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[SwiftDeath]

XB1

Nov 22nd
Australia
Austria
Brazil
Canada
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Spain
UK
US
NZ

And nothing else before 2014, no real details so far AFAIK.

Thanks I was just about to ask for this

Didn't think we had any hard dates for regions outside the initial XB1 launch countries besides 2014 for a couple

Yield issues confirmed? I thought MS will have big shipment next week for black friday, but here Phil Harrison saying that it will be hard getting Xbox One until Christmas. This looks bad.

Hmm but is Phil willing to bet anyone $1200 they won't be able to find one on shelves this Christmas?

 

[Steroyd]

I thought Sony said they expected 5 Million by March?

That's what they said, but I don't believe it unless it's how much they can manufacture in that time period.

 

[Nightengale]

Yield issues confirmed? I thought MS will have big shipment next week for black friday, but here Phil Harrison saying that it will be hard getting Xbox One until Christmas. This looks bad.

This is Harrison we're talking about, so more likely than not he's strictly referring to UK stock status.

If MS doesn't have sufficient Black Friday allocation, then there's no words. Only facepalm.

 

[kyser73]

Not even a day and they can already confirm 1 million sold through worldwide? I'll believe it when I see the receipts.

Most stores use electronic point of sale systems which send daily (sometimes by the minute - multiple chains like Wal-Mart have real-time stock level info) sales info up to head offices which then get funnelled out to suppliers.

Pretty straightforward really.

 

[Lynn616]

Titanfall is not some savior. At most, it will keep Microsoft's hardware sales steady. The price difference and the fact that it is on PC/360 reduces the effect it will have. Sony seems to have a ton of great software in Q1 of 2014 as well.

Why does it need a savior? Sounds like it is doing well.

 

[level44]

Good but not good enough. When the PS4 is released in Europe it will massively outsell xbone.

 

[Steroyd]

Most stores use electronic point of sale systems which send daily (sometimes by the minute - multiple chains like Wal-Mart have real-time stock level info) sales info up to head offices which then get funnelled out to suppliers.

Pretty straightforward really.

Yeah but surely they're undermining their own achievement by not waiting for the full day to be over, it's one aspect I can't comprehend.

 

[kyser73]

I wouldn't be so fast to draw any conclusions just yet, at least not about the European launch. Could be bigger than many are expecting.

This. The assumption the the EU/South America launch will only match NA/Canada might be premature.

 

[Nightengale]

Yeah but surely they're undermining their own achievement by not waiting for the full day to be over, it's one aspect I can't comprehend.

Simple, it means that they most likely don't have enough walk-in stock for the potential sales to be quotable.

Assume they had 1 million pre-orders, and only 100k walk-in stock.

1.1 million is not significant enough over 'more than 1 million' that it makes a difference for PR.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

That's not too hot in the US.PAL is terrible. Was it severely supply constrained?

Have to wait until Monday to find out.

Personally I believe they have just about met their demand levels with this initial shipment, but for the US they will need to keep things going for BF. Outside of the US they need to capitalise on PS4 shortages once it is sold out. If there was a way for them to price-match the PS4 for a short period of time in the run up to Xmas in Europe they could do a significant amount of damage to PS4, especially in the UK where people are impatient.

 

[kyser73]

Yeah but surely they're undermining their own achievement by not waiting for the full day to be over, it's one aspect I can't comprehend.

They've got a number to match Sony and by any yardstick (despite the 'not impressed' comments) shifting 1m+ units of a comparatively niche product, especially one that's been as...troubled as XBone has, is pretty good going.

 

[comedian]

Happy to see that Xbox One has done well. Though it does irk me that they keep saying worldwide when it's only 13 countries.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Good job Microsoft! Good job Sony! Well done to everybody involved.

 

[Nightengale]

They've got a number to match Sony and by any yardstick (despite the 'not impressed' comments) shifting 1m+ units of a comparatively niche product, especially one that's been as...troubled as XBone has, is pretty good going.

There's nothing troubling about the Xbone from an external consumer product perspective.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I'm kinda hoping xbox sales remain strong. Intense competition keeps everyone in line. We have all seen what happens when each console manufacturer gains too much of an upper hand and no one wants that again.

Competition only keeps everyone in line because sales failures prompt corrective action. If the market had not reacted so negatively to the Xbox One DRM in terms of preorders, Microsoft would have felt validated in pursuing more anti-consumer policies. Conversely, companies that have done a better job of providing value and showing respect to consumers should be rewarded with strong sales. We want to side that is pro-consumer rights to gain the upper hand so that the competition will be forced to follow suit. Simply maintaining equilibrium in the market doesn't benefit anyone.

