are so down on MS.
It's a shame too because I think people would really like the console if they have it a chance and went in open minded.

MS really fucked up.

 

[1970 Chevelle SS]

He is referring to the absolutely fucking dementedly lop-sided Playstation pre-order advantage outside of the US, in all the territories that the PS4 launches next week.

I don't think it will be that simple, but I'm certainly glad to have an equal footing to begin this generation, which means both will have great exclusives for the next couple of years.

I honestly believe that after next friday Sony will hold on to a lead that will last this whole generation in terms of World Wide. I don't see how anyone can dispute this considering how bad they screwed things up last gen and still managed to nudge out MS.

This time they launch same time as their main competitor and at a better bargain with a huge positive message with little to no mess ups since the Febuary reveal.

 

[mrklaw]

Gotta wonder what the PS4's day one number would have been if other places besides North America got it on the same day.

We'll find out in a week. But nothing lines up perfectly, so identical comparisons will be impossible unless we get NPD leaks for xbox and PS4 November sales (but do they even include online sales)

- PS4 was earlier than Xbox so had less time to produce consoles for US
- Xbox launched in more markets, so should have a bigger demand than US only, but then they are also diluting their stock to cover all those markets
- second PS4 launch is in more markets than the Xbox launch, so again they should have more demand, and likewise will have stock dilution
- could Sony have shipped more than 1m to the US if it didn't have to divert stock to service the second wave? Xbox launch is 'global', so it is likely their entire production up to this point. If Sony do 1m in Europe and Australia next week, they basically produced 2m in the same period

 

[JawzPause]

Honestly is 1 million worldwide even impressive in comparison to NA alone?

 

[JaseC]

Honestly is 1 million worldwide even impressive in comparison to NA alone?

In comparison? Not at all. Removed that context, though, it's a successful launch -- the issue going forward is maintaining momentum.

 

[Nightengale]

Makes me wonder how freaking big this would be if MS had not fucked up this whole year so badly.

They would've still sold well. All things considered, the biggest impact that this has on MS is their product narrative, and maybe even long-term influencing decisions.

Eg. I know a few guys who previously planned to XB1 for Titanfall, but have since decided ever since the resolutiongate to just get it on the 360 or PC, and get a PS4 for other stuff.

Time wasted on marketing the fact that they did a 180 could've been better spent on aspects that could have improved their audience appeal.

I'd argue MS has had to choose extremely poor opportunity cost throughout the year.

 

[Maximilian E.]

Honestly is 1 million worldwide even impressive in comparison to NA alone?

Well, which number is bigger:

1 million.. or 1 million?

 

[TheLegendary]

Great news for gamers everywhere. Xbox One is deserving of those sales based on my experience. Great that the consoles will seemingly be competitive this gen.

 

[DieH@rd]

700k NA, 350k PAL (150k UK, 200k everywhere else).

Just over 1m shipped total.

That sounds reasonable.

 

[fanboi]

The most interesting thing during this launch is that Sony sold 1 million in US and Canada alone which has been their weakest market as in market share.

Which might be or might not be, telling for the coming future?

 

[liger05]

You have to laugh at the people who try to turn this into a bad number.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Does it make it more or less impressive that it was 1 million in Tier 1 countries alone? Hmm

Still, good launch for MS too.

 

[SkullHydra]

Honestly is 1 million worldwide even impressive in comparison to NA alone?

Yes, it actually is. Just because the PS4 is doing better, doesn't mean the XB1 is doing poorly. It's still very impressive... especially considering all the bad news they had going on earlier this year.

The most interesting thing is that Sony sold 1 million in US and Canada alone which has been their weakest market as in market share.

Definitely. The 360 had the majority control of the US the entire last gen. The fact that PS4 is beating it in home court is definitely amazing. I can't wait to see how it does overseas, where it's almost always been the primary console winner.

 

[imt558]

The big question: how many in NA?

Well, this is interesting :

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/successful-xbox-launch-means-stock-could-be-scarce

 

[-MD-]

Worldwide? Not as impressive as Sony's launch.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Well, this is interesting :

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/successful-xbox-launch-means-stock-could-be-scarce

Not really surprising, MS has been struggling with getting the hardware to the people, which was the reason for launching in tiers after all, wasn't it (if you count out the blah blah Kinect blah blah voice recognition blah blah balanced launch bullshit)

 

[Majine]

Europe in 1 week will give PS4 a massive boost.

 

[Chittagong]

One way to look at this is that for Xbone this was it, the big bang event of the year. It's anybody's guess whether they would increase their momentum this year from here. Sony, on the other hand, has still a massive European launch and a smaller Asian launch ahead and unaccounted for.

Personally I would guess this year ends at 5-3 to the advantage of Sony.

 

[imt558]

We'll find out in a week. But nothing lines up perfectly, so identical comparisons will be impossible unless we get NPD leaks for xbox and PS4 November sales (but do they even include online sales)

- PS4 was earlier than Xbox so had less time to produce consoles for US
- Xbox launched in more markets, so should have a bigger demand than US only, but then they are also diluting their stock to cover all those markets
- second PS4 launch is in more markets than the Xbox launch, so again they should have more demand, and likewise will have stock dilution
- could Sony have shipped more than 1m to the US if it didn't have to divert stock to service the second wave? Xbox launch is 'global', so it is likely their entire production up to this point. If Sony do 1m in Europe and Australia next week, they basically produced 2m in the same period

- PS4 was earlier than Xbox so had less time to produce consoles for US

Nope! PS4 started produce way before MS with XO. 1 or 2 months earlier. That's a catch.

 

[imtehman]

MS is in a better position than sony when sony released the PS3.

 

[Coolwhip]

lol at people who think console game crash is coming.

Lol at people who think early sales figures prove the contrary. You realise the hardcore Xbox fans have been waiting 8 years for a new toy. Of course they run to the store day 1, even after the mess MS has made. Now lets see the sales over the coming year, I am pretty damn sure it will be disappointing.

 

[Tsundere]

Europe in 1 week will give PS4 a massive boost.

PS4 will crush Xbox One sales in Europe on Friday.