Titanfall is not some savior. At most, it will keep Microsoft's hardware sales steady. The price difference and the fact that it is on PC/360 reduces the effect it will have. Sony seems to have a ton of great software in Q1 of 2014 as well.

It's embarrassing the number of people in the press who talk about Titanfall as if it's the only game that matters. The same people who would chastise us for acting like PS4 has "already won" based on nothing more than it's enormous sales success so far will turn around and talk about how Titanfall is the best game on Next Gen and will solve all Microsoft's problems despite being an unreleased, online-only competitive shooter that's also coming to PC and 360. So while they tell us 1080p versions of Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty aren't worth getting a PS4 to play, somehow Titanfall WILL compel everyone to upgrade.

 

[Imperfected]

For me it is a little rough. I was routing for MS, but it was clear a few months ago that they were not going to win. Maybe they can put some shit together and compete.

If you weren't so easily routed, maybe they could have rallied! Shameful display!

Honestly, this is a perfectly respectable showing. They may has some sales shortfalls compared to their predictions that will cause friction in the boardroom, but it looks like they're going to be able to maintain a sustainable install base for the system if this early indicator stays true for the future demand.

I mean, I know "sustainable install base" isn't exactly what Microsoft wanted to hear going into this generation, but after as much fumbling as they've done in the last few months they should be pretty proud to come out of this with the brand intact. There was definitely a while there where things looked dicey, and for the moment at least I think we can put any concerns of a mass rejection of the X-Box One aside; it may not outsell the PS4, it may not even meet internal sales targets, but it should at least sell enough to sustain game development for it moving forward.

 

[DBT85]

Have to wait until Monday to find out.

Personally I believe they have just about met their demand levels with this initial shipment, but for the US they will need to keep things going for BF. Outside of the US they need to capitalise on PS4 shortages once it is sold out. If there was a way for them to price-match the PS4 for a short period of time in the run up to Xmas in Europe they could do a significant amount of damage to PS4, especially in the UK where people are impatient.

This is where next week is going to be interesting. They know the UK is the only market in the EU where they really have to fight MS, so making sure they have supply there is important.


I hope they shipped enough to the EU to break the 1m mark. But not all of us have access to that kind of data.

 

[kyser73]

There's nothing troubling about the Xbone from an external consumer product perspective.

So who is buying on D1 for both consoles? The core, or the average Joe & Josephine? The core will be well aware of the twists and turns of the XBone journey PR wise (and that has indeed been troubled - unless you're about to deny 9 months worth of dreadful PR), the mainstream consumer, no.

 

[Ensirius]

Crazy numbers all around.

This is good for all gamers.

 

[Neff]

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I find this hard to believe.

I don't see why. Despite MS' near-suicide over the wisely-abolished DRM agenda, they do have a very large, loyal fanbase. And for those in the know, it does have better software than PS4.

 

[Theecliff]

Competition only keeps everyone in line because sales failures prompt corrective action. If the market had not reacted so negatively to the Xbox One DRM in terms of preorders, Microsoft would have felt validated in pursuing more anti-consumer policies. Conversely, companies that have done a better job of providing value and showing respect to consumers should be rewarded with strong sales. We want to side that is pro-consumer rights to gain the upper hand so that the competition will be forced to follow suit. Simply maintaining equilibrium in the market doesn't benefit anyone.

Good point - I was just thinking about this before and this pretty much sums it up well. 'We need both consoles to do well to maintain a healthy industry' is a very silly way to think about things.

 

[deputyspade]

Why does it need a savior? Sounds like it is doing well.

Day 1 sales are hardly indicative of future success. Most of the 1m sales were the hardcore fanboy base and resellers, same goes for PS4. I would be shocked if the xb1 continued to sell that well in the coming months, especially priced higher than its main competitor(s). It equivalent to about $660 USD in the UK and Europe, but has fewer features than American market is getting. History has shown us that the more expensive console does not sell as well as the cheaper options.

 

[mrklaw]

Good thing Xbox One has Titanfall this March, or MS would be royally fucked.

People really shouldn't be putting all of their eggs in one basket.

 

[satam55]

PS4

Nov 15th
NA
US
Canada

Nov 29th
EU/PAL
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Spain
Sweden
UK

LA
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
El Salvador
Guatemala
Mexico
Panama
Peru

December
Asia/ME
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Singapore
Taiwan
UAE

Feb 22nd
Japan


XB1

Nov 22nd
Australia
Austria
Brazil
Canada
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Spain
UK
US
NZ

And nothing else before 2014, no real details so far AFAIK.

That December/pre-Japan release date list for PlayStation 4 is incomplete. You forgot countries like India, South Africa, Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Middle eastern countries, South East Asia region, & etc.

 

[keit4]

The biggest problem for MS are the shortages. It doesn't matter if they launched the console in 13 countries if the supply they have is much less than the supply for PS4.

 

[Vizzeh]

Good news for MS + gaming/competition in General

I am looking forward to Europes PS4 release + then Japan/Asia. I still Dont think Xbox will get close to PS4 numbers even if they had them available, production is slow on them so it may hurt them further.

 

[mrklaw]

Yield issues confirmed? I thought MS will have big shipment next week for black friday, but here Phil Harrison saying that it will be hard getting Xbox One until Christmas. This looks bad.

A lot depends on when both MS and Sony started production, and what that production rate is. Assuming both will allocate most of the current production to the launch, any restocks relies on a decent production capacity. If MS started later but have better production, then they could be able to restock better (plus only covering 13 markets makes that easier). Or vice versa.

The next couple of weeks will be informative. What stock will Sony have for RoW launch, and how quickly can both MS and Sony restock? That can give us some idea of likely production capacity.

Might also be interesting to see if either side starts airfreighting units in.

 

[Vizzeh]

A lot depends on when both MS and Sony started production, and what that production rate is. Assuming both will allocate most of the current production to the launch, any restocks relies on a decent production capacity. If MS started later but have better production, then they could be able to restock better (plus only covering 13 markets makes that easier). Or vice versa.

The next couple of weeks will be informative. What stock will Sony have for RoW launch, and how quickly can both MS and Sony restock? That can give us some idea of likely production capacity.

Might also be interesting to see if either side starts airfreighting units in.

MS said stocks will be low but they are doing everything they can to meet demand = Production is slow, we also can read between the lines and guess this is why they are only launching in 13 countries, we can also surmising why production is low, have known unofficially for a while that its Die yeilds, some see that as a negative word but its just a fact of life it takes longer to make.

Maybe they can use this as a Hype meter, demand isnta bad thing. The ordinary consumer does know care about yeilds or production time, only that they cant get it, so possibly assume everyone wants 1 so little supply.

 

[Marauder Shields]

Crazy numbers all around.

This is good for all gamers.

It's sad that a lot of fanboys don't realize this.

 

[Hindle]

MS Selling 1m+ at the price they're at is impressive. It shows the brand has power, now to see how the coming months turn out.

 

[EVIL]

Game industry crash talk appeared 2/3 years ago when EA started to kill tons of studio.
Nothing to do with Wii U being the worst console of gaming history.

I can think up quite a few who are way way way worse.

 

[oconnomiyaki]

You're looking at the broadest genre in the narrowest way, just comparing the top selling franchise isnt a worthwhile metric, even moreso when one is online multiplayer focused. People will freely pick and choose JRPGs to buy while they'll all pile on one or two FPS because everyone is playing that one and they want to play together and no-one wants to play a multiplayer game when the online is already dead

What? In four years Final Fantasy XIII couldn't even do worldwide what Black Ops II did it in a month in one country. Are you really trying to argue for JRPGs being a mainstream genre?

JRPGs, with exceptions, will be on PS4. But given that most of the world could care less about that genre, it's impact as exclusives (from both cause and effect) will be irrelevant.

Again, if you like JRPGs, get a PS4. You are a dying breed, though, and you all need to admit it.

 

[puzl]

could care less

Couldn't.

Again, if you like JRPGs, get a PS4. You are a dying breed, though, and you all need to admit it.

Actually, if you like JRPG's, then you'd get a portable unit like a 3DS, since this is what the Japanese market plays the most. There is a reason the PS4 is launching last in Japan: less and less people are using dedicated consoles to play games over there. It's all about the portable market.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Pretty impressive for a system selling a hundred dollars higher than its more greatly hyped competition and having been as beaten to death (like Tyler Durden Fight Club'ing himself) over the last six to eight months as it has been. Competition is still possible between these systems, after all.

 

[B_Boss]

The biggest problem for MS are the shortages. It doesn't matter if they launched the console in 13 countries if the supply they have is much less than the supply for PS4.

Hell I'm actually concerned for Sony's stock.....they have a goddamn ton of countries to release the PS4 in wow lol.....I truly hope they can meet demand.

 

[CozMick]

Pretty impressive for a system selling a hundred dollars higher than its more greatly hyped competition and having been as beaten to death (like Tyler Durden Fight Club'ing himself) over the last six to eight months as it has been. Competition is still possible between these systems, after all.

Once the 29th hits I honestly cant see where the competition is from Sonys perspective.

 

[kurbaan]

Pretty impressive for a system selling a hundred dollars higher than its more greatly hyped competition and having been as beaten to death (like Tyler Durden Fight Club'ing himself) over the last six to eight months as it has been. Competition is still possible between these systems, after all.

its good but until we know how many it sold just in NA or until Sony launches in Europe can't really compare.

 

[Leonsito]

This generation is going to be insane, if both machines manage to get close sales-wise, they will be start to throw free things to users, nicee.

 

[DigitalDevilSummoner]

Again, if you like JRPGs, get a PS4. You are a dying breed, though, and you all need to admit it.

you do realize you have a pokemon avatar?

 

[NotLiquid]

Considering the territories it launched in I'm not sure whether 1 million is impressive or could have been better considering the circumstances. Seems like a good start at first glance though.

Should be interesting to see if it pans out alright.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Once the 29th hits I honestly cant see where the competition is from Sonys perspective.

its good but until we know how many it sold just in NA or until Sony launches in Europe can't really compare.

Who cares about the exact difference at this moment? The fact is that it isn't a bomb and Sony's not going to dominate alone with no real competition to keep them giving and honest. No runaway console monopoly in sight, basically. So, I feel that this is very good news, all things considered.

 

[Brown Intruder]

Loving my xb1... And the games

Ryse is good (say what you want)
Dead rising I have barely scratched the surface and am waiting to do co-op
64 player battlefield last night was amazing (720p barely crossed my mind)
forza I downloaded and am saving that treat til later to play
Double helix have made crows an endangered species with ki .... What a game

 

[Brown Intruder]

Who cares about the exact difference at this moment? The fact is that it isn't a bomb and Sony's not going to dominate alone with no real competition to keep them giving and honest. No runaway console monopoly in sight, basically. So, I feel that this is very good news, all things considered.

Wow it is rare to see people who actually get it..

Nice post

 

[DigitalDevilSummoner]

Considering the territories it launched in I'm not sure whether 1 million is impressive or could have been better considering the circumstances. Seems like a good start at first glance though.

Should be interesting to see if it pans out alright.

I wouldn't say it's the number of territories, it's that Sony did really well in Xbox's home base.

 

[kurbaan]

Who cares about the exact difference at this moment? The fact is that it isn't a bomb and Sony's not going to dominate alone with no real competition to keep them giving and honest. No runaway console monopoly in sight, basically. So, I feel that this is very good news, all things considered.

well it was never going to be a bomb. Even I gave said previously this will sell a million world wide.

I don't really care much for all this even out the industry. Even if one generation is a monopoly as long as the there are competitors for the next one is all that matters. PS2 was a massive monopoly and the best generation.

 

[~~Hasan~~]

Aren't PS4 and XO now the two fastest day 1 selling consoles ever?

ps4 yes.

xbox one.. not sure. because it was sold in 12 or 13 regions.

you have to look at ps2 /ps3 / xbox 360 sales in those regions day one and compare them to xbox one sales to know if its or not.

but to sell 1 million in 13 regions isn't really impressive. thats like 80/90k in each region.

 

[Winterfang]

Does the PS4 have a single JRPG out? I don't think it even has Japanese titles yet.

The Only Next Gen JRPG's that I can think of are Final Fantasy 14 and Kingdom Hearts 3 and both of those are also available on Xbox One. Neither would I call a JRPG machine.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

well it was never going to be a bomb. Even I gave said previously this will sell a million world wide.

I don't really care much for all this even out the industry. Even if one generation is a monopoly as long as the there are competitors for the next one is all that matters. PS2 was a massive monopoly and the best generation.

Eh, I personally disagree about PS2 being the best gen, but that's okay, man, different strokes 'n all. I very much disagree about there being anything good about a one-console domination, but it does make it easier for the single console owner who chooses it, no doubt.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Does the PS4 have a single JRPG out? I don't think it even has Japanese titles yet.

The Only Next Gen JRPG's that I can think of are Final Fantasy 14 and Kingdom Hearts 3 and both of those are also available on Xbox One. Neither would I call a JRPG machine.

Tales has been announced.

 

[Leonsito]

ps4 yes.

xbox one.. not sure. because it was sold in 12 or 13 regions.

you have to look at ps2 /ps3 / xbox 360 sales in those regions day one and compare them to xbox one sales to know if its or not.

but to sell 1 million in 13 regions isn't really impressive. thats like 80/90k in each region.

Spain is about the 4th market in that list, and there must be about 15k-20k X1 allocated. The 80% of this sales must be for US + UK